You could do Field of Glory (FoG) starter packs. I've not tried using 10mm. but I have seen Napoleonic FoG-n competitions and they looked great using a 40mm. wide x 30mm. deep base.
Instead of 8 Infantry or 3 Cavalry per base using 15mm figures.
Using 10mm. figures you will have 12 Infantry or 5 to 6 Cavalry per base.
Ancient, Medieval, and Renaissance with a little effort and watching some games a lot of gamers will try them. you only have to see 6mm figures to see the mass effect.
A 800 AP army in ancients can around £120.00 in 15mm. and a starter army around £90.00
Phil Steele has already produced the Battle of Zama on a 2 feet square table using DBA rules and those elephants looked great.
I'll admit that I am still a novice FoG player. I am building all my armies for the game in 10mm with Pendraken.
I am doing fine with the existing models and starter armies (whatever game they are for).
Although I would have loved it a few years ago... :-[
It's something we've chatted about a few times, but once you start down this route it can be a long road! If we do armies for Field of Glory, then people will want them for DBA, Black Powder, F&F, etc, etc. The previous armies we've done, like the Warmaster ones, didn't sell too well, so we dropped them in the end. With us adding more rules to our own catalogue, we'll be developing and adding more army packs suited to our own rules.
As always though, if people have got an army list they want to fill, put some catalogue codes on it, drop it over to us and we'll sort out the figures for you.
8)
I hate Field of Glory.
Ditto Leman.
Played these lamentable rules for a couple of years and really tried to like them. Half way through one game the anvil dropped with a clang. I've not played a game of FoG since.
Sounds like me with DBR at the end. More and more time trying to find excuses for what was plain ridiculous.
With FOG we always found the cross referencing chart with all the factors on very confusing.
They seem quite popular, but I can't say we enjoyed them. Apparently they work better for the Renaissance and Nappies versions but I'm disinclined to bother trying them (although Madaxeman Tims' battle reports are always amusing!).
We switched to Impetus and really like them. If prepacked armies weren't so much work I'd suggest prepacked "Basic Impetus" armies from Pendraken!
I am a big fan of Impetus too and 10mm is a great scale to play it in. Having said that I am playing a 28mm game of Romans v Gauls on Sunday, but most of my armies are in 10mm (and 6mm).
I like fogr...
FOG R does work for the later periods
The best thing I did for FoG or FoGR was to take copies of the POA tables and black out everything that won't apply to our period. Like elephants; they just never made it into TYW.
After the relatively few games we've played, things go much quicker without having to track through all those needless modifiers. 8)
I used to own a spar convenience store. But I've been a salesman for 50years and the rules are the same no matter what you're selling.
Pendraken sells army packs at £28 also their own rules/army packs.
DBA 3 is a good set of rules and would be a good way of doing army packs, but you would have to work at it because it doesn't say in the rules, "how to base 10mm. Figures for DBA", because your pack size is in figures is 30 inf. or 15 cav. There is over supply of figures for what are essentially operational level games.
Thirty figure packs fit battalion level games, not the new game rules where where the basic manoeuvre unit is a brigade fortunately ACW Fire and Fury, also Napoleonic Age of Eagles and FoG-n will fit in fact most horse and musket and. Pike and shot games will work wth little figure fig wastage.
When we get to ancient and medieval rules that cover big battles, DBA, DBM and DBMM they don't have battalions.
The element or base is the basic unit, so take a Seleucid Army, (Book 2 list 19 for DBMM).
CinC a single element wedge say 5 figurines (this is a chance to make this like your paint comp winners)
Companions wedge x 2 elements
Agema wedge x 2elements Catafracts
Sub Gen. Same as above x2
Sub Gen. Foot pike to lead the phalanx or Argyraspids (silver shields)
Line cavalry x 12 bases 60 figures
Tarentines x 4 bases light horse 12 figures
Horse Archers 3 bases 9 figures
Greek Peltasts 8 bases 24 figures
scythed chariots 4 bases 8 chariots (these really look good)
Cretan archers 4bases 12 figures
Asiatic archers 1 base per 4 bases of pike
pikepisidian Tribesmen light infantry 8 bases 24 figures
Kappadokians irregular auxiliaries 6 bases 24 figures
Elephants
Camels
Bolt shooters
Camp
Loaded wagons
Pack Camels
Ditch and palisade
Drystone wall
Of course this applies to any Macedonian and Soccessor Army with various alterations
Like I said, catering to modern needs can be difficult and needs some work
Quote from: toxicpixie on 06 March 2015, 12:06:41 PM
We switched to Impetus and really like them. If prepacked armies weren't so much work I'd suggest prepacked "Basic Impetus" armies from Pendraken!
You could offer the free impetus rules printed out for any one who buys an army at the shows you go to.
I use DBMM because I can get a game almost any time with the MAWS Manchester club.
Where I live there is only the wings club and they seem to be blood bowl or WWII gamers.
I've not played impetus but there seems to be a lot of supplements but like you say the basic game is free and I can afford that
I'd suggest giving Basic a try - it's like the DBA equivalent and has all the basic mechanics and armies. The main rules are "deeper" (more options, more depth but no more complex) and play larger games (although you can double up easily with multiple Basic armies!). One thin with the extra books is that you only need the ones you actually fancy the armies/period for :)
There's quite a few lists in the main rules anyway, and there also a shedload of "official beta lists" on the site to plunder too :)
Quote from: Dragoon on 06 March 2015, 09:10:04 PM
I used to own a spar convenience store. But I've been a salesman for 50years and the rules are the same no matter what you're selling.
Pendraken sells army packs at £28 also their own rules/army packs.
DBA 3 is a good set of rules and would be a good way of doing army packs, but you would have to work at it because it doesn't say in the rules, "how to base 10mm. Figures for DBA", because your pack size is in figures is 30 inf. or 15 cav. There is over supply of figures for what are essentially operational level games.
Thirty figure packs fit battalion level games, not the new game rules where where the basic manoeuvre unit is a brigade fortunately ACW Fire and Fury, also Napoleonic Age of Eagles and FoG-n will fit in fact most horse and musket and. Pike and shot games will work wth little figure fig wastage.
When we get to ancient and medieval rules that cover big battles, DBA, DBM and DBMM they don't have battalions.
The element or base is the basic unit, so take a Seleucid Army,
<big snip>
Of course this applies to any Macedonian and Soccessor Army with various alterations
Like I said, catering to modern needs can be difficult and needs some work
Dragoon, as Leon said above
Quote from: Leon on 06 March 2015, 01:31:12 AM
As always though, if people have got an army list they want to fill, put some catalogue codes on it, drop it over to us and we'll sort out the figures for you.
8)
This means that all you need to tell Leon is what figure code you want to use for each element and how many figures per element and they will happily work through the army list and bag up a special army pack just for you.
Those of us who have been around here a while know how good the Pendraken service is and will happily ask for two different sizes on guns with crew from a different pack or other even more bizarre combinations. This contrasts with a lot of other suppliers but I suspect Leon and Dave don't realise how unexpectedly good this service is.
This is something that should be made clearer on the website for Pendraken newbies,
QuoteEach pack contains: 30 foot or 15 cavalry or 3 guns unless otherwise shown,
orders for part packs are very welcome, please email...
(Can someone wake up the preview hamster again >:( )
Quote from: paulr on 07 March 2015, 02:26:05 AM
I suspect Leon and Dave don't realise how unexpectedly good this service is.
This is something that we should keep very quiet about in case Leon and Dave realise and up their very reasonable prices to compensate.
Fixed it for you :)
I think we got away with it I don't think they noticed .... o centurionem totum ... Hello Leon ... writing? ... me? ... err .... just "Romanes Eunt Domus" :)
Now do it a hundred times or I'll cut your balls off ;)
What prompted my FoG posts was a conversation with someone at a show last year(Derby) he wanted to do FoG rather than DBMM (my favourite) he couldn't work out a list because the lists gave a definition but not a picture.
He wanted to take and paint, not wait for an order so I told him to buy an army book from Caliver pick an army and go to Essex stand because they did starter armies. But he wanted 10mm.
So I told him to go to magister Militum because he caries a full range with him.
Good.
Fast.
Cheap.
Pick two!
Pendraken's system works for me. But then my lead mountain is so vast I may be affecting the spin of the planet! On the other hand I'm never out of things to paint.
I can see an increase in 10mm. Use in DBA DBMM and FoG armies because of cost, ease of painting but to get this purchasing bonus you have to realise that when a gamer see's an army on the table say late roman, he wants to look at the list write it down and buy the figures.
If he waits till he gets home he'll look at this immense lead pile, look out some legionaries and start painting. Once he's painted 3 dozen legionaries the rest is easy and he'll stay with 15mm.
I've done that with Brits and Prussians.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 07 March 2015, 06:43:46 PM
Good.
Fast.
Cheap.
Pick two!
Pendraken's system works for me. But then my lead mountain is so vast I may be affecting the spin of the planet! On the other hand I'm never out of things to paint.
Agreed. PD may not be the fastest, they aren't that slow either, but their customer service is
EXCEPTIONAL