After turning the idea over in my head for a few days, it transipres that the old-style sci-fi battle armour troopers make pretty good 'Spehs Mareen' proxies with a bit of work. Who'da thunk it? Now I'm out to reclaim a bit of my youth with a little 10mm rogue trader era gaming.
Here's a commander that I converted from the pointing pose (WIP - I'll be sharpening up the details on the pistol, and then calling him finished):
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-pir1oOhAMjE/VO-I-pbS4BI/AAAAAAAACys/tPfncEc9lqk/w407-h543-no/upload_-1)
...And here's a mk VI 'womble' marine to show that not everything has to be quite so intensive on the converting front (I think the helmet came out a little too big, but I still like how it turned out):
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RsI0OP9ztzY/VO-gwiBSPGI/AAAAAAAACzQ/LNX3THFZsEE/w407-h543-no/upload_-1)
Having spent some time perusing the old sci-fi range, I have found easy solutions for pretty much every troop type except scouts (rogue trader-era, so puffy sleeves and mohawks are the key imagery for them) and terminators.
If anybody has any suggestions for models that would be good as the basis for either of these, I would love to hear them. So far, I'm considering the new power armoured model for terminators, if it is a little larger than the old battle armour guys, and I am at a complete mental standstill finding ideas for the scouts. The old unarmoured marines are the obvious choice, but it would be difficult to arm them with pistols and knives, so suggestions for a more varied range/pack would be great.
Thanks in advance guys!
Awesome work; a real blast from the past to see Womble marines again ;)
Brilliant work! Very, very impressive indeed!
For scouts, have you considered the officer from the English Civil War range - EC 19 - Scots Foot Command? Might work as a basis for them.
An impressive debut post =D>
Welcome :-h
Good job, they look really good. :)
Welcome to the forum, Atavus. :-h
Damn fine work ! :-bd
Lovely finish on the wee men.....You've obviously done this before.
Cheers - Phil
Welcome on board and those are GREAT conversions! Well done.
Keep it up
Welcome
IanS
gorgeous! well done. :-bd
Great work,but look out for the cease & desist,or a job offer,on minimum wage of course.
Very nice. I love the term 'Womble Marines', never heard it before. (Shelterd upbringing in the historical field you understand.)
Quote from: Subedai on 27 February 2015, 02:43:52 PM
(Sheltered upbringing in a field you understand.)
Must be a tad cold, thought you might at least have a Yurt.
IanS
BLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH WIBBBBBLE
Wow! That's a lot of responses in a short time! Thank you all for the kind words and welcomes. :)
Thanks for the scout tip, Ithoriel. That ECW officer certainly has potential. Love the default pose, and it also has the advantage of being open enough to convert into a guy wielding any sort of weapon (he's even wearing carapace armour already). Using ECW models never crossed my mind, but you've got me thinking now...
I have indeed done this sort of thing before, Techno. This year will mark 28 years in the wargaming hobby for me. Mostly spent converting and painting, but the sculpting is something that has really developed over the last few years. Praise from a sculptor like yourself is a high accolade for me indeed.
Oh, and a C&D or minimum wage job offer, Jc? I don't know which one would be more intimidating, but I guess either one would be a kind of sculpting rite of passage!
I'll add updates to this thread as I get more things completed for this project. Currently, there's a flamer conversion waiting for the putty to cure, and then a trip to lead mountain to try and excavate some more of these minis to convert, or ruminate on how rummaging might damage the delicate balance of the lead pile, and start contemplating a fresh order instead.
Quote from: Atavus on 27 February 2015, 04:01:49 PM
Wow! That's a lot of responses in a short time!
Yeah, that happens around here. Comes from not being a ghost town. ;D
Quoteand start contemplating a fresh order instead.
Why contemplate? You know is makes sense. :d
OH...and, yeah i'll add my tupenny bit to the chorus of approval. Excellent womble. Oldhammer rocks. m/
the Pendraken Dark Elves have very puffy sleeves. In fact, they look to have come from Renaissance Italy.
Quote from: ianrs54 on 27 February 2015, 03:58:54 PM
Must be a tad cold, thought you might at least have a Yurt.
IanS
BLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH WIBBBBBLE
Quick rant:
They are not yurts for the Mongols, they are gers. Yurt is a Turkic word for more of a semi-permanent dwelling that can be dismantled and moved whereas gers are as nomadic as their owners.
Sorry, gets me every time.
Quote from: Subedai on 27 February 2015, 07:04:40 PM
Quick rant:
They are not yurts for the Mongols, they are gers. Yurt is a Turkic word for more of a semi-permanent dwelling that can be dismantled and moved whereas gers are as nomadic as their owners.
Sorry, gets me every time.
The truth yurts :D
Top work fella!
Definitely look forward to seeing more of your work, Atavus.
Thought you were one of my 'colleagues' playing silly b's to start with. ;)
Really top notch stuff ! :-bd
Cheers - Phil.
Superb!!
I did something similar some years ago but a million miles away from your quality. I used pendraken figures too (old range of american civil war and a pikemen for the orc).
still have a bunch of converted space orcs without painting
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/warmaster%2040K/spacemarineandspaceork.jpg)
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/warmaster%2040K/spacemarineandspaceorkback.jpg)
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/warmaster%2040K/marineattempt.jpg)
Those have come out wonderfully, J.
Cheers - Phil
Top work
Wow, ACW to the 41st Millennium via the green stuff portal.
Brilliant work :-bd
Nice stuff JChaos79. I like how the ACW soldier's coat is made to look like tassets. I can't get enough of that sort of thinking!
Here's my latest update (and probably my last for a while until I make my next order). One flamer marine:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BDJTyEij4eI/VPG7AjK-wsI/AAAAAAAAC1I/IvyX3-YaVNg/w407-h543-no/upload_-1)
And one bolter marine:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2nykKwrxzfk/VPG69b8qF8I/AAAAAAAAC1A/PhcGmDdrJMI/w407-h543-no/upload_-1)
I've been checking out your Dark Elves as scout proxies, Leman, and they could also look the part with a little work. I'm also looking at the colonists in space suits as an option. I'll probably end up ordering a pack of ECW, Dark Elves and colonists to try out (or maybe mix and match).
Superb, crisp, finish again, Atavus.
Cheers - Phil
wow, great flamer!
Cannot wait to see this lot finished and painted; lovely job :-bd
Nice work, the pair of you =D>
Loan Womble Marine at your service, maybe to old for front line action tho
Take care
Andy
Yay! You sound like just the sort of recruit we need, Womble :)
I didn't get this guy finished in time to enter the painting competition, but having decided on a chapter (the Lamenters), I couldn't wait to get my first model painted up. So here he is:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Q2OfRejIH4c6b_O66DbJupWylUxyZW0Kg6zUCCk823A=w407-h543-no)
At this size, the paint job has shown up the imperfections in the sculpt, but in real life, I think it looks fine. But then I would, woudn't I?
No imperfections where I'm sitting; you can paint as well as sculpt :-bd
Yellow is always a difficult color! and the result is perfect. Well done!
are you sculpting and paint for pleasure or do you have a ruleset to use the new old marine?
Quote from: jchaos79 on 01 March 2015, 08:58:59 AM
Yellow is always a difficult color! and the result is perfect. Well done!
are you sculpting and paint for pleasure or do you have a ruleset to use the new old marine?
It is but I'd really recommend vallejo extra opaques; they give a completely solid base coat before using weaker colours. :)
Thanks for the comments, chaps. You're going to make me blush :-[
I have to agree, yellow is tough to get right. I try to treat it like white, and not go too heavy with the main colour. Not tried the Vallejo extra opaques before, Getagrip. They sound interesting. What is the consistency like on yours: thick like the old GW foundation paints or more fluid?
JChaos79, I'll be using a number of rulesets as this project develops according to how many models I get painted. To start with, I'll try the Fivecore rules, then, when I get a bit more variety in my force, a warband for In The Emperor's Name (ITEN) will be fun. After that the 5150 range of games beckons, until finally I have enough figures to get in a game of 40k (in the spirit of nostalgia, I'll probably start with revisiting the Rogue Trader edition of the rules, but end up playing one of the modern versions in order to get more opponents). It will be a while before I get to the bigger games, though, since I'll have to convert and paint both the Lamenters and their opposition. Speaking of which, do you have any more pictures of your Ork conversions please?
Quote from: Atavus on 01 March 2015, 11:33:01 AM
I have to agree, yellow is tough to get right. I try to treat it like white, and not go too heavy with the main colour. Not tried the Vallejo extra opaques before, Getagrip. They sound interesting. What is the consistency like on yours: thick like the old GW foundation paints or more fluid?
They're not as thick as GW foundation paints, slightly thicker than ordinary Vallejo Game Colour (can't comment on other Vallejo as I only use Game Colour) but only slightly.
They really cover black and allow a brilliant foundation for lighter colours (sound like a bloody advert don't I :-[)
I would add this though; there's nothing wrong with your yellow, cracking paint job ;)
Quote from: Atavus on 01 March 2015, 03:07:57 AM
Yay! You sound like just the sort of recruit we need, Womble :)
:D
By the way I love your sculpting excellent work.
Take care
Andy
Hi,
here it goes (hope you get something worth of it)
Warning: my scultp is not good, so you need some imgaination, I trust that the paint could do the magic. The figures are only one step "convert" so it is needed more details but maybe could give you some ideas.
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/DSCF4152_zps8viycc3r.jpg)
Maybe the most interesting are (from left to right)
- Inquiistor using a jenizar bowmen
- Ork wierd boyz
- Ork boyz with stick grande
- Ork boz with laser gun
- Orkboyz with bolter (front)
- Ork with power claw (back)
- Orkboyz terminator need to be modeled the arms
- Ork flamer
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/DSCF4153_zpsn1papytf.jpg)
here is a close up of te inquisitor
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/DSCF4154_zpspoko4jpg.jpg)
Troublemaker had (now sadly discontinued) a great figures for Imperial guard 10mm and (available) some gretchings 10mm
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=6584.0
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=5919.0
Pendraken WWI and WWII also have some vehicles really suitable with some conversion for rogue trader 40k , i.e. for ork wagons
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=6456.0
rest of catalogue for searching ideas
http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=4118.0
About my first ork
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/warmaster%2040K/spaceork.jpg)
was made of the kneeling pikemen
http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ELM9-p2847/
now some generic sci fi guys
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/warmaster%2040K/Guard.jpg) (http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/warmaster%2040K/mercenary.jpg) (http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/warmaster%2040K/soldier.jpg) (http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/warmaster%2040K/soldiers.jpg)
Hope it helps !
Let me recommend you Future war Commander, and do not forget to post your battle reports !
Looking forward to see more excellent work!
regards
Thanks JChaos79, you've given me lots of inspiration! Looks like the ACW models are very versatile, and I seem to remember at least one Blood Axe model wearing something that resembled an ACW uniform, so maybe not much conversion needed there :)
I'm going for an old school look, so the models you've used will make a great base for the more human-proportioned Orks of my youth. I'll give some thought to Future War Commander, heard good things about it, but I'll need to get a lot more models made before then!
Who'd have thought you could use ACW for Spacey Marine conversions :o
Great work ;)
This thread just shows the versatility of both the figures and peoples imaginations. Well done all, this is developing into an interesting thread.
Crazy thing is I likje SciFi but have no interest in 40K or it's many derivatives and offspring.
Quote from: getagrip on 01 March 2015, 08:29:48 AM
No imperfections where I'm sitting; you can paint as well as sculpt :-bd
Atavus stunning conversions, wonderfull! My compliments ;)
Excellent stuff Atavus
Why don't you do a dozen or so conversions then get a mould made of them (Leon has done this for customers in the past* look up Vulpine's Dr Who stuff on the forum). You can then get cast a reasonable force a lot quicker than converting every single model.
*not sure if it still possible though but might be worth enquiring.
Quote from: Matt of Munslow on 02 March 2015, 06:46:18 PM
Why don't you do a dozen or so conversions then get a mould made of them (Leon has done this for customers in the past* look up Vulpine's Dr Who stuff on the forum). You can then get cast a reasonable force a lot quicker than converting every single model.
It's not really something we'd be looking to do at the moment, we've just got too many jobs on for other folks, especially on the moulding side.
Just a thought on FWC and numbers of figures - it has a skirmish amendments section which might work well for not-40k, and would require fairly limited numbers of troops (esp. If Space Marines get te stats the fluff deserves ;)).
Quote from: Subedai on 01 March 2015, 08:05:49 PM
Crazy thing is I likje SciFi but have no interest in 40K or it's many derivatives and offspring.
That's not so crazy, Subedai. To each their own. I was indoctrinated at an early stage of my wargaming life with 40k (it was the first wargame I ever played), so there is always going to be something special about the game and background to me, even though I've moved on to other genres of game since. Not so keen on the direction that the latest version has gone, though.
Quote from: Matt of Munslow on 02 March 2015, 06:46:18 PM
Excellent stuff Atavus
Why don't you do a dozen or so conversions then get a mould made of them (Leon has done this for customers in the past* look up Vulpine's Dr Who stuff on the forum). You can then get cast a reasonable force a lot quicker than converting every single model.
*not sure if it still possible though but might be worth enquiring.
I know that Leon has already answered, but I would also be worried about putting Pendraken in the crosshairs of the GW IP hitmen. If memory serves, I think it's okay for me to convert models for my own use, but don't things get a bit dodgy when casting is involved? Great idea, though Matt. Would certainly save me a lot of effort!
Okay, that's me sold on FWC, Toxicpixie! I was teetering on the edge, but now that I know there's a suitable skirmish game tucked away in the rules, it's on my purchase list for the project.
Having converted all the old battle armour guys I could lay my hands on, I've ordered some more, and started preparing the contents of an alien creatures army to proxy as Tyranids for the Lamenters to fight (I'm not going to convert them, but just do the obvious thing and paint them as movie aliens. Don't want to lose momentum with the Lamenters!)
Now to pray that the gods of ebay will bless me with a fine harvest of sheckels to spend on the furtherance of my 10mm addiction...
I reckon a white undercoat, bit of blue detailing (head-shell, odd joints, scales) then a purple ink wash and pick out eyes and teeth/claws and 10mm not-Aliens would be 'Nidded up nicely!
The FWC skirmish amendments are quite "tool boxy" which is good in that you can tweak them however you want but bad in that you may need to tweak them :D
Quote from: Subedai on 27 February 2015, 07:04:40 PM
Quick rant:
They are not yurts for the Mongols, they are gers. Yurt is a Turkic word for more of a semi-permanent dwelling that can be dismantled and moved whereas gers are as nomadic as their owners.
Sorry, gets me every time.
I knew that O:-)
My latest Pendraken order arrived recently, and so, naturally, I couldn't wait to start converting. The colonist to scout conversion idea simply didn't work (because the space suit helmet is so large, the gap between the shoulders is exaggerated , and the scout head looks out of place). But here's something that has worked out. A bit of official opposition for the Lamenters:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Am4l5BqwTmc/VQ7vB2j49lI/AAAAAAAADBQ/V6Txgf6FE1A/s512/IMG_20150322_163345.jpg)
I just need to figure out a few gubbinz for the big shoota, and he's done :)
Very impressive
That's superb =D>
Excellent ! :-bd
Cheers - Phil
Finished! Couldn't resist adding the bucket-like jaw to the model. I think it makes him look a bit bulkier for some reason, which I think is a good thing.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r6MpPBOw05Y/VRBGMtphEwI/AAAAAAAADCs/DG-6sWyYRBU/s512/IMG_20150323_144015.jpg)
And I haven't forgotten the Spehs Mareens:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-neXXMV5Ydxs/VRA-RCxuUBI/AAAAAAAADB8/NITIrqxeZtA/s512/upload_-1.jpg)
I was a bit lazy, using the bolt pistol from a 28mm model, rather than sculpting a heavy bolter from scratch, so it's on the large side, but at least I'll know where the heavy weapons are on the table, eh?
Top sculpts!
They look great, Atavus ! :-bd
Superb job !
Cheers - Phil
Not lazy, clever!
Amazing work :-bd
The orks is superb... and the idea of 28mm bolt pistol for 10mm heavy bolter is great!
Hi Folks! Another assignment deadline looms, but there's always time for a little procrastination:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-4iqf6NSZ5rI/VS5K-EVmwzI/AAAAAAAADGs/DW9wbuDkYzk/w407-h543-no/upload_-1)
There's also a chaplain waiting to be finished off, but I reckon it'll be June before I can look up from my study books for any meaningful length of time :(
Nice work but I'm a little worried.
:(
Quote from: Atavus on 16 April 2015, 08:09:56 PM
There's also a chaplain waiting to be finished off,
Have you got a vicar in the cellar?
Another belter, lovely job. :-bd
Absolutely terrific !
Love it, 'A' !
Cheers - Phil
The mouth/jaws are a exquisite work
Excellent work!
Excellent!!
These are super pieces of work, well done.
Thanks again for all the kind words and encouragement, everybody.
Quote from: fsn on 16 April 2015, 08:11:48 PM
Nice work but I'm a little worried.
:(
Have you got a vicar in the cellar?
Lol. He's not very good for gaming with though, Nobby. Keeps trampling all my carefully painted models by mistake. Hopefully his family will pay the ransom soon, and I can swap him for a 10mm spehs mareen mini instead :)
Speaking of which, here's a quick WIP picture:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-R2LMYiZ5_Io/VS5K7wCeJfI/AAAAAAAADGk/s5jclorkK_o/w407-h543-no/upload_-1)
I did a little tidying up on the model since, and then forgot to take a photo before spraying him with primer (the weather here today has been too good to let the opportunity for a bit of spray priming pass).
Great stuff again, that man !!
Cheers - Phil
Lovely work
That chaplain rocks!
Rogue Trader in 10mm? A dream come true!
Terrific job Atavus m/ keep them coming and share pictures pls
Brilliant...
AGAIN!!! :D
Lovely work. =D>