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Slightly earlier than planned, but Pendraken Miniatures are delighted to announce that we have purchased the rights to the Blitzkrieg Commander family of rulesets from Pete Jones, including Blitzkrieg Commander, Cold War Commander and Future War Commander.
Since its launch in 2004, Blitzkrieg Commander has become the most popular ruleset for gaming WWII in 10mm scale. Pendraken's WWII ranges are the most extensive available on the market, covering 10 nations with over 600 codes, so it made perfect sense to combine these rules with our miniatures.
Cold War Commander was launched in 2006 to cover the post-war period through to the modern day, and with our recent expansion into these areas, it will be great to have a ruleset to accompany these new ranges.
Future War Commander was the final release of the three rulesets, adding a Sci-Fi version to the family. Pendraken have some ranges already in place, but we'd like to work on these in the coming years to really expand and complement this excellent ruleset.
The sale to Pendraken also includes the BKC website and forums as well, including the Battlegroups Online service. For the time being, we will be keeping everything in place as it is, so people will still be able to visit the Blitzkrieg Commander website (http://www.blitzkrieg-commander.com/ (http://www.blitzkrieg-commander.com/)) and enjoy the fantastic resources and forum hosted there.
The rulesets are currently out of print, but over the coming months we will be doing some work on them in preparation for a new print run towards the second half of 2015. Keep checking on either the BKC or Pendraken forums for more news on this as we progress.
For those wanting to purchase the rules in the meantime, we will be keeping the Lulu print-on-demand service up and running for those who are looking to get a hardcopy of any of the three rulesets. Unfortunately the pdf versions will no longer be available through the Blitzkrieg Commander website (due to the new pdf legislation), but they will soon become available through Wargame Vault. Again, keep an eye on either of the forums to hear more news on that.
Finally, all of us at Pendraken Miniatures would like to place on record our thanks to Pete Jones, not only for offering us the fantastic opportunity to acquire these rulesets, but also for the time and effort he has put into growing 10mm as a popular scale for gaming the 20th Century and beyond.
:-bd
Let us know what you think!
Good stuff. It does make sense as for WW2 I think most people used Pendraken minis
I wonder when we will be seeing Pendraken miniatures plc?
Quote from: Fenton on 16 February 2015, 10:27:31 PM
I wonder when we will be seeing Pendraken miniatures plc?
Beginning to look like that isn't it ;)
Quote from: petercooman on 16 February 2015, 10:27:14 PM
Didn't spoil your suprise did i? :-[
A little, but we weren't expecting it on BKC either, we were hoping to do a synchronised announcement later on this month.
Quote from: getagrip on 16 February 2015, 10:30:21 PM
Beginning to look like that isn't it ;)
And then they could start opening shops round the country where you could buy miniatures but obviously only use Pendraken miniatures to play games there
Quote from: Fenton on 16 February 2015, 10:34:42 PM
And then they could start opening shops round the country where you could buy miniatures but obviously only use Pendraken miniatures to play games there
And then pretend no one else makes miniatures...
Quote from: Leon on 16 February 2015, 10:32:03 PM
A little, but we weren't expecting it on BKC either, we were hoping to do a synchronised announcement later on this month.
True that, half of the people frequenting the bkc forum frequent this forum too, so i was just the first of many that would have noticed ;)
Quote from: getagrip on 16 February 2015, 10:35:30 PM
And then pretend no one else makes miniatures...
Other people make miniatures? :o
Quote from: Leon on 16 February 2015, 10:42:43 PM
Other people make miniatures? :o
I would love to comment but I've just been served with a "Cease and Desist" order on behalf of one: D. Arklord, whoever he is. :(
Thanks Leon for finally putting that "cease and desist" on getagrip, i was about to say something uncivil
;D ;D ;D ;D
Introducing 'Warband' rules, revamping the fantasy range, now WW2 and Cold War, also Sci-Fi, my question is simple - What next? :-\
I wonder when Pendraken are planning to move into new premises, perhaps Pendraken are eyeing up a certain place in Lenton, Nottingham. :P
Quote from: Fig.ht on 16 February 2015, 11:01:21 PM
...my question is simple - What next? :-\
A day off!
This lot will be keeping us busy for the next 12 months at least, so we're not taking on any more big projects until we've cleared our plate a little!
Congratulations and best of luck ;)
Having a Pendraken Rules section in the forum now makes more sense
Excellent news Leon! Will we be seeing an expansion to the sci fi ranges?
Quote from: Luddite on 16 February 2015, 11:35:33 PM
Excellent news Leon! Will we be seeing an expansion to the sci fi ranges?
Potentially, we've not got any plans in place just yet. We'll want to go through all 3 rulesets properly and make sure we've got as much as possible for the various army lists. Sci-Fi expansion is certainly a possibility, but it's a case of 'Watch this space' for now.
Have you also aquired the Online Battlegroup bit of software from Pete Leon, cos I use that a lot!!!
Really dont want to see that thing vanish, so heres hoping.
Quote from: GordonY on 17 February 2015, 12:16:56 AM
Have you also aquired the Online Battlegroup bit of software from Pete Leon, cos I use that a lot!!!
Really dont want to see that thing vanish, so heres hoping.
Yep:
Quote from: Leon on 16 February 2015, 10:21:43 PM
The sale to Pendraken also includes the BKC website and forums as well, including the Battlegroups Online service. For the time being, we will be keeping everything in place as it is, so people will still be able to visit the Blitzkrieg Commander website (http://www.blitzkrieg-commander.com/ (http://www.blitzkrieg-commander.com/)) and enjoy the fantastic resources and forum hosted there.
Everything is staying in place for now, and once we've had chance to look at everything we'll work out the best options for the various features on the BKC site. Nothing will get dumped though, so don't worry about any of that.
Great news that a great ruleset is continuing to be supported by a great company. When will you be taking over Games Workshop? When on a roll... :D ;).
Good one Leon and Dave.
"When will you be taking over Games Workshop?"
No, no. no and a thousand times no, we dont want Pendraken producing overpriced plastic and shitecast "collectable miniatures".
BKC is one of my favourite rulesets and is what brought me to Pendraken in the first place to buy miniatures. So I don't think it could be in any better hands.
Thanks
Interesting indeed : I enjoy Blitzkrieg Commander and have a growing collection of Pendraken miniatures , is this a match made in heaven ? I ask myself.
Great to see chaps,
Jerry
Quote from: GordonY on 17 February 2015, 07:27:16 AM
we dont want Pendraken producing overpriced plastic and shitecast "collectable miniatures".
Quote of the Year! ;D ;D ;D
Does this mean that the 2nd Edition CWC will now appear ??
IanS
It's not "a hobby", it's not "THE hobby", it's "the PENDRAKENHOBBY" ;)
Good stuff, more power to the Pendraken elbow :)
Quote from: mad lemmey on 17 February 2015, 07:18:17 AM
Good one Leon and Dave.
Its Leon who deserves the praise :-bd
Dave
Quote from: Dave on 17 February 2015, 11:24:58 AM
Its Leon who deserves the praise :-bd
Dave
All Hail the Dark Lord :-bd
Quote from: Leon on 16 February 2015, 10:21:43 PM
Let us know what you think!
I want to make a pre-order for Blitzkrieg Commander (second edition) please.
I think that sums up my feelings on the news :)
Actually, does that mean 2nd Edition CWC with the BKC style stats will be out quicker, or is it shelved back a bit...
Quote from: RoyWilliamson on 17 February 2015, 12:06:01 PM
I want to make a pre-order for Blitzkrieg Commander (second edition) please.
That ones already out :)
It's great news - it'll be no surprise to anyone that I'm a big BKC/CWC/FWC and Pendraken fan :D
Hadn't been on the BKC Forum for ages as i dont play that often but great to hear the future of the stable is in good hands.
Warlord Games look out!!
Excellent news and a great set of rules
I now have another forum where I can tout FWC Bootcamp
Any chance of branching out into 6mm sci-fi?
Quote from: Shedman on 17 February 2015, 01:46:27 PM
Any chance of branching out into 6mm sci-fi?
Nothing planned!
Quote from: nikharwood on 17 February 2015, 12:40:53 PM
That ones already out :)
It's not in print though, only in .pdf
I missed the chance to buy it when it was and haven't been able to secure a purchase, so far.
I take it Pendraken are talking about actual print edition copies, or is this just going to be virtual software nonsense ... if it is, then cancel my preorder, please.
Quote from: RoyWilliamson on 17 February 2015, 03:46:05 PM
It's not in print though, only in .pdf
I missed the chance to buy it when it was and haven't been able to secure a purchase, so far.
I take it Pendraken are talking about actual print edition copies, or is this just going to be virtual software nonsense ... if it is, then cancel my preorder, please.
You can buy it on Lulu in paperback.
Regards
Edward
Good news indeed.
Quote from: kustenjaeger on 17 February 2015, 04:48:03 PM
You can buy it on Lulu in paperback.
Regards
Edward
Never used Lulu; what's their print quality like?
Great news about BKC, I tried it a few times, they are a really good set of rules. Only problem I had was we tried playing in 3mm my failing old eyes couldnt recognise the different tank models. I still have the rules so a 10mm force could be acquired soon.
Quote from: getagrip on 17 February 2015, 05:32:49 PM
Never used Lulu; what's their print quality like?
Its good ...Was very happy with my copy of GWSH2. On the GWSH forum there were some problems with the scenario book getting printed but I think its sorted now
Quote from: kustenjaeger on 17 February 2015, 04:48:03 PM
You can buy it on Lulu in paperback.
I stand corrected. I beg your pardon, Mr Harwood :)
I honestly thought that lulu was a .pdf seller.
Quote from: Fenton on 17 February 2015, 05:56:30 PM
Its good ...Was very happy with my copy of GWSH2. On the GWSH forum there were some problems with the scenario book getting printed but I think its sorted now
Cool and the gang 8)
well congratulations pendraken I think its excellent news
Take Care
Andy
Blitz Krieg Commander, yes; Cold War Commander, yes; FWC, not a clue. Is it a rude reference to a flush toilet?
Future War Commander, so essentially sci-fi rules. Tried them but didn't like them but love BKCII and hope to see CWCII at some point.
A range of 10mm SF armour, power armour infantry and giant mecha. Colour me interested.
......... and colour me disinterested.
Quote from: Paint it Pink on 18 February 2015, 08:47:51 AM
A range of 10mm SF armour, power armour infantry and giant mecha. Colour me interested.
Well, there's some of that in the SF range. Admittedly not vast amounts.
Edward
I have all four rule sets but haven't played any of them for some time for a whole host of reasons.
They aren't popular amongst club members. Other shiny shiny rule sets came along and hijacked opportunities to get people to play these rules, primarily the Battlegroup Series and now that Big CoC is in circulation BKC has fallen further down the agenda for games.
I've been distracted by lots of other rule-sets and periods that lend themselves better to solo play and the limited time I have available to play too. All three games require quite a bit of pre-game preparation (unless you pay for access to the BG Creator)
Its a real shame as I was involved in the development of BKCII and to a degree CWC and I used to contribute on a serious scale both to the BKC Forum both as a poster but also in writing new lists and regular battle reports.
I still prefer BKC1 to BKC2 but rather stupidly gave away my BKC1 set to a friend abroad. #-o
I didn't particularly enjoy CWC but I think that was the particular period I was playing - Cold War Europe 1970's-80's, however I did enjoy playing actions in the Balkans (the lists on the site are my lists) and CWC was particularly good for the Falklands Conflict
I threw loads of cash at FWC and have Kraytonians, Andrayans, Pax Arcadian, NOT Space Marines, NOT Space Orcs, NOT Space Squats and even an Aliens v Colonial Marines/Predator collection which again I wrote a set of lists for. These are sat gathering dust because the few times I played FWC I thoroughly disliked the way the game played. I drag them out from time to time and put them away soon after for something that takes far less time to set up given having to draw up army lists constantly.
I also found the special rules for specific weapons and the statlines for specific weapons systems overwhelming. I could spend quite a bit of gaming time referring to the rules to check weapon effects....
Will I sell on?
Not at this moment in time. One i don't think I would recoup what I have spent and secondly I'm still hankering to play Cold War and Sci-fi games. a time will no doubt come when they reignite my passion!
I have criticised the Battlegroup Creator and probably a little unfairly - it is a good idea but for me there are a couple of issues:
Having to pay to have unrestricted access on a yearly subscription basis. I bought all four rulesets and this seems unfair to have to pay again for an ongoing full access.
On the battlegroup creator you cant see the weapon/vehicle/unit stats when purchasing elements. Due to the bewlidering array of things in a list this gets very frustrating. It is even more confusing for someone new to the period who doesn't know the difference between a PzIII/PzIV and all the various different weapons these vehicles were equipped with
Hopefully some of these issues will be addressed under the new banner of Team PD
I really do hope the stable is a huge success under Pendraken and I hope it reignites a new host of people to play the games.
I've not minded paying for BGG in full - the cut down free access version runs me fine most of the time, and in those years where we've been playing a lot I'm happy to stump up. It's a really useful extra bit of functionality, above & beyond what the paper (or PDF) books/lists can do. A really neat extra. Free would be nice, but tbh given the development time involved it's a very reasonable amount (IMO) :)
FWC - there's quite a lot of faffing involved, potentially. I try to create armies without too many specials tbh - stick to 3-4 troop types and not overwhelm myself with extra rules. I usually try to sort of theme an army so it's different AND playable. And this has reminded me I really should sort the Brigade Pac-Fed hover tank force I got a couple of years ago!
Like CWC very much - right balance of detail for me - sorry but the minutiae of hardware differences doesn't grab me (and I don't think it greatly affects things at the level the game is set so it works well).
Never really got into BKC before BKCII arrived and that worked for me as well.
Not into SF so I can't comment on the FWC set.
It would be nice if the CWC rules were reprinted with the relevant tweaks from playing experience (but not too many - don't change the basic game) and if more of the figures/vehicles to play it were available from Pendraken!
I still play both BKCII and CWC and would like to see their continued use and development so I am very happy Pendraken has a taken them over if Pete was too stretched to continue. He's done a great job and I expect Pendraken will carry on from him, producing great rules and hopefully tying some of their figure development to them.
Best of luck guys.
About the only thing I want from CWC II is splitting the stats for fire effects into AP and AT (as with BKC II). And making ATGWs either fire per activation (for dedicated stands) or much, much cheaper.
Wait, that's two things.
The two things I want from CWC II are splitting the stats, sorting ATGW fire, and maybe adding the gunship rules from FWC for helicopters.
Argh, no, that's three things...
Shall I go out and come back in again :D
Quote from: toxicpixie on 18 February 2015, 11:28:23 AM
About the only thing I want from CWC II is splitting the stats for fire effects into AP and AT (as with BKC II). And making ATGWs either fire per activation (for dedicated stands) or much, much cheaper.
Wait, that's two things.
The two things I want from CWC II are splitting the stats, sorting ATGW fire, and maybe adding the gunship rules from FWC for helicopters.
Argh, no, that's three things...
Shall I go out and come back in again :D
Dont forget the comfy chair. The recce rules need modifying as do missiles and infantry upgrades. As a for instance a 1980's UK section had 1 Carl Gustav and several M72(66HEAT) issued. Missiles are over pointed, and some (Dragon and Erycx for two) should only be upgrades.
IanS
Eh, I quite like all the various recce rules, tbh - although I think I prefer the FWC era version.
ATGW/Infantry AT - yes, that's what I mentioned above :D I won't go into rehashing any more here, if anyone's interested there's lots over at the BKC forum on it ;)
Congrats Pendraken!
I haven't played much BKC
CWC - I've only played in the Crisis Point 2012 game - see http://twomarshals.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/cwc (http://twomarshals.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/cwc)
FWC - We play this on a regular basis and run the world's only FWC bootcamp weekend http://twomarshals.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/future%20war%20commander (http://twomarshals.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/future%20war%20commander)
I do like that Stargate :)
Am jealous of Bootcamp, my gaming time is too limited for such!
Great news, well done Leon!
So, when will we be seeing CWCII now???
Greetings
Leon mentioned in TMP that, in relation to BKC, "As a minimum we'll be tweaking some of the army lists to better complement our ranges, ...". What are you thinking about here?
I can see adding an entry if there is something Pendeaken makes that is not currently on a list or clearly matching an entry with an existing item in the Pendraken range.
Incidentally one of the things I have had on the back burner for a while is a BKC2 order of battle for Operation Battlaxe in June 1941. It is based on information from Benghazi Handicap but there are a number of things to follow up - and at some point I'll have to look at some war diaries. I also developed a couple of linked scenarios from Operation Crusader in November 1941 but these need play testing (and for me to paint the figures!).
Regards
Edward
Quote from: Texas Jack on 18 February 2015, 01:35:31 PM
So, when will we be seeing CWCII now???
You're probably looking at about 12 months as a rough estimate I'd think. I'm not sure yet if we've got Pete's notes for CWCII, so we'll have a look. I'd imagine that we'll be revamping/relaunching BKC first, as we've already got most of the ranges in place for that one, plus it was on 2nd Ed. so has been given it's tweaks and finetuning already.
CWC will likely be second to be worked on, as we expand our Modern ranges and go through the feedback on the BKC site to make any necessary changes to the rules.
FWC will bring up the rear, as it will need a lot more work on our side of things, as our Sci-Fi ranges aren't currently expansive enough to support the rules.
Quote from: kustenjaeger on 19 February 2015, 11:23:23 AM
Leon mentioned in TMP that, in relation to BKC, "As a minimum we'll be tweaking some of the army lists to better complement our ranges, ...". What are you thinking about here?
I can see adding an entry if there is something Pendraken makes that is not currently on a list or clearly matching an entry with an existing item in the Pendraken range.
At the moment, there's nothing specific planned at all. The opportunity to purchase the BKC range came a little out of the blue, so we had to take advantage of it, but we've got a lot of things on the go here that need to be finished up and released before we've got the time to do anything with BKC/CWC/FWC. The current thinking is this process will begin in the summer, with BKC first in the queue.
As to the army lists, it'll be a variety of things so it's hard to give specifics. It could be something simple, like the Brits have got Leyland trucks listed but we only make a Bedford, so we'd swop them over. Other things might be that there's important items missing from our ranges that need to be added, so we'll put those into the design schedule. (Such as that Pz III that you've requested previously!)
I find all this news very interesting. I use 15mm scale figures to play BKC II (Eastern front). I've been considering scaling down to 6mm since baccus announced that they were working on a new range. In the past, I have considered using Pendraken, but there are too many things missing to commit. I would consider Pendraken again if I start to see some of these holes being filled. One example would be French commanders. Hope this input helps.
Bryan
I have only really played BKC2 and really enjoyed it. It had its quirks, but all rules have them. I played the original BC a couple of times but found the lack of seperate stats for the A/T and AP annoying.
Being a bit of a "Tankophile" I likes the way the combination of number of hits and the save level allowed more differentiation between types than other popular sets such as Rapid Fire.
Our club has a few tweaks we use depending on scenario. The person organising the game decides which if any will be used . ie Can MG's supress tanks in Early War, hits stay on etc.
I played CWC a couple of times and found them ok
The battlegroup Creator was usefull, but had limitations as Nosher has said.
Not wanting to pay for the extended versions I simply used the free ones to create master spreadsheets of all forces avaliable for the particular army/period. I then copied the spreadsheet for a game and edited it to the forces required. This gave me all the stats for a unit I was "purchasing". Print the spreadsheet and thats the QR sheet for the game.
I also managed to download a set of stats for WW1 BKC that has now dissapeared off the webb.
Congrgatulations to Pendraken for aquiring them.
Yes, great news!
any chance of expand the familly with a "wierd war II expansion" or steampunk expansions??
Quote from: jchaos79 on 23 February 2015, 02:15:50 PM
...any chance of expand the familly with a "wierd war II expansion" or steampunk expansions??
We haven't made any plans at all yet, we'll be starting to look at them in the summer and we can make some decisions then about what needs to be done.
8)
I believe some of the members on this forum have an ongoing project for steampunk fwc
http://steampunkfwc.pbworks.com/w/page/32245547/FrontPage
Ongoing is stretching it a bit I think
I've got lots of "ongoing" projects that haven't seen the light of day for well over 4 years
:)
Quote from: Leon on 23 February 2015, 04:44:55 PM
We haven't made any plans at all yet, we'll be starting to look at them in the summer and we can make some decisions then about what needs to be done.
8)
super 8)
Do you consider a "fantasy Commander" or "Mythological Age commander" or "napoleonic commander" or" Roman war commander" ?
I'd have thought Fantasy Commander is Warmaster and Roman War Commander is Warmaster Ancients.
Napoleonic Commander might interest me though.
Quote from: jchaos79 on 27 February 2015, 04:51:48 PM
(...) or" Roman war commander" ?
I read "Ronan war commander" ! :-\
Time to go to bed, after a hard week ;)
Not really, Warmaster is under GW IP and so on.... inside a draw locked by 7 keys so no one can publish nothing related with it. Same as Warmaster Ancient.
But maybe Fantasy commander or Romman war commander or even Ronan War Commander, or Hyperborea Commander or... ;) is free (nor really is from Pendraken) and can be published expansions, camapings, scenarios, ... just a though
jchaos what I really meant was Warmaster and Warmaster Ancients are already done and I'm happy with them. I don't need new rule sets for them. Decent Warmaster-style Napoleonics might be of interest.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 28 February 2015, 01:14:14 AM
jchaos what I really meant was Warmaster and Warmaster Ancients are already done and I'm happy with them. I don't need new rule sets for them. Decent Warmaster-style Napoleonics might be of interest.
If someone wants to do the same for ACW too ;)
In't dat Black Powder.
IanS
Quote from: ianrs54 on 28 February 2015, 08:52:08 AM
In't dat Black Powder.
IanS
Don't know, is it? If it is, I'm interested :)
Hail Ceaser, Pike and Shotte, and Black Powder are all the evolution of the Warmaster system, using a single command roll, and up to 3 moves as the result. For BP you do need to be careful to pick the right "specials", and playing all 3 on a regular basis is confusing because they are very slightly different.
IanS
same author... evollution doesn't mean it is improved (in my opinion)
Quote from: ianrs54 on 28 February 2015, 09:06:18 AM
Hail Ceaser, Pike and Shotte, and Black Powder are all the evolution of the Warmaster system, using a single command roll, and up to 3 moves as the result. For BP you do need to be careful to pick the right "specials", and playing all 3 on a regular basis is confusing because they are very slightly different.
IanS
Specials? Could you explain please please?
Er - buy the rules.
Units get special rules - such as "First Fire" in BP, giving them an extra die the first time the shoot, or Skirmish, Parthian Shot etc...
IanS
Quote from: ianrs54 on 28 February 2015, 12:33:29 PM
Er - buy the rules.
Units get special rules - such as "First Fire" in BP, giving them an extra die the first time the shoot, or Skirmish, Parthian Shot etc...
IanS
Cheers ;)
Looking at rules for ACW at the mo so anything which plays like Warmaster is a bonus.
Hail Caesar, Pike and Shotte, and Black Powder are in my opinion all infinitely better than Warmaster with Pike & Shotte my personal favourite.
Cheers
Ian
Quote from: Sandinista on 28 February 2015, 02:51:13 PM
Hail Caesar, Pike and Shotte, and Black Powder are in my opinion all infinitely better than Warmaster with Pike & Shotte my personal favourite.
Cheers
Ian
Maybe, but if I can find an ACW set which plays in a similar way it won't be too difficult for me to learn.
Black powder works really well for ACW
Quote from: mad lemmey on 28 February 2015, 03:31:44 PM
Black powder works really well for ACW
And that's similar to Warmaster?
Quote from: mad lemmey on 28 February 2015, 03:31:44 PM
Black powder works really well for ACW
I also agree, we all use black powder at the Grimsby Wargames Society http://www.grimsbywargamessociety.com/ for ACW
Take care
Andy
Do they use the Warmaster mechanics?
Quote from: getagrip on 28 February 2015, 04:44:51 PM
Do they use the Warmaster mechanics?
They use similar mechanics to warmaster because is made by Rick priestly. When he was out of GW he had to change his game (warmaster mechanics) to make something similar (what he wants) but rather different to not be a copy of warmaster and have problems with GW.
It is very spread the idea of the "evolution" of warmaster but infact the changes were a must to not be the same product rather than improves of the systems to reapair mechanics. Something that The commander serires ignore taking the same mechanics.
Hail Caesar and other warlord games have command mechanics but only one dice roll per brigade and turn this gives you the chance of make 1 movement or if you are lucky with the roll 3 moves (so you can attack by side)... the spirit is the same the strategy is more random and in my opinion dilute. Warning I am not saying that Hail Caesar, Black Powder, Pike and Shot are not good Games at all... I am just saying that are not warmaster 2.0 superior systems (in my opinion), as I read somewhere in the net.
Units are more flexibles compose of 1, 2 3, or 4 stands.
In hail caesar the units has two profiles, one for the first round of combat and other for the following rounds of combat (sustained combat)... among other changes.
But yes the philosphy is the same as warmaster (same author).
They are presented as being 28mm because warlord sells 28mm. The core of the game is indeed though for little scales (warmaster philosophy again), making a battle of hail ceaser and other warlord games only possible for clubs or group of people with lots of figures and huge tables.
Quote from: jchaos79 on 28 February 2015, 05:12:17 PM
They use similar mechanics to warmaster because is made by Rick priestly. When he was out of GW he had to change his game (warmaster mechanics) to make something similar (what he wants) but rather different to not be a copy of warmaster and have problems with GW.
It is very spread the idea of the "evolution" of warmaster but infact the changes were a must to not be the same product rather than improves of the systems to reapair mechanics. Something that The commander serires ignore taking the same mechanics.
Hail Caesar and other warlord games have command mechanics but only one dice roll per brigade and turn this gives you the chance of make 1 movement or if you are lucky with the roll 3 moves (so you can attack by side)... the spirit is the same the strategy is more random and in my opinion dilute. Warning I am not saying that Hail Caesar, Black Powder, Pike and Shot are not good Games at all... I am just saying that are not warmaster 2.0 superior systems (in my opinion), as I read somewhere in the net.
Units are more flexibles compose of 1, 2 3, or 4 stands.
In hail caesar the units has two profiles, one for the first round of combat and other for the following rounds of combat (sustained combat)... among other changes.
But yes the philosphy is the same as warmaster (same author).
They are presented as being 28mm because warlord sells 28mm. The core of the game is indeed though for little scales (warmaster philosophy again), making a battle of hail ceaser and other warlord games only possible for clubs or group of people with lots of figures and huge tables.
Sold!
Thanks Chaos ;)
Anyone know where I can get a copy?
I reckon you could pick them up cheap on ebay
Quote from: Fenton on 28 February 2015, 05:32:42 PM
I reckon you could pick them up cheap on ebay
Had a look already but not sure what I'm looking for :-\
Could try here as well
http://freewargamesrules.wikia.com/wiki/Category:American_Civil_War
Acwmaster looks ok
Quote from: Fenton on 28 February 2015, 05:37:45 PM
Could try here as well
http://freewargamesrules.wikia.com/wiki/Category:American_Civil_War
Acwmaster looks ok
Cheers mate ;)
Or here but I think the acw set here as the same as the other one I posted the link to
http://www.ricks-warmaster.com/ricks_updates-variants03.htm
Quote from: Fenton on 28 February 2015, 05:41:18 PM
Or here but I think the acw set here as the same as the other one I posted the link to
http://www.ricks-warmaster.com/ricks_updates-variants03.htm
Free, is always good ;)
Just received my copy of Blitzkrieg Commader rules (bought through Lulu). Thought I had better start to get to know some of the basics of the core rules before PD's revamp in the autumn. :)
Quote from: Fig.ht on 01 April 2015, 10:31:32 AM
Just received my copy of Blitzkrieg Commader rules (bought through Lulu). Thought I had better start to get to know some of the basics of the core rules before PD's revamp in the autumn. :)
:-bd
I would like to start buying Eastern Front WW2 Pendraken figures. But I wait for these rules first so that I know how to build forces.
Is the a release date for the ruleset confirmed? Rather September or December? Maybe faster :) ?
You can't really go wrong by starting with something historical on the TOE side - get cracking!
BKC uses one vehicle or 4-5 infantry on a single base as a platoon sized unit, with a HQ stand per battalion or company-ish depending on what you're modelling.
So half a dozen tanks, three packs infantry with a mix of rifles, SMGs, LMGs and a pack of mortars and HMGs, and three HQ bases of a tank plus jeep/kubelwagon or lots of officers pointing and shouting and you're about set for a good game :D
If you want to get started without waiting for the reprint, as a basic force I'd go with:
1 x CO stand - Big boss with staff/ command vehicle/ AA gun or similar. So it could be a few figures or it could be a little diorama.
1 or 2 HQ stands - like the CO but fewer staff/ lesser vehicles or the like
9 stands of infantry with historical-ish mix of light weapons - as toxicpixie said rifles (mainly those for most troop types), SMGs and LMGs.
1 stand of mortars and 1 or 2 of MMGs/HMGs
6 - 9 medium tanks of the appropriate type (probably PzIII/PzIVs and T34s but depends on the period) and/ or assault guns.
You can add light and heavy armour, recce, FAO, FOO, aircraft and all the other complications as you get a feel for the rules but that should serve as a force that would give you a good game.
Base sizes don't matter too much as long as both sides are the same, or nearly so.
I use 40mm wide by 20mm deep for the infantry and heavy weapons and 20mm wide by 40mm deep for most vehicles - some of the big vehicles need slightly bigger bases.
I put HQs on 40mm square bases and COs on 40mm or even 60mm square bases.
My base sizes are pretty much down to having come to BKC from Warmaster.
Quote from: Zbigniew on 11 June 2015, 09:30:06 AM
Is the a release date for the ruleset confirmed? Rather September or December? Maybe faster :) ?
There is no release date arranged yet, it will really depend on how much work needs to go into the rules. We'll start looking at them in August probably, and then we're aiming for a reprint towards the end of the year, so Nov/Dec time I'd expect.
8)
Thanks for information and ideas.
Example of one of my small battlegroups:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7834.0.html
Nice stuff, thanks for the link. I think I got the idea now. I am going to make armies for winter 1942/43 (being inspired by Victory Lost exellent board game).
My own stuff is intended for Kursk so later in '43 than you're looking at.
I posted bits and pieces about my German forces in this thread
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8613.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8613.0.html)
Inevitably I have more German stuff and a whole Russian force still to paint =)
I'd be interested to see some pictures of whatever you come up with.
This thread has sent me off to the battlegroup generator to make some lists for mid ish Ost front. Dang you, tempting me for yet more bits of the war I don't have immediately to hand :D
Congratulations on the acquisition Leon & Co. - not a bit surprised, it's an almost natural evolution.
Look forward to see what direction the rulebooks take, in particular with your slew of releases, new periods and of course the Future War Commander IP (sci-fi expansion in the works? Dent in DZC's 10mm sci-fi stranglehold?)
Ummm....interesting gossip times ahead (not that I lose sleep over it but do follow industry developments in the hobby we love so much....)
Hey if you want to launch a Kickstarter campaign offering lots of stretch goals for the re-publication and starter armies/lines - THIS DOWNUNDER MONKEY's in!
;D
Is there a release date yet and will you be taking advance orders?
Does it cover the whole WW2 period or is it targeted at mid-late war?
Cheers
Steve
The old version covered the whole war (when I read it at the weekend).
Existing version starts with the Spanish Civil War, The Winter War and The Far East (37-41) and goes on to cover the whole of WW2. One of the attractions of the rules was the all-in-one-book coverage of the extended conflict.
Quote from: Ithoriel on 11 February 2016, 03:18:35 PM
The Winter War.
A mate of mine once pulled a Finnish lass due to his knowledge of said war....... ;D
You're going for an Oikish Knighthood for next year, aren't you ? ;)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: ffoulk on 11 February 2016, 11:50:38 AM
Is there a release date yet and will you be taking advance orders?
Does it cover the whole WW2 period or is it targeted at mid-late war?
The rules will span the same period as originally, so all of WWII including the Winter War.
At the moment the plan is to do a separate supplement for the SCW though. I know people prefer everything in one book but we've got such a large SCW range that we'd like to expand on the original two army lists in BKC and produce a small (probably pdf) supplement that can add in some more flavour for the period and with more army lists.
There's no release date as yet and I'm not sure whether we'll be doing advance orders on it, I'll have a think on that. We should have the completed text back to us very soon and then I can get started on the layout/formatting.
8)
It should also cover the Korean war. CWC should start in 1956....
IanS
Quote from: Techno on 11 February 2016, 05:44:17 PM
You're going for an Oikish Knighthood for next year, aren't you ? ;)
Cheers - Phil
That would be rather splendid...... :D
Any update for the expected release of the new rules please?
As I understand it they are back with Leon and he's proof reading it and reformating the layout then printers
Take care
Andy
Hi,
I readed that a french version of BC2 was available in the past, will it be available again ? On Lulu I didn't find it.
Thank you !
Never saw the french version. Didn't know there was one.
Neither did I
Take care
Andy
Quote from: sundaygeneral on 06 May 2016, 10:13:19 PM
Hi,
I readed that a french version of BC2 was available in the past, will it be available again ? On Lulu I didn't find it.
Thank you !
I read - a long time ago - there was a french pdf ( available for buying on Pete's site), but it did not stay on line ( I don't know why)
That's probably what I readed too. I'm also speaking of a legal french version available to buy.
There was a translated version available on a blog / French club site previously I believe. I spoke with the guy who made it, so we will be looking at getting a proper French version made as well.
this is good news ! thanks
Good idea.
Good news indeed!