Hello! I'm Chris and I am getting started into 10mm wargaming after 6+ years of playing warhammer 40k. I will be using this thread to document all of my projects with 10mm including terrain building/painting and army building/painting. I plan on having two armies at the moment; ww2 american and fantasy humans. I am currently awaiting my first batch of ww2 models but have already started on terrain.
Today's project is a 2x4 board for either fantasy or ww2.
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I have decided that spackle is by far my favorite terrain tool ever. This picture is the board waiting for it to dry, and hopefully by the end of the day I'll have it painted, flocked, and ready for water effects.
And here is the little terrain pieced I've completed so far.
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I'm going to get some thicker glue to do all the tree foliage because white glue doesn't hold well til its dry.
That's all I have for now. Feel free to comment/criticize , ask questions, or just start conversation. I'm looking forward to being an active member on the forum and getting to know some of you!
-Bearded Hammer
Good work thus far.
Look forward to following this: always nice to have some new fantasy players aboard :)
Welcome Mr Hammer. WW2 Americans vs Fantasy Humans.
I've seen "Fury" - I think you'll find they're the same thing.
Nice work on the terrain.
Welcome!
Looking good!
Welcome
Looks like a great start
ww2 american and fantasy humans?
Bit of a mismatch. Unless you mean the Totty thread.
Thanks guys, glad to hear the good feedback!
And ya, The two army choices are a bit weird lol. I have one group of friends wanting to play ww2 games and another who wants to to play fantasy, so I just said screw it and will have one of each. For a while I thought sci fi was going to be added to the list and then they joined the fantasy band wagon.
When I looked at the first picture I thought winter terrain, that's good...then I read the caption. Try using a glue gun to hold the foliage on, it's got an almost instant 'grip' as my fingers can testify.
There's the straight line, knock yourselves out.
On said pieces, if it were me I would add some different coloured flock material for a bit of a contrast and tone down the starkness of the rocks a little with a brown wash or similar. Apart from that they are great.
Welcome and good luck here. Like the zoo posters say 'mostly harmless', but nonetheless very knowledgeable (some of us disguise it well so as not to upset the rest).
Welcome Chris. Looks like a good start.
Fun story on the flock. I have two other shades and can't find them. I just moved recently and some of my stuff has disappeared, but The Wife is going to Hobby Lobby for me tomorrow so I'm restocking on everything.
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 04 February 2015, 09:01:47 PM
Fun story on the flock. I have two other shades and can't find them. I just moved recently and some of my stuff has disappeared, but The Wife is going to Hobby Lobby for me tomorrow so I'm restocking on everything.
That is known as Sods Law. :)
Do any of you have a good idea for water effects? I want a static look and something I can just poor and let dry but not a fan of using a 20usd bottle of water effects in one go.
Welcome and you've made a great start
Take care
Andy
looking good so far
Welcome, as others have said good looking start on the terrain :-bd =D> :-bd
Is it the picture or are the trees meant to be blue :-/
I have used blue, green and brown washes covered with multiple coats of gloss varnish for streams in the past, add some highlights after a few coats but still well before the last coat of varnish
I'm sure others will have suggestions as well
Thank you, and it must be the picture because they're brown plastic. And I am going to try using modge podge gloss for water. If it comes out well its a very cheap alternative, and I found some at Walmart after reading a couple articles on it. The stuff I'm using now is vallejo still water and I'm pretty happy with it but there is room for improvement.
Great looking terrain board, looking forward to seeing your progress with this project.
Welcome, Chris.
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 04 February 2015, 09:39:11 PM
Do any of you have a good idea for water effects? I want a static look and something I can just poor and let dry but not a fan of using a 20usd bottle of water effects in one go.
For still water you could try yacht-varnish. You have to build it up in successive coats if you want it to look deep. Don't forget to paint the bed of the stream/lake/whatever first.
I have used successive layers of acrylic gloss varnish, mainly because the drying time is much faster and I'm an impatient bu**er.
By the way the only difference between ordinary varnish and yacht varnish is that the latter has the ability to flex slightly when it sets, otherwise it is no stronger or tougher than ordinary varnish.
I got the board painted last night. Here is a pic of what I have so far.
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I'm working this morning but tonight I'd like to have all but the river finished
Looking good. Nice little bridge and the foliated trees already add a bit of colour.
Yep !!
Looking good ! 8)
Cheers - Phil.
Very nice
Take care
Andy
Taking shape very nicely indeed :)
Hi, Chris. Looking forward to the next step. :)
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 04 February 2015, 08:05:13 PM
I'm going to get some thicker glue to do all the tree foliage because white glue doesn't hold well til its dry.
Chris
Step 8 and 9 of this method recommends you use hairspray (of the maximum hold, unperfumed variety) and what-is a watered-down PVA solution sprayed on.
http://www.treemendus-scenics.co.uk/step-by-step-tree-kit/ (http://www.treemendus-scenics.co.uk/step-by-step-tree-kit/)
Cheers, Michael
:-bd =D> :-bd
Trees certainly don't look blue in that pic :)
I have the grass drying on the board at the moment. I'll post pics once the mess is cleaned up and have the trees finished.
I have to say that this is the most friendly and interactive forum I've been on. Thank you for the comments and encouragement! Already feeling right at home :)
Looking cracking!
Do any of you have a suggestion for what cannons to use for my fantasy army? I think I saw some cannons available without crew but I'm sure you guys know the pendraken range much better than me so any advice would be appreciated.Thanks!
Chris
Is it fantasy humans, renassaince da Vinci punk ish? The Landsknecte cannons would be a good match...
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Here is the board with all greenery added! Now all that's left is the river :D
And I'm not sure what style I'm going for just yet. Part of me wants to go for the warhammer fantasy empire idea and the other wants to go all out steam punk, lol.
Impressive 8)
It has turned out really well, a very nice board. :-bd
What the two above said. 8)
Cheers - Phil
Looking good and the trees are very tasty.
Quote from: WeeWars on 05 February 2015, 08:58:06 PM
Chris
Step 8 and 9 of this method recommends you use hairspray (of the maximum hold, unperfumed variety) and what-is a watered-down PVA solution sprayed on.
http://www.treemendus-scenics.co.uk/step-by-step-tree-kit/ (http://www.treemendus-scenics.co.uk/step-by-step-tree-kit/)
Cheers, Michael
Best of the lot is Deluxe Materials Scenic Spray Glue.
www.deluxematerials.co.uk/en/search?controller=search&orderby=position&orderway=desc&search_query=scenic+spray&submit_search= (http://www.deluxematerials.co.uk/en/search?controller=search&orderby=position&orderway=desc&search_query=scenic+spray&submit_search=)
Comes in its own pump-spray bottle. Cover the bases of whatever you're spraying, otherwise you'll glue the whole thing to your work-surface! Yes, it is that good!
I actually wound up getting frustrated and used super glue. It is holding great, but my fingers looked like I was turning into an ent ;D
For water I would paint the base a blue brown then put a few coats of marine varnish on top
Looking cracking!
Good luck de-flocking the fingers...
Hello. That's looking good :-bd
Toxicpixie: I filed the majority of the super glue off with an iron file. But there was a little pile of super glue and flock dust whrn I was done :)
Fenton: I already have a coat of mod podge on the river, but would giving the rest of the layers a blue tint come out well? I have an uneven river bed so the "paint is and varnish it" techniques won't work.
Hard core :)
So thanks to toxicpixie it seems my fantasy army will be looking more like 15th-16th century than high fantasy. The landsknect amy has everything I wanted for my infantry core and artillery, and I'll be adding knights and war mammoths (Because fantasy :) ) I'll be building my fantasy army first because I have more players that I am likely to have games with as opposed to just one guy for ww2.
P.s. almost ready for the 3rd layer of mod podge for the river. Should I water it down so it can level itself?
There's loads of useful pike and handgunners and mounted Xbows and gendarmes etc in the current "human fantasy" range, which is the late medieval one in smaller packs - they mesh nicely with the landsknectes so you can have shedloads of variety!
Not *quite* no two figures the same but not far off :D
I received my first package from Pendraken today!!
I ordered a small batch of ww2 Americans to get a feel for 10mm and Pendraken quality. I have to say I'm rather impressed.
(https://www.facebook.com/ajax/mercury/attachments/photo.php?fbid=596102977156252&mode=contain&width=176&height=176)
I put them on some 40mm bases I got from a buddy's fire storm armada fleet while watching Fury. Nothing like some tank battles to get me in the gaming mood :)
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 10 February 2015, 02:20:22 AM
I received my first package from Pendraken today!!
I ordered a small batch of ww2 Americans to get a feel for 10mm and Pendraken quality. I have to say I'm rather impressed.
(https://www.facebook.com/ajax/mercury/attachments/photo.php?fbid=596102977156252&mode=contain&width=176&height=176)
I put them on some 40mm bases I got from a buddy's fire storm armada fleet while watching Fury. Nothing like some tank battles to get me in the gaming mood :)
Good to hear they arrived OK! I can't see the pic though, do you have a direct link?
Here is the image url
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Excellent, thanks!
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No, thank you :)
Now than I've got my hands on some models and am happy with them I'll be placing an order to get both my armies started. I'll post the list of models for each when I decide exactly what I want to start with.
Got the first batch painted!
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I'm not worried about making every model perfect, as long as the army as a whole looks good I'm happy.
Looks good to me ;)
Then don't use the zoom feature ;D
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 10 February 2015, 07:31:56 PM
Then don't use the zoom feature ;D
Was about to have a pop at whoever it was being rude about your work then realised it was you ;D
Seriously, these are your first pop at 10mm moving from 28mm. I did the same and these are way better than my first attempts ;)
Quote from: getagrip on 10 February 2015, 07:41:05 PM
Was about to have a pop at whoever it was being rude about your work then realised it was you ;D
Seriously, these are your first pop at 10mm moving from 28mm. I did the same and these are way better than my first attempts ;)
;D lol, that would have been hilarious! Thank you! I think i'm going to have to invest in some better quality detail brushes though.
Nice work!
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 10 February 2015, 07:55:42 PM
;D lol, that would have been hilarious! Thank you! I think i'm going to have to invest in some better quality detail brushes though.
I generally only use size 0 and 1
Looking damn fine, BH !
Cheers - Phil
All that matters is that they pass the "one metre test". If they look good when you're standing at the table that's what most of us aspire to. And yours certainly do.
Quote from: Hertsblue on 11 February 2015, 11:36:47 AM
All that matters is that they pass the "one metre test". If they look good when you're standing at the table that's what most of us aspire to. And yours certainly do.
Perfectly put.
If you're painting for a comp that's one thing but, as someone here pointed out not so long ago, get them on the table where they're meant to be! So don't worry about highlighting belt buckles ;)
Quote from: Hertsblue on 11 February 2015, 11:36:47 AM
All that matters is that they pass the "one metre test". If they look good when you're standing at the table that's what most of us aspire to. And yours certainly do.
Quote from: getagrip on 11 February 2015, 12:44:59 PM
Perfectly put.
Hear, hear! =D>
Quote from: Hertsblue on 11 February 2015, 11:36:47 AM
All that matters is that they pass the "one metre test". If they look good when you're standing at the table that's what most of us aspire to. And yours certainly do.
yup agree as long as the local religious leaders are happy then its ok by me... Maybe I m thinking of the mitre test instead :-[
The "table test" as I call it has always been my standard, but I'm used to 28mm so there is still a load of detail work, lol. Thank you guys for all the encouragement!
Today two things will be happening: 1) I'll be buying a new set of detail brushes 2) I'll be placing my Pendraken order!
When I get a sec I'll post the shopping list for you guys to see.
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 11 February 2015, 01:33:13 PM
Today two things will be happening: 1) I'll be buying a new set of detail brushes 2) I'll be placing my Pendraken order!
When I get a sec I'll post the shopping list for you guys to see.
Ah well, another addict for the Dark Lord to consume... ;)
Getagrip: To which "dark lord" are you referring to? There are a few to choose from ;D
Alright, shopping time!
Fantasy Army: Items pulled from the late medieval line. Army plan is pike line backed up by small combat and ranged units.
3x 30 pikes
3x 20 foot knights
3x 20 billmen
2x 15 knights
3x 20 longbows
3x medium guns
3x organ guns
6x command units ( each a captain, standard, and musician from ELM 24a)
1x 15 mounted longbows
2x mounted commanders
1x mounted king
WW2: Army plan will be an infantry company with battalion level support and attached anti tank units. This list includes what I already have for the sake of simplicity.
3x Infantry platoons consisting of 3x infantry squads w/ BAR and a command Squad
Company command squad
6x .30cal machine guns
3x 60mm mortars
6x 57mm anti tank guns
3x M1A2 105mm howitzers
3x M18 Hellcats
3x M12 GMCs
3x 2 1/2 ton trucks (transport for one platoon)
2x jeeps (transport for a platoon command squad and company command squad)
I already have plans for expanding both armies in time and if group interests persist. But if this first batch is anything to go by I'll be collecting long past these plans :)
Loving the fantasy army; can't have too many pointy sticks ;)
My Warmaster Empire army currently has 20 units of halberds...currently :)
20 UNITS? How many dudesmen?
So I have the first terrain board finished as well as my first batch of models. I would say I have about a month before my order arrives so I think I'm going to do a new terrain board. I'm wanting this one to be for fantasy oriented but I'm having issues finding ideas and inspiration. The only input I've received from my friends is that they want to be able to play siege games so it will need a space for a fortress to be placed. Other than that its a blank slate.
Anybody have any ideas/inspirational pics?
Is a dudesman some sort of Americanism? Can't say I've ever come across that expression in wargaming; only in terms of losing one's car.
As far as I know its just between my friends and I, lol. I didn't even realize that I posted it until later ;D It came about when a friend accidentally combined the words "dudes" and "guardsmen" while playing 40k.
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 11 February 2015, 03:27:42 PM
Getagrip: To which "dark lord" are you referring to? There are a few to choose from ;D
There is only
ONE Dark Lord (all hail his name). :d
All hail!
All Hail his Sable Majesty!
Quote from: fsn on 13 February 2015, 07:02:44 PM
All Hail his Sable Majesty!
Or possibly his Synthetic Nylon Majesty (money's tight).
Quote from: Hertsblue on 14 February 2015, 10:30:13 AM
Or possibly his Synthetic Nylon Majesty (money's tight).
Never >:(
I took some pics of the finished board!
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I'm quite pleased with how the river turned out. The white parts are the deepest and are still curing, but its rock solid and drying clear.
And here is a pic of the next board project, a desert river bed. One friend suggested desert terrain to go with his skeleton army and this could also be used for ww2 North Africa games.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/11004054_598927826873767_755039924_n.jpg?oh=14ba71fae1a92f3cd6b4ca702e4620c8&oe=54E61F1B&__gda__=1424377542_a565fb760e82f8dc36eedce7791d1724)
:-bd =D> :-bd =D>
Great water effect, feels like you could dive into that river
Thank you! It didn't come out perfectly level like I had originally planned, but it gives the illusion that the water is flowing over the uneven river bed.
Just out of curiosity, would anybody be interested if I did commission boards?
Really nice board, well done it looks brilliant. :-bd
Cracking work :-bd
I may be a bit late, but maybe give a brownish/greenish tint to the river to simulate deepness ?
Then another coat of gloss varnish ?
Nice work, BH !
Cheers - Phil.
Good work fella! 8)
Cracking :)
Don't know about the pre-made boards - you'd be competing with people like TSS who can do decent terrain tile stuff very cheaply, or Battleboards who do amazing stuff (but ain't cheap, I gather). There might well be a good niche between them :D
Thanks guys! And yes barbarian, a bit late. I had actually planned on doing that and forgot :-X
And if I made tables to sell it would be "per request" I wouldn't want to go full business with it. I've learned that it's not a good idea to make a hobby into a job.
Here is a pic of the desert board in progress
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Love to see "ground up" (literally) modelling ;)
Quite inspiring :)
I love having people to share my work with. My friends appreciate good terrain but don't care how I make it ;D
Here is the board base coated. I did something a bit different than usual. I mixed medium and a bit of coarse sand into the paint to give it the rocky texture I was looking for. I know this is nothing new, but this is my first swing at it and I am quite happy with the results.
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Quote from: BeardedHammer on 18 February 2015, 05:08:18 PM
I love having people to share my work with. My friends appreciate good terrain but don't care how I make it ;D
Find new friends :)
Wish my gaming buddies produced this stuff ;)
Nice start - looks like you got a really mix on the sand & paint there!
Some of it came out a bit more coarse than I expected, but I was planning on adding some ultra fine sand (grout sand) to the next layer to smooth it out.
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 18 February 2015, 06:34:56 PM
Some of it came out a bit more coarse than I expected, but I was planning on adding some ultra fine sand (grout sand) to the next layer to smooth it out.
Careful if you're rolling and picking up dice on that; you may find you have red knuckles :(
Doesn't hurt at first but after a lengthy gaming session the trauma builds.
Wargaming pet hate: dice being rolled on the table! >:(
Quote from: fsn on 18 February 2015, 07:09:52 PM
Wargaming pet hate: dice being rolled on the table! >:(
For sure; sometimes needs must ;)
If I might make another suggestion, I protected the sides of my boards using reinforced adhesive tape. It has lasted for four years so far and it's still going strong.
They are coming along nicely.
Unfortunately we seldom have space to roll dice anywhere else, but when possible I'm not going to allow them on my boards just to cut down on wear and tear.
And thank you for the advice subedai, I was just thinking about that today.
Desert board is finished!
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I still have to give it a coat of matte varnish to help keep the sand on, but do you guys have any suggestions before I do that?
Looks great BH
=D> =D> =D>
If I was mean I would say a few burnt out Centurions but I'm not, so I wont
Do you mean the 40k space marine centurions?
No. Just some 20th century tank
No, there's some minor post WW2 stuff that's called Centurion, nothing important ;) Although equally I gues it could be post Carrhae and they could be original burnt out Centurions :D
Looks really good!
That is awesome; cracking camera angle too :-bd
Thanks guys, and I'm sad now...
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I had to take that pic, lol. That's the Space Marine Centurion :)
Good luck, tiny Americans!
All I'm saying is I have titans if we decide to play alternate history/scifi :D
A Centurion you say? :-\
Oh dang, we said the word three times and he's appeared!
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: toxicpixie on 19 February 2015, 04:25:34 PM
Oh dang, we said the word three times and he's appeared!
;D ;D ;D
So what board should I do next? Mountain pass or WW2 ruined village?
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 19 February 2015, 09:45:03 PM
So what board should I do next? Mountain pass or WW2 ruined village?
Nice jungle scene ready for the Aztecs; you'll have a couple of years to work on it :D
I don't think I can afford that many trees :-X ;D
Open steepe for the Mongols you just know you want to get. If not then I reckon a WW II ruined village would be quite interesting.
OK, how about a compromise? ??? A steppe board with removable mountain pass corner piece And I'll make it able to match up one side with the river board for larger games.
Good idea?
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 20 February 2015, 04:02:22 AM
OK, how about a compromise? ??? A steppe board with removable mountain pass corner piece And I'll make it able to match up one side with the river board for larger games.
Good idea?
Sounds a good idea to me :)
I've also been contemplating the issue of storing these. My first thought was to just duck tape a loop of string to the bottom and hanging them in a closet. Any suggestions would be appreciated, as I am working with very limited space.
Compatible bases for bigger games are a great plan, especially if they're "semi-modular" to further increase variety!
Storage - hmmm. Hanging them up sounds like a good plan so long as whatever solution you do let's them site properly on the table and against each other on the sides? Is there a wardrobe top or underbed space they could slide into if not?
Very nice.
Wadi rhubarb?
So I need some design help
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The river will wrap around the field and go to the board edge, but where should the road go? My two thoughts are to follow the hill line or go to the mountain pass (or fortress as I was playing with some designs for in the bottom right). I think I'm favoring the hill line but want a second opinion.
Thanks for any help, BH
The main road should continue to the mountain pass (or fortress... bottom right), a secondary road branches off to follow the hill line ;)
I would also have a bit more river on the new board and have it exiting nearer the mountain pass (or fortress... bottom right), not sure if it should exit on the long or short side.
I think this would make the new board more interesting on its own as well as when part of the larger board :)
Good idea on the road split! I hadn't considered that. :)
as far as the river goes, there is actually another 8-9 inches of river that's not in the pic. If I take it through the middle of the board it could work, but I would rather keep it out of that corner so I don't have to try and make the optional corner pieces interact with it. One thing I could do is widen it out into a swampy area toward the opposite side so it's not just river all the way across like the first one.
I would split the road too!
Do your have wooden boards on the back because I was wondering if you could attach picture hook to one end and hang them that way. If they are just the insulating board then forget it.
I was contemplating putting thin boards under the foam for added durability so that could be an option. The simplest idea I've had so far is to take a wire hanger, get it hot, and push it into the foam. Then seal it in with mod podge and a board.
And I think I have finally found the inspiration for my next (and largest) terrain project
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hI3oBTCNoOo/T8rCo0RuqlI/AAAAAAAABm0/fPJhDfkWTsU/s280/100_7283.JPG)
Omaha Beach on an 6x4 board
This will be a vastly greater undertaking than my little boards, and I will have to build it in sections. It will be set up very similar to the picture and my friend and I are building our forces to be semi DDay themed so will make for an excellent game in the end :D
This project is a little ways down the road, but the gears are turning and I'm really looking forward to it
We'll all be looking forward to seeing it ! :)
Cheers - Phil
Omaha I'm really looking forward to seeing; went there as an eleven year old. Stayed with me my whole life.
Sweet :D
I have tonight off so I will be working on the "expansion board" as I've taken to calling it. Here is a pick of the river cut out and the hill cut to shape. So far everything lines up well.
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I'm in the process of making the removable mountain pass and coating the board with spackle at the moment and will post more pics as I go.
I ran out of spackle :(
Here is what I have done so far. The board itself is ready for the base coat as soon as the spackle is dry, but the mountain pass needs some cleaning up and spackling before its ready for paint.
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I also remembered that I need to order more trees, lol
I got the road and grass done. I will probably do the first layer of the river tomorrow and the trees will be in by thursday :)
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Looking good, BH !
Cheers - Phil
Thank you :) I can't help but think it looks naked without the trees.
Just at the moment, perhaps :-\ ;)...But a lot of folk will find the stage by stage photo's really useful, if they fancy having a go at making their own terrain.
Cheers - Phil
That's why I post them. When I was starting out finding threads like this was a gold mine, so I hope I get to return the favor :D
Good on you !! :-bd
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Techno on 23 February 2015, 07:06:40 AM
a lot of folk will find the stage by stage photo's really useful, if they fancy having a go at making their own terrain.
I certainly would if time and space allowed ;)
Question; what is spackle?
Looking really good - am impressed at your speed :D
Spackle is the stuff you use to fill holes in walls. I don't know if it goes by any other name, but that's what the container says lol :D
Toxicpixie: thank you, and I got lucky tonight because the wife wanted to hang out in the office (my workspace). So while she was distracted on the computer I took advantage of the opportunity ;D
As far as I know Spackle is a trade name for a brand of filler. I'm not enough of a DIY enthusiast to know if it's become a generic term like 'hoover' or 'biro.'
Smooth, I like it BeardedHammer :D
I think "spackle" is a kind of generic name now, at least mostly so...
I have a quick question for you guys. What rules does everybody use for their games? I'm specifically interested in ww2 and fantasy, but would love to hear about other rules you think highly of.
For WW2 I use "Chain of Command" by Two Fat Lardies for skirmish and "Blitzkreig Commander 2" now by Pendraken for larger scale games (1 stand = 1 platoon) and for Fantasy I still use "Warmaster" though on this forum it would seem disloyal not to mention "Warband" recently released by Pendraken!
For WWII Spearhead for brigade level and above, looking at Chain of Command for skirmish. Don't play fantasy
Spearhead is a favourite for large scale games for ww2 but we also play BKC for smaller games. I actually quite like the mechanisms for Bolt Action in smaller scale even if it needs better scenario set up than "as written".
Fantasy we use Impetus (the Basic rules and the fantasy supplement are free) but the new Warband looks pretty tasty! We did play Warmaster but it didn't grip us as a group.
I've been reading Impetus Basic this morning and I'm rather liking the mechanics, I'm going to have a friend read it and if he likes it I think we'll keep it :)
For world war 2 we are planning on using Panzer8 rules with some house rules for making it fire team based instead of platoon based, but would be willing to try others.
On a modeling note, I started to add foliage and water effects today
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You are an absolute machine when it comes to modelling; looks like it's going to be another goody :-bd
Thank you! The funny thing is that I never used to enjoy making terrain for 28mm. I did it so we could have nice battle fields. But building 10/15mm stuff is so much more fun in the fact of you cut out a lot of the detail work, so you can focus on the piece as a whole. Less :-\ and more :D
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 24 February 2015, 06:17:31 PM
Thank you! The funny thing is that I never used to enjoy making terrain for 28mm. I did it so we could have nice battle fields. But building 10/15mm stuff is so much more fun in the fact of you cut out a lot of the detail work, so you can focus on the piece as a whole. Less :-\ and more :D
That's the thing about the smaller scales when it comes to terrain. You get to use a lot more and the variation keeps the building of it interesting. Plus of course it's a lot quicker than 25mm.
You can get caught up in annoying detail, take ages and end up with something that's only just satisfactory as a whole; 10mm & similar scales let you do a broad sweep that looks great in actual use with decent speed!
Hope Impetus Basic appeals, the full rules are definitely worth it you're happy after tasting :)
Here is the mountain pass :D (sorry the pic is a bit blurry)
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Cracking! And very usable, too :)
Quote from: toxicpixie on 24 February 2015, 08:45:03 PM
Cracking! And very usable, too :)
Couldn't agree more; the slopes are gentle enough to take figures. Top job :-bd
Excellent thanks for sharing
Take care
Andy
Looking good :)
Where was that going on the board again :-\
The corner opposite of the hill. The road that crosses the river leads right to it.
Looks damn fine !!
Cheers - Phil
Toxicpixie, how long does a game of impetus take on average? I'm looking for fast play games if at all possible.
And I just make my first big mistake for terrain making :(
I poured the second layer of the river too soon and it bubbled :'(
Liking the work so far.
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 25 February 2015, 06:50:36 PM
And I just make my first big mistake for terrain making :(
I poured the second layer of the river too soon and it bubbled :'(
When people see my figures that say that I must have incredible patience to paint them. It's not patience, it's technique learned over many years. I'm not long on patience -especially when I want to see the end result of something AND THE BL**DY GLUE IS TAKING TO FECKIN LONG TO DRY!!!
Ahem. I feel your pain.
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 25 February 2015, 06:50:36 PM
And I just make my first big mistake for terrain making :(
I poured the second layer of the river too soon and it bubbled :'(
Ouch; we've all had moments like that. I feel a new thread coming on :-\
Impetus - with my semi-regular group we can play a big 500+ pts game in 3-4 hours but that's with everything ready to go, and three people who know the rules and their armies really well :)
On a club night with less experience and more distraction we can play a 300pt "2/3rds" size game in about 90mins. I'd guess a Basic Impetus with the slightly cut down rules and fixed armies you could bash thru in an hour.
And "oh dear" on the water - is it recoverable or usable as rapids or something?!
The surface is pretty smooth, so if I pour another thin layer it may hide the bubbles a bit. I'll try it asap (the river is dry so layer three is safe :P )
Subedai, that is my life in one paragraph. ;D
I poured the third layer of the river after cutting the tops of the bubbles out so the mod podge could fill it in. I'll know if it worked after work tomorrow.
Alrighty then. I just got home from work and I have good news and I have bad news.
Bad news: The bubbles in the river are still visible, but the third layer did cover them up a bit. Here is a pic of a couple of the worst ones. I have to check and make sure the water level matches the other board and then the river is done.
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Good news: My trees came in today!!! The wife and I have a double date out of town tonight and will be home around 9, but after that the trees will be going on the board :)
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 26 February 2015, 09:53:56 PM
Alrighty then. I just got home from work and I have good news and I have bad news.
Bad news: The bubbles in the river are still visible, but the third layer did cover them up a bit. Here is a pic of a couple of the worst ones. I have to check and make sure the water level matches the other board and then the river is done.
Areas of marsh gas. Impassable. Job done. ;)
Couldn't you "retro fit" some rocks into the worst areas?
Quote from: getagrip on 26 February 2015, 10:11:40 PM
Couldn't you "retro fit" some rocks into the worst areas?
I like that idea! Saves all the work so far. :D
Love the work, just wish I could see the pics. :'( The only one that shows for my browser is the last one.
Tbh I reckon that looks job done; at least as far a I can see they just look a bit like edies in the flow...
Ya, I think I'm going to call it good on the bubbles. No one that will use this terrain other than me will notice/care honestly.
I think the trees will have to wait til tomorrow. Just spent the last hour in sub zero temps because 2 out of our 3 vehicles had dead batteries from the cold, and the wife is grumbly. I'm firing up the heating pad and calling a night I think.
Thanks for all the help and support guys, this is honestly the best forum I've ever been a part of. G'night gentlemen.
A few chips of gravel and those holes will become Rapids.
All looking great.
Here is the hill complete with trees
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I wanted to keep the trees confined to the hill for the most part to keep the center area of the board clear. I may go back to the first board and add some trees on the matching hill and the one next to it to make the boards blend better.
Looks terrific !
Great job, BH.
Cheers - Phil.
Top work!
Love it, another great gaming board :-bd
Looking forward to seeing them in use with some little chaps on 'em.
:-bd =D> :-bd
Quote from: Subedai on 28 February 2015, 09:55:36 AM
Looking forward to seeing them in use with some little chaps on 'em.
I'm actually taking all 3 to a game day next weekend so I'll be taking pics :D
And after reading through some rule sets I've come to the conclusion that I'm going to have to write my own fantasy rules to get everything that I want. I'll be starting on them tonight and will share when I'm done
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 01 March 2015, 05:12:58 PM
And after reading through some rule sets I've come to the conclusion that I'm going to have to write my own fantasy rules to get everything that I want. I'll be starting on them tonight and will share when I'm done
Yes please; what's your line of thinking?
We're looking for something that is a fast playing and smooth playing game (about an hour or so for an average game). I'm basically taking the panzer8 combat mechanics and adding a "section activation" style turn, adding rules for multi base units, adding a command/orders mechanic, and smoothing out the kinks. Its basically going to be a mash of mechanics from a dozen different games and what ever I come up with. I may be able to get the first draft done late tonight.
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 01 March 2015, 06:54:27 PM
We're looking for something that is a fast playing and smooth playing game (about an hour or so for an average game). I'm basically taking the panzer8 combat mechanics and adding a "section activation" style turn, adding rules for multi base units, adding a command/orders mechanic, and smoothing out the kinks. Its basically going to be a mash of mechanics from a dozen different games and what ever I come up with. I may be able to get the first draft done late tonight.
For me, fast and uncluttered every time: it's only a bloody game after all. :)
Quote from: getagrip on 01 March 2015, 06:58:28 PM
For me, fast and uncluttered every time: it's only a bloody game after all. :)
Very true, after years of playing warhammer 40k and dealing with volumes of rules I'm ready for a game I can relax and enjoy instead of looking up vague rules for hours
Here is a link to the thread I started for my attempt at a rules set
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11602.0.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11602.0.html)
please post any comments in that thread, thanks :)
Got some picks of the first board in action today :D
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Very nice.
8)
Cheers - Phil
Love it, nice looking game board :-bd
Tasty, that's come up lovely.
BKC on the go there?
Thank you! My table was actually put at the front of the store because the even organizer wanted people to see the terrain as they walked in :D 8)
The game going on in the pictures is actually a demo of Panzer8 fast play ww2 rules with modifications for 10mm models. Everybody who played the demo really enjoyed it and was asking about models and pricing, so hopefully Pendraken will have a few more customers soon ;)
Ahhh, cool on all counts :D
Not saying any names, but somebody got a fat package from pendraken today :D
Everything looks great and I already started getting pikemen on bases. Pics will be posted once there is something to show :)
Which flavour pikes?
Late medieval. I rather like the armored look.
Like it.
And well done for avoiding the dreaded fish jokes
I used a mix of landsknectes and armoured/unarmoured late medieval pike for mine - you can mix them up lovely and end up with really unique units. With a bit more thought I could also have used some of the Elizabethan and slightly later figures too...
Here is the First Line Section consisting of 3 units of pikemen and the command unit to the rear
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I probably won't have time to make them pretty until late next week as I have a pretty busy work schedule until then, but I will post any progress that I manage to get in :)
Just love massed ranks of infantry.
Can't wait to see these finished BH ;)
Me either :D I'm thinking about doing bronze colored armor, if so what color should I use for the cloth?
Are these historical or fantasy?
Fantasy, but I have no idea on the actual background yet
Ah, well in which case, blue works brilliantly with bronze. ;)
They're looking well set up fellows! Bronze and blue should look cracking... Red accents or maybe yellow?
Taupe, I think, definitely taupe.
Blue and yellow are opposite sides of a colour wheel and clash.
Blue and white or blue and red?
Google blue and bronze images; you'll find some beautiful things :)
Bronze and blue sound good to me.....Though a blue 'shifting' towards turquoise would be my favourite.
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: mad lemmey on 20 March 2015, 08:16:53 PM
Blue and yellow are opposite sides of a colour wheel and clash.
Blue and white or blue and red?
Maybe I've come over all Landsknecte, I think blue, yellow, pink, taupe, magenta, orange with a splash of black. For the second figure, try...
Quote from: mad lemmey on 20 March 2015, 08:16:53 PM
Blue and yellow are opposite sides of a colour wheel and clash.
Blue and white or blue and red?
Blu and orange are opposite, or yellow and viola.
Viola? Isn't that the opposite of trombone?
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I sit corrected, thank you.
Pssst! Psssst! Where the taupe?
Quote from: fsn on 21 March 2015, 04:53:28 PM
Pssst! Psssst! Where the taupe?
Isnt that an anteater?
Quote from: Techno on 20 March 2015, 10:11:34 PM
Bronze and blue sound good to me.....Though a blue 'shifting' towards turquoise would be my favourite.
Cheers - Phil
Agreed!
Bronze and a light/ turquoise blue with white accents. Thanks for the suggestions! I wanted a bright color so that it will stick out from across the table
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 21 March 2015, 11:17:21 PM
Bronze and a light/ turquoise blue with white accents. Thanks for the suggestions! I wanted a bright color so that it will stick out from across the table
Share a piccie when they're done :)
Just one point til the 20th century there were no fast colours - so most was green, grey and brown.
IanS
Quote from: ianrs54 on 22 March 2015, 10:06:38 AM
Just one point til the 20th century there were no fast colours - so most was green, grey and brown.
IanS
It's fantasy, who cares?
And Orcs are GREEN.
IanS
Only GW Orcs. Real orcs are shades of "swarthy."
"Real orcs?" :o
You don't go in to town much on Friday and Saturday nights then grips?
Bands of them roam the streets, wearing their pointy, orange and white, helmets, chanting their guttaral war-cry (Heypalwhuty'lookin'at?) and making their regurgitated offerings to the gods of the gutter. :)
Quote from: Ithoriel on 22 March 2015, 12:50:02 PM
You don't go in to town much on Friday and Saturday nights then grips?
Bands of them roam the streets, wearing their pointy, orange and white, helmets, chanting their guttaral war-cry (Heypalwhuty'lookin'at?) and making their regurgitated offerings to the gods of the gutter. :)
I thought it's Nobby who lives in Runcorn :D
Do tell !! ;)
Cheers - Phil
Thread Necromancy at its best! Sorry for vanishing all of a sudden. A friend and I decided to produce a 28mm skirmish game and I've been pouring all my spare time into that for a while.
I'm ready to head back to the land of tiny dudesmen! I'll be posting a few picks of the projects I've been working on and expanding on some of my plans. So stay tuned for more updates (including my new "micro-table")!
-BH
Great news
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Here is my project I started today. This is my 24"x30" game table that I am calling my micro-table. I made it from an end table that the dogs had chewed on and a table top from work, so total cost is free at the moment ;D I'm planning to add a detachable space on each side for the dead pile and dice rolling, as well as a shelf below for modular terrain.
As far as my miniatures, there has been zero progress, but I'm starting to work on my fantasy army again to get the ball rolling. I'm ready to see them all in formation and painted up!
Other projects I will be working on soon will be 6mm napoleonic british. I may post a few pics, but will keep it to a minimum so the thread stays on track. And if anyone is interested in a 28mm skirmish game that lets you create your army and use any models send me a message and I'll get you the link to our page.
I hope to post an update of some kind tomorrow night, so stay tuned and tell me what you think!
-BH
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Also, does anybody have any experience with the Pike and Shotte rules from Warlord Games?
I'm quite the fan of the Black Powder and I've heard that they are similar and have yet to read through them. I'd like to use them for my 10mm fantasy/medieval army.
They are annoyingly similar, as are Hail Caeser. If you like Black Powder you will like Pike and Shotte.
IanS
Why do you say annoyingly similar?
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Cause if you play one you will carry over the specific rules from t subconsciously. Instances are the move distances, and initiative distances. They are all excellent sets.
IanS
OK, good to know. Thanks for the heads up! I think the hardest part for me will be finding opponents. The average gamer in my area seems to be the less than intelligent college kid (not my cup of tea), so finding a good person to play a not competitive game that requires a bit of work will be a trick.
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Very much a game for gentlemen as the rules are "tool box" type and require a lot of input for period flavour. Still, if you do a bit of research you can present the Game as a "fair accompli" and let them argue history later ;)
That's what I'm looking for! I have a few buddies that are interested in 10 fantasy so I may do an adaptation from Pike and Shotte for that to get started.
But for now I have some new pictures! The general and his battalion of foot knights
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The line battalion of pikes
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The ranged battalion of two archer units, 3x cannons, 3x organ guns
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The mounted battalion of knights and mounted longbows
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Coo !....
They should look rather spiffy. :)
Look forward to seeing this progress.
Cheers - Phil
Thanks Techno! I'm hoping to get my last two units on bases tonight so I can base coat tomorrow. I'll post as I go :)
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I have seen a few comments on here about the 'challenges' of having pike striking out beyond the front of bases. Apparently it can lead to bent pikes when two such elements meet. I don't have any pike in 10mm so haven't had this issue personally.
You appear to have only a few but thought I would mention it before you got too far down the track to rearrange the figures so you can think about if you haven't already.
I'm looking forward to watching this project :)
Thanks for the heads up paulr. I think I will leave them as is though, because I'm not sure how often I'll have the privilege of using this army so I at least want it to look good. If I have to touch up a few bent pikes every now and then I'll not complain. I do appreciate the forewarning though.
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Looking good so far!
Not sold on the use of silver as an undercoat. :)
There's a lot of armour there - silver, black wash, done ;)
Lol, trolls! Trolls, all of you! ;D I'll be base coating in white I believe. I'm going to do white cloth with blue details and bronze armor. Does anybody have any advice to the contrary?
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THERE IS ONLY ONE COLOUR TO UNDERCOAT - BLACK!!!!!!!
IanS
That is my usual rule of thumb, but with white and a light blue being the primary colors I figured it would be easier to let a wash do the work than to work my way up.
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White undercoat should work well - you will need to paint the armour black before metallic - but overall it should cut down on the amount of painting.
I do find with white undercoat you do need a quite heavy wash to shade all the awkward bits that get missed. With black undercoat these are naturally in shade, with white you need to do something to hide them - but generally a heavy wash works.
I use white, base coat, wash, highlight...
Terribly Twentieth Century I know, but I like it!
Lemmey: That's my plan for the moment. It's simple and effective, and that is exactly what I need.
Fred: Thanks for the heads up on the armor, I'll give it a shot.
What do you think about the dip method for the wash?
I've not used Army Painter Dip. The general view is it can be quite messy used as a dip.
I tend to make my own wash from Pledge floor polish diluted 50% with water and a few drops of ink (brown or black)
Forgot to say - I do like the look of your bases. With the Pikes I'll echo what Paul said, it can be worthwhile putting the angle pike troops back on the base a little to protect the pikes.
Ok, I'll re-base the pikes. I've changed my preferred method anyway, lol.
Thanks for the advice guys!
The Days of the Silver Legions are well and truly behind us, hurrah :)
White under coat, detail and a decent wash should be fine if have thought. So long as the undercoat is solid it'll pass muster! If you're doing bronze for armour you might even get set with it straight over the white if it's a solid enough metallic - the GW Copper I have works well like that - no idea what it's now called though. GnarMar Obsidibronze or something most likely...
Here is the new pike line. It looks much better anyway ;D
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Spiky! 8)
And will probably remain spiky for a lot longer :D
Hello BH
Quote from: BeardedHammer on 25 July 2015, 06:43:10 PM
That's what I'm looking for! I have a few buddies that are interested in 10 fantasy so I may do an adaptation from Pike and Shotte for that to get started.
There is a fantasy adaptation of Hail Caesar available from http://adyswargamesden.com/shadow-storm-aka-fantasy-hail-caesar-pdf/ (http://adyswargamesden.com/shadow-storm-aka-fantasy-hail-caesar-pdf/).
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
Awesome! Thanks for the link Grumpy! I'll be checking that out ASAP!
I'm hoping to get started on the painting tomorrow evening. Between rebasing the pikes and dealing with issues at work time ran short.
I'll post as I go, and I may be doing a bit of work on my WW2 army as well.
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Here is a pic of my first test base. Its a bit rough if you look close, but in a unit a foot or two away it'll do :)
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Well....
Seeing as on my monitor, those are coming up six to seven times actual size, I should think they look particularly zippy from a couple of feet away !
Great looking unit !
Cheers - Phil
LOL! I just had the same issue ;D I uploaded from my phone and it wasn't so bad.
Thanks for the compliment Techno! I will be going back and highlighting a bit to bring out some more detail, but that will be the general appearance.
I can't tell from the picture but would give the armour a dark brown wash before you highlight.
Like fred 12df I use the magic wash recipe and can highly recommend it. You can make up any colour as a wash you desire provided you can get the relevant colour in waterproof ink.
The link for magic wash is
http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html
I second the motion to wash ;)
Should also add that they are looking very good
They've had a wash from the look of it - I'd guess a GW Reikland Flesh or similar?
Look very nice for 28mm figures, very like the Pendraken sculpts in 10mm but huge :D
Good decision on recessing the pikes, I think - you might actually get them base to base as needed without breaking all the pike shafts in storage/transport :)
Looking good there!
Once based those will be really awesome! 8)
Thanks for the complements guys!
They have been washed with GW gryphone sepia, but I was not very happy with the way it covered so I will be doing something different. I'll look into the magic wash today, and I'll be restocking my basing materials as well.
And as far as rules go, I had actually managed to forget about my fantasy rules :( so I've been reworking those a bit for some added clarity.
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great pikemen!
Holy halbardiers, bat-Pope!
OK, so here is an interesting update. I got my stuff for basing and some inks to try for a wash, but updates may be a bit delayed. My wife had a doctor's appointment and found out that our little boy could arrive at any time, which is 3 weeks ahead of schedule. So depending on how things go I'll have a new little dudesman very soon! :)
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Is that a mini-bearded hammer? Excellent news :)
Good luck doing anything for some time that doesn't involve the wee one :D
I think I'll be addressing him as the beardless hammer, lol! And I was planning on getting this army painted before DDay, but looks like that's not happening.
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Sorry for the delay. Yesterday was spent getting the last stuff ready for the little guy, but today I have the day off so hope to be more productive. I'd like to finish painting most of my pikes, and I may head to my LGS to get a test game of my rules.
On a side note, do you guys have an idea of what models I could use to make a 15th century Romanian army lead by Vlad Dacula?
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