Hello Everybody!
I'm Javier Gómez, a Spanish painter better known as El Mercenario. Although I've mainly painted 28mm figures in my life, my true passion are the smaller scales, especially the 10mm. Long ago I started a WW2 project bit a few years ago the FPW captured my interest and decided to build armies. Although my referent is 1870 ruleset it could be easily converted for Blackpowder or actually any other rules for late 19th century big battles (Fire & Fury for example). Here they are a few pics of the game we had at my local club Alpha Ares here in Barcelona last Friday –the battle of Beaumont, 30th August 1870, when Failly's 5 Corps was caught by surprise in it's route to Sedan by the German. Failly's three divisions had to face three German Corps (Bavarians, Saxons and Prussians, six divisions in total). Despite all the odds and the overwhelming German superiority (2:1 in men, 3:1 in guns) French did pretty well keeping the Germans at bay for several turns...until Krupps made the difference! All the figs and the farm are Pendraken's, the remaining buildings Timecast's. I hope you like it!
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Welcome to the Forum Javier. FPW is one of my passions and I am very envious as that is a superb looking game. I would be interested to know what size bases you are using.
That is some introduction, Javier! Wonderful figures and terrain. Welcome to the forum.
Welcome on board and lovely figures and terrain 8).
Great opening visual impression. Nice terrain and well painted little chaps. Love it.
I really am impressed that you paint your own standards.
Welcome
Talk about a way to make an entrance
Fabulous work! Congratulations and welcome. I can see (I think!) Prussians, Bavarians and Wurttembergers but no Saxons! Are they flanking again? ;) :D
By the way, who are the chaps in greatcoats and shakoes with no flags?
Mollinary
Welcome Javier! I've long been a fan of your work in 28mm, I had no idea you liked the smaller scales. Indeed for a moment when I saw your name I thought these were 28s. Really superb painting and set-up, its a showcase for how 10mm should be done.
:o :o :o :o :o
Wow !!
Those are a bit tasty ! =D> =D> =D> =D>
As Steve says....What a way to make an entrance !
Welcome from me too, Javier.
Cheers - Phil
Fantastic !!!!
A table as all gamers dream to play. Congratuation =D>
Are all the figures Pendraken?
Hi,
Superb painting, really stunning.
kev
Great looking table and excellent painting!
Welcome to the Forum as well!
8)
These really are great. Which reminds me I need to introduce myself at some point in the intros threads.
:-bd =D> :-bd =D> :-bd =D>
As others have said, what an introduction :o 8)
A beautifully presented game with wonderful figures
Welcome to the forum
Oh God why do I bother, I mean the painting .... and who are those coves in the shakoes ?
really fantastic stuff =D>
Spectacular.
W
Really fantastic Debut! Having walked Beaumont, I can say you've really got the hills around the ville looking spot on.
Beautiful figures, welcome and have fun here.
V Corps really took a beating as is historical. :)
Thanks a lot for your comments! I'll try to answer all your questions in detail.
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 12 January 2015, 03:46:44 PM
Welcome to the Forum Javier. FPW is one of my passions and I am very envious as that is a superb looking game. I would be interested to know what size bases you are using.
All the bases have a front of 2,5cm. On depth, infantry is 2cm, cavalry 2,2cm and artillery 2,5 or whatever they need (French 12pdr are quite big). This is regimental scale, thus 3 bases makes a French/Bavarian infantry regiment, four bases a Prussian one. Cavalry regiments are made with two bases, each artillery base represents a battery.
Quote from: mollinary on 12 January 2015, 05:15:08 PM
Fabulous work! Congratulations and welcome. I can see (I think!) Prussians, Bavarians and Wurttembergers but no Saxons! Are they flanking again? ;) :D
By the way, who are the chaps in greatcoats and shakoes with no flags?
Mollinary
Well, at this point I have no Saxons yet, so I cheated and used Prussians instead :-[. Wurttembergers helped to complete the lot as they were nor present at Beaumont, like the guys on greatcoats and shakoes –Prussian Landwehr actually :-[ :-[. Saxon XII Corps in next in my list.
Quote from: mad lemmey on 12 January 2015, 07:32:38 PM
Really fantastic Debut! Having walked Beaumont, I can say you've really got the hills around the ville looking spot on.
Beautiful figures, welcome and have fun here.
V Corps really took a beating as is historical. :)
I always prefer to game historical rather than set up scenarios. For this purpose 1870 ruleset is awesome. Regardless if you use or not the rules just the scenario sections worth every penny the booklet cost. The maps, oob and historical context and options you get at every scenario it's just amazing.
To be honest, in 10mm the Pendraken FPW range is the most comprehensive on the planet.
Quote from: Javier Gomez on 12 January 2015, 08:08:02 PM
Well, at this point I have no Saxons yet, so I cheated and used Prussians instead :-[. Wurttembergers helped to complete the lot as they were nor present at Beaumont, like the guys on greatcoats and shakoes –Prussian Landwehr actually :-[ :-[. Saxon XII Corps in next in my list.
Good to see that even our idols have feet of clay! You are not the first to use substitutes, and you certainly won't be the last! I have done so many times! :o. Regardless, it is a magnificent display of a wonderful range, as DP says, the most comprehensive on the planet! :D
Mollinary
These are excellent!
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 12 January 2015, 08:20:03 PM
To be honest, in 10mm the Pendraken FPW range is the most comprehensive on the planet.
Agree. And great detail! Take a look to theses close ups, the very first units I painted for the FPW project
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Wow.
I'm jealous and I've got 8 corps!
Very very good use of blacking. Do you paint them by the eye or use a magnifying glass?
Fabulous looking figures ....
Quote from: KTravlos on 12 January 2015, 09:07:40 PM
Very very good use of blacking. Do you paint them by the eye or use a magnifying glass?
by the eye
Quote from: clibinarium on 12 January 2015, 05:17:03 PM
Welcome Javier! I've long been a fan of your work in 28mm, I had no idea you liked the smaller scales. Indeed for a moment when I saw your name I thought these were 28s. Really superb painting and set-up, its a showcase for how 10mm should be done.
I always loved massive displays with lots of figures and scenics on the table. And I like to play big battles with several corps involved, not just the usual engagement between two divisions. Moreover, now that I don't paint commissions anymore and my publishing company don't let me much free time to paint, to build 28mm armies is out of question. The choice seemed obvious... but it's not just a matter of "economy", the bird's eye sensation you get with the smaller scales it's second to none and the 10mm is still large enough to keep great detail and provide fun when painting. It's great to have companies like Pendraken to make this possible!
Quote from: Javier Gomez on 12 January 2015, 10:14:47 PM
I always loved massive displays with lots of figures and scenics on the table. And I like to play big battles with several corps involved, not just the usual engagement between two divisions. Moreover, now that I don't paint commissions anymore and my publishing company don't let me much free time to paint, to build 28mm armies is out of question. The choice seemed obvious... but it's not just a matter of "economy", the bird's eye sensation you get with the smaller scales it's second to none and the 10mm is still large enough to keep great detail and provide fun when painting. It's great to have companies like Pendraken to make this possible!
You are a man after my own heart, Javier! Absolutely beautiful! The detail on the figures, the terrain, the painted buildings are all wonderful. Do you have a picture of the entire table?
Anyway, welcome to the forum. =D> =D> =D>
Quote from: Hertsblue on 13 January 2015, 11:27:42 AM
You are a man after my own heart, Javier! Absolutely beautiful! The detail on the figures, the terrain, the painted buildings are all wonderful. Do you have a picture of the entire table?
Anyway, welcome to the forum. =D> =D> =D>
Thanks a lot! I made no pics of the entire table as I had no photographic backgrounds at hand and I don't like tabletops pics with people wandering around behind the table, rulebooks, dices, etc. I'll do it next time, I'm planning to do Colombey soon (I need to finish my awesome and useless French Guard cavalry!).
The Guard cavalry will look stunning. Have you plans for the forts in that scenario?
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 13 January 2015, 02:22:57 PM
The Guard cavalry will look stunning. Have you plans for the forts in that scenario?
Not sure yet, maybe I'ld build them from scratch.
Hi Javier,
it won't sound an original comment, but your pieces are utterly awesome! Accidentally at my club (Gruppo Ludico Aglianese, Agliana, Italy) we are playing FPW using Bruce Weigle's 1870 rules and pendraken's miniatures too, even if no way near to your beatifull pieces/table. Anyway, i utterly subscribe your opinion about the rules and the scale, keep it up! PS: in painting your models did you used washes or just layers of colours?
Amazing work Javier !!!! I hope to see more of your fantastic work in the near future ;)
Quote from: Werthor on 14 January 2015, 09:55:03 AM
Hi Javier,
it won't sound an original comment, but your pieces are utterly awesome! Accidentally at my club (Gruppo Ludico Aglianese, Agliana, Italy) we are playing FPW using Bruce Weigle's 1870 rules and pendraken's miniatures too, even if no way near to your beatifull pieces/table. Anyway, i utterly subscribe your opinion about the rules and the scale, keep it up! PS: in painting your models did you used washes or just layers of colours?
Thanks! On painting, just a "highlight" over the black primer. On horses, base color over the black primer, and then one single highlight. Guns, the base colour dry brushed over the black primer. then repaint metals. I could prepare a tutorial for you all if you wish.
That would be terrific and very gratefully received Javier. I believe you were responsible for inspiring my 28mm Impetus Dark Age Saxon basing.
Javier,
Love your work and hate you! You are tempting me into yet another period. I do like this period and love the armies involved.....so tempted.
I would love to see more close ups of your units and a list of regiments that you have/order of battle.
Thank you again for the inspiration!
Quote from: Bunny on 15 January 2015, 07:10:54 AM
I would love to see more close ups of your units and a list of regiments that you have/order of battle.
Sure! Here it is the list, although I've plenty of stuff on my table (French Guard and line artillery, French Dragoons and Prussian infantry) that will be be added soon
More close ups and the tutorial over the weekend.
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Welcome, Javier, and what a wonderful introduction! =D> :-bd You set a very high standard, my friend!
Hola Javier
Wowwww Welcome
Great lists.
I know not all were engaged, but I do Think you're selling the Wurttenbergers short on artillery. They had more batteries in their division than a Prussain corps!
Quote from: mad lemmey on 15 January 2015, 05:08:42 PM
Great lists.
I know not all were engaged, but I do Think you're selling the Wurttenbergers short on artillery. They had more batteries in their division than a Prussain corps!
Hmm! Are you sure ML? I thought most Prussian Corps had 13-14 batteries, while my failing memory told me the Wurttemberg division had only (!) 9. :-\
Mollinary
Certainly more than a Prussian division. I stand corrected (again)! :-[ ;D
Quote from: mad lemmey on 15 January 2015, 06:26:21 PM
Certainly more than a Prussian division. I stand corrected (again)! :-[ ;D
. Absolutely, more than twice the number than in a standard Prussian Division, which had only 4. The difference was the Prussian corps reserve, usually of 6 batteries. The Bavarians and Saxons, I think, had even more, with 16 batteries to a Corps.
Mollinary
Quote from: mollinary on 15 January 2015, 06:34:05 PM
. Absolutely, more than twice the number than in a standard Prussian Division, which had only 4. The difference was the Prussian corps reserve, usually of 6 batteries. The Bavarians and Saxons, I think, had even more, with 16 batteries to a Corps.
Mollinary
Yes, I working on a standard of 16 batteries for each german Corps. On Wurttembergers I only made the brigade that arrives at Froeschwiller in the middle of the fight. As I mentioned before my goal is not to build armies per se but historical oob to play historical battles, and my first project was Froeschwiller, thus the W. brigade –I think I have almost everything I would need for that battle but a Bavarian brigade and a couple of French cuirassiers regiments to complete the whole lot. I will complete the colorful Wurttembergers if I need more for any other scenario. But Saxons will come first I guess.
Quote from: Werthor on 14 January 2015, 09:55:03 AM
Hi Javier,
it won't sound an original comment, but your pieces are utterly awesome! Accidentally at my club (Gruppo Ludico Aglianese, Agliana, Italy) we are playing FPW using Bruce Weigle's 1870 rules and pendraken's miniatures too, even if no way near to your beatifull pieces/table. Anyway, i utterly subscribe your opinion about the rules and the scale, keep it up! PS: in painting your models did you used washes or just layers of colours?
Hi! How is your experience with 1870 rules? We started with Blackpowder as is a ruleset everyone know, but I'm considering to move to 1870 in a short term.
Grazie mille
Hi Javier,
i like 1870 ruleset, it handles command and controll brillantly and i find also the fire phase convincing: french infantry has more range than prussian (the double) but at short range the prussians get an edge. The charging phases is a bit more confusing, mostly because many morale tests are needed and because it's really hard to have a close combat between two infantry units. In any cases the most important feature of the ruleset are the wonderful scenarios, very detailed and playable, with a lot of "what if" suggestions. It doesn't give any point system to recreate fictional battles but i dont miss it since it's not too dificult to build some army builder using as coeficients morale and combat points. The only drawback that i've noticed is that it's not very clearly written, anyway on 1870's website you can download offical FAQ's that help a lot to understand some mechanics. I warmly recommend bruce weigle's ruleset also for the magnificent fluff about tactics, armaments, OOb exc that occupy the most part of the rulebook.
Well, since you are using black powder and i'd like to give it a try for FPW, do you think it works well with 10mm figures? And, moreover, where can i find BP unit stats for FPW war?
Saludos! :)
My brother plays BP FPW in 10mm so I'll give him a call over the weekend and see if he can email me some stats. Generally in my club we play 10mm BP using 25x25mm bases and substituting cms for inches
Quote from: Werthor on 16 January 2015, 12:35:55 PM
Hi Javier,
i like 1870 ruleset, it handles command and controll brillantly and i find also the fire phase convincing: french infantry has more range than prussian (the double) but at short range the prussians get an edge. The charging phases is a bit more confusing, mostly because many morale tests are needed and because it's really hard to have a close combat between two infantry units. In any cases the most important feature of the ruleset are the wonderful scenarios, very detailed and playable, with a lot of "what if" suggestions. It doesn't give any point system to recreate fictional battles but i dont miss it since it's not too dificult to build some army builder using as coeficients morale and combat points. The only drawback that i've noticed is that it's not very clearly written, anyway on 1870's website you can download offical FAQ's that help a lot to understand some mechanics. I warmly recommend bruce weigle's ruleset also for the magnificent fluff about tactics, armaments, OOb exc that occupy the most part of the rulebook.
Well, since you are using black powder and i'd like to give it a try for FPW, do you think it works well with 10mm figures? And, moreover, where can i find BP unit stats for FPW war?
Saludos! :)
I have both 1866 and 1870 rules (actually they were my main inspiration to start this project). I completely agree with your general view but my opinion doesn't worth as I read them but barely tried them. Looks good but a bit confusing sometimes. The scenarios are just outstanding!
On FPW, WI#276 published an article on how to adapt BP for the FPW (my second inspiration!). Interesting as a starting point. The BP brigade now turned to be a division, and the basic units are regiments –large for Prussians, medium for French, small for Jaeger/chasseurs battalions. So in the activation phase you activate divisions of usually 5 infantry units (four line regts. plus one chasseur/jaeger battalion) plus artillery/cavalry. This works well but they say nothing on downscaling artillery –I mean, if you play at regimental level instead of battalion level, you should do something with the artillery I guess. They also offer special rules for Germans and French and measures for Chassepot, Dreyse and French and German guns. From my point of view the stats for German guns are plainly excessive. On infantry, the usual stats with Morale 4+ for all, 3+ for special units such as Zouaves, Turcos and Guard and 5+ for Bavarians. The article is honest and funny, very old school, but more a digression than an actual adaptation of the rules. I'm working on my own adaptation, I hope to be able to offer a few ideas as soon as I would be able to test them.
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 16 January 2015, 01:18:55 PM
My brother plays BP FPW in 10mm so I'll give him a call over the weekend and see if he can email me some stats. Generally in my club we play 10mm BP using 25x25mm bases and substituting cms for inches
Yes, we do the same, 1"=1cm. Any tip on BP for FPW will be more than welcome!
I'll do my best, but can't contact my brother on a Friday because that's when he wargames.
..... your brother wargames? So jealous!
It makes birthdays and Christmas very straightforward.
We play 1877 (RTW) using 10mm figures and the inches to cm conversion and it works well. Room for maneuver if you need it. So it plays. As or for converting to FPW it really depends on what level of command you want your BP Brigades to represent. Weapon scaling is really a matter of deciding which range band make what sense for which weapon. For example in 1877 we treated the Krnk as a Rifled Musket and the Peabody as a Breech Loading Rifle, and the Berdan II as a bolt action.
We gave higher shooting to Ottoman Nizam and Veteran Redif units, and higher HtH to the Russians. Special rules were mostly chosen created to encourage historical tactics by the gamers.
I really enjoyed the process of building the army pamphlet for the war. It is part of the hobby and I thoroughly recommend it.
Javier i simply cannot get over how well you did those 10mm. You make me regret not going for a better standard in my Russians :P
My last additions, one regiment of zouaves and one of Turcos, using the ACW range figs for more variety. Now I already have the three regiments of each I needed to complete MacMahon 1 Corps. The third zouave regiment is actually the Zouaves of the Guard. Not big different with the line zouaves and never been in the same place during the war, so it makes no sense to me to paint a fourth zouave regiment. Maybe the Papal Zouaves in the future... On flags, I do like to alternate the regimental eagle flag with battalion fanions.
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Lovely work. (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)
Thought the canteens on the back of the pack were steel?
Superb, Javier. The embroidery on the backs of the jackets is so well done. =D>
Quote from: mad lemmey on 17 January 2015, 09:39:52 AM
Lovely work. (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)
Thought the canteens on the back of the pack were steel?
Yes, I always saw the water canteen on the waist as blue grey and the food canteen at the back pack as white metal
You can never miss the Zouves on the table with their great uniforms 8). Excellent work once again.
Quote from: KTravlos on 17 January 2015, 08:19:30 AM
Javier i simply cannot get over how well you did those 10mm. You make me regret not going for a better standard in my Russians :P
To be honest, once in the table all would look more or less the same... I think it's the terrain and maybe the flags that makes the difference.
My mistake. Zoomed in and it's the tassels on the packless zouaves that I mostook for a mispainted canteen. :-[
Well I had a good look and couldn't spot the packless zouaves. Must get my 10mm up to this so I can fight some small actions. Trying out some different base siases today to see which are most effective/suitable - 40x25, 30x20 and 25x25. Really want to use these figures with FOB2, so the massive scfraps will be in 6mm. will report back my findings and decision.
Its beautiful work but I agree with the artist (Javier), in 10mm, especially at my age when the eyes aren't quite as sharp as they used to be, its all a bit pointless. IMHO the effect of 10mm is best achieved ensemble; nice figures cleanly painted and well based, on a terrain board on which you have spent at least as much time as you have on your figures. Bruce Weigle is a good example of achieving a superb effect using the ensemble approach; his 6mm figures are clean but basic, the effect is achieved using beautiful terrain. I accept its not always possible to do this for club games but perhaps we should start thinking of the board as being at least as important as the figures themselves. I'm currently working on a simple system using acrylic fleece and poster paint to see if better than average terrain can be achieved quickly and cheaply, expect reports of same when I finally find out where my neighbour's JCB cut the underground power line to my garage/workshop !!
Quote from: cameronian on 17 January 2015, 12:11:33 PM
Its beautiful work but I agree with the artist (Javier), in 10mm, especially at my age when the eyes aren't quite as sharp as they used to be, its all a bit pointless. IMHO the effect of 10mm is best achieved ensemble; nice figures cleanly painted and well based, on a terrain board on which you have spent at least as much time as you have on your figures. Bruce Weigle is a good example of achieving a superb effect using the ensemble approach; his 6mm figures are clean but basic, the effect is achieved using beautiful terrain. I accept its not always possible to do this for club games but perhaps we should start thinking of the board as being at least as important as the figures themselves. I'm currently working on a simple system using acrylic fleece and poster paint to see if better than average terrain can be achieved quickly and cheaply, expect reports of same when I finally find out where my neighbour's JCB cut the underground power line to my garage/workshop !!
Yeah, definitely nice terrain and buildings are a must. We are lucky to have a very talented terrain builder here in Spain, google En Cobertura to find a sample of his work. He sells a wide variety of tiles and textured mats plus modular scenics (hills, rivers, roads, etc.). The terrain of the Beaumont pics is by him, we bought for the club a few years ago.
I tried acrylic fleece with sprayed acrylic paint and was pleasantly surprised at how effective it looked. I agree that terrain is an important part of the visual impact of a miniatures game (otherwise get the board games out) and try and put some effort into this, even on a club night. As mentioned above I wanted to try out some bases for fighting the smaller actions using rules such as Black Powder, On To Richmond (variant Nach Paris) and especially Field of Battle 2. I have settled on 40x25, with around 10 infantry figures per base, around 4 cavalry and one or two gun models on 40x40. In my experiment, below, I tested 40x25 with 25x25. Will put one or two extra figures on the bigger base.
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Try again
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The redoubt is fantastic, from the siege of Paris? Do you have any photos of fleece terrain, I'm interested to see what other people do. The idea of the poster paint was to make it washable and therefore reusable.
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 17 January 2015, 12:41:03 PM
I tried acrylic fleece with sprayed acrylic paint and was pleasantly surprised at how effective it looked. I agree that terrain is an important part of the visual impact of a miniatures game (otherwise get the board games out) and try and put some effort into this, even on a club night. As mentioned above I wanted to try out some bases for fighting the smaller actions using rules such as Black Powder, On To Richmond (variant Nach Paris) and especially Field of Battle 2. I have settled on 40x25, with around 10 infantry figures per base, around 4 cavalry and one or two gun models on 40x40. In my experiment, below, I tested 40x25 with 25x25. Will put one or two extra figures on the bigger base.
[imghttp://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Figurephotos2011/FPWphotos10mm/IMG_1411_zps27772afc.jpg[[/img]
I would love to see pics of the terrain too!
Very nice
Take care
Andy
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/10mm%20SYW/IMG_1345_zps7b51b634.jpg)
It works well, DP. Almost a 3-D effect with the sprayed patches.
That looks very effective.
Looks fantastic!
Yes excellent, thank you. My idea is to do a lighter spray over with acrylic to break up the monotony of moss green, then to stencil (masking tape/paint sponge) some fields etc, paint roads/streams freehand etc.
Like that, lots !
Cheers - Phil
WOW!!!!!! :)
I'm gathering information on Prussian flags and read somewhere that Prussian Grenadier regiments still used the Napoleonic patterns in 1870, and actually GMB flags offered the same codes for the Grenadiers in its catalogue. Do you have any clue about that? It would be very colorful to include different flags in the sea of black and white from time to time. Thanks in advance!
There has been info on the forum about this before now. I was recommended NAF 18 Prussian 1807 flags by Baccus. I find the 6mm flags to be a very good fit with the 10mm figures. Will try and sort out a photo later if you want to see what they look like.
well I paint my own flags, I was looking mainly for references. Thanks in any case
Javier,
We have discussed this before, and sadly, the most accessible source, which was on the North Star site, has now been taken down. I have all the material necessary for this, but it will take me a bit of time to get it together. Suffice it to say that old style flags were carried by the 12 Grenadier Regiments and the First Two Guard Grenadier Regiments. I will post again when I have it all in front of me.
Mollinary
Quote from: mollinary on 19 January 2015, 12:01:06 PM
Javier,
We have discussed this before, and sadly, the most accessible source, which was on the North Star site, has now been taken down. I have all the material necessary for this, but it will take me a bit of time to get it together. Suffice it to say that old style flags were carried by the 12 Grenadier Regiments and the First Two Guard Grenadier Regiments. I will post again when I have it all in front of me.
Mollinary
Thanks a lot Mollinary, if you posted this same information before I could take a look in the forum, no need to post it all over again. On the other hand I have detailed references on Prussian Napoleonic flags. Any extra info would be welcome but just to have the confirmation than the Grenadiers carried their vintage drapeaux is good enough!
I think I saw a post from you at TMP on the same topic (and because of that I visited North Star page this morning...without any success) where a German guy also provided good info on Saxon flags –that will be quite useful for me soon!
Hi again Javier,
I assume you mean Saxon flags for the Napoleonics period, I'll have to look at that as it is a subject with even more complexities than the Prussian. Anyway, here goes for the Prussians (bear in mind that most of these are little better than rags by 1870.
1 Grens 1,2 Battalions Regiment No 2 Fus Bt. Muster 1808-20 ie Usual Black gothic cross, but with all the embroidery (wreaths, monograms) in gold
2 Grens all 3 Battalions Regiment No 8.
3 Grens. 1 Btn Leibfahne Muster 1808-1820. As above black and white reversed. 2nd Btn same as Fus 1 Grens. Fus Btn Regiment No 2.
4 Grens. 1 Btn Leibfahne 1808-1820. Other btns Muster 1808-1820.
5 Grens. All btns Regiment No 16.
6 Grens. All btns Regiment No 52.
7 Grens. All btns Regiment No 58.
8 Grens. All btns same as 4 Grens except for addition of a blue oval below the central wreath with the word Colberg in it.
9 Grens All btns Muster 1808-1820 with Colberg medallion.
10 Grens. All btns Muster 1808-1820.
11 Grens. 1 Btn Regiment No 33. other btns Regiment No 3.
12 Grens. All btns Muster 1808-1820.
Guard Grens Alexander 1&Fus Btns Muster 1808-1820.
Guard Grens Franz. 1 Btn Regiment No 8. 2 Btn Regiment No 58. Fus Btn Regiment No 33.
Hope this is helpful. The old regimental numbers reflect flags dating back to Frederick the Great's reign.
Mollinary
Quote from: mollinary on 19 January 2015, 12:41:47 PM
Hi again Javier,
I assume you mean Saxon flags for the Napoleonics period, I'll have to look at that as it is a subject with even more complexities than the Prussian. Anyway, here goes for the Prussians (bear in mind that most of these are little better than rags by 1870.
1 Grens 1,2 Battalions Regiment No 2 Fus Bt. Muster 1808-20 ie Usual Black gothic cross, but with all the embroidery (wreaths, monograms) in gold
2 Grens all 3 Battalions Regiment No 8.
3 Grens. 1 Btn Leibfahne Muster 1808-1820. As above black and white reversed. 2nd Btn same as Fus 1 Grens. Fus Btn Regiment No 2.
4 Grens. 1 Btn Leibfahne 1808-1820. Other btns Muster 1808-1820.
5 Grens. All btns Regiment No 16.
6 Grens. All btns Regiment No 52.
7 Grens. All btns Regiment No 58.
8 Grens. All btns same as 4 Grens except for addition of a blue oval below the central wreath with the word Colberg in it.
9 Grens All btns Muster 1808-1820 with Colberg medallion.
10 Grens. All btns Muster 1808-1820.
11 Grens. 1 Btn Regiment No 33. other btns Regiment No 3.
12 Grens. All btns Muster 1808-1820.
Guard Grens Alexander 1&Fus Btns Muster 1808-1820.
Guard Grens Franz. 1 Btn Regiment No 8. 2 Btn Regiment No 58. Fus Btn Regiment No 33.
Hope this is helpful. The old regimental numbers reflect flags dating back to Frederick the Great's reign.
Mollinary
Brilliant, thanks a lot!
You are welcome. Any further questions, feel free to ask. You can always send me an e mail via the forum if you don't want to take up everyone else's time!
Mollinary
On the contrary Mollers, please continue to keep this correspondence public, your knowledge of this subject is fascinating.
Embarrassed to say I had to google FPW to see who won :-[ :-[ :-[
:o
Quote from: Maenoferren on 20 January 2015, 12:12:46 PM
Embarrassed to say I had to google FPW to see who won :-[ :-[ :-[
It was Franco, wasn't it? ! :-\
Mollinary
The Prussos won it in 1870, the then Francos cheated and declared a different country ("no, no we are not Napoleonic we are Republicans"). So it started again and the Prussos won it in 1871 ... then they changed their name to Germans and had to start all over again in 1914 because the Austrians lost an Archduke to a Serbian.
Didn't the Russian Revolution kick off because the emperor was bizarre.
Quote from: Leman on 20 January 2015, 12:25:17 PM
Didn't the Russian Revolution kick off because the emperor was bizarre.
No, as any fule kno it started because Rasputin (Rah-Rah to his friends) was the lover of the Russian queen, which the peasants thought was revolting! :o
Mollinary
Quote from: Dave Fielder on 20 January 2015, 12:22:31 PM
The Prussos won it in 1870, the then Francos cheated and declared a different country ("no, no we are not Napoleonic we are Republicans"). So it started again and the Prussos won it in 1871 ... then they changed their name to Germans and had to start all over again in 1914 because the Austrians lost an Archduke to a Serbian.
Has anyone else watched "Drunk History" in which history is told by people who have had too much to drink?
No. Think I'll google it.
"Never drink and type ... it makes the keyboard sticky" Confuscious AD 2015
Quote from: mollinary on 19 January 2015, 12:41:47 PM
Hi again Javier,
I assume you mean Saxon flags for the Napoleonics period, I'll have to look at that as it is a subject with even more complexities than the Prussian. A
Mollinary
This is the TMP thread I mentioned on flags where "Rudi the German" provided a few useful links on Saxon colors.
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=355063
Quote from: Javier Gomez on 21 January 2015, 12:15:58 PM
This is the TMP thread I mentioned on flags where "Rudi the German" provided a few useful links on Saxon colors.
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=355063
Thanks Javier,
I re read your post and got back to this post only yesterday! As the thread points out, Rudy's stuff is not quite as helpful as it immediately appears, as Saxon flags were different on each side. Pendraken have a set of flags which contain all the Saxon flags used in 1870, based on info I supplied, produced by the very talented Maciek. They are not very expensive, and would give you all the info you need if you really want to paint your own. Alternatively, I could possibly help further off line.
Cheers,
Mollinary
Quote from: mollinary on 21 January 2015, 01:01:00 PM
Thanks Javier,
I re read your post and got back to this post only yesterday! As the thread points out, Rudy's stuff is not quite as helpful as it immediately appears, as Saxon flags were different on each side. Pendraken have a set of flags which contain all the Saxon flags used in 1870, based on info I supplied, produced by the very talented Maciek. They are not very expensive, and would give you all the info you need if you really want to paint your own. Alternatively, I could possibly help further off line.
Cheers,
Mollinary
Pendraken's flags are great, I've bought a couple of sheets as a reference for my own painting. However, although the size of the printed and painted to be flags are similar the former ate too small to be used as a reference if you don't complement them with external sources. However, it's good to know they are quite correct! I've managed to gather enough information so I hope I could show you a few Saxon painted flags in the following days –instead of painting regiment by regiment I started by the regimental command bases to be used with Prussians infantry bases if necessary while I finished the whole XII Corps. So the plan is to paint first the command bases, then Jaegers, cavalry and artillery and then the remaining infantry.
I'm also painting the flags of the two Prussian Landwehr regiments I have, this time on paper as the figures carried no metal flag, just the pole.
I shall look forward to seeing those chaps completed. Incidentally what has happened to Maciek? Has he bunked off somewhere with Nik?
Cheers Bob
Quote from: Leman on 21 January 2015, 04:00:58 PM
I shall look forward to seeing those chaps completed. Incidentally what has happened to Maciek? Has he bunked off somewhere with Nik?
Cheers Bob
Yesterday night I was re-reading Gravelotte account of the battle at Wawro's and was thinking about split it in several smaller scenarios. It's of course especially interesting the German left flank and the struggle for St. Privat and Amanvillers, involving Manstein's IX Corps, the Prussian Guard Corps and the Saxon XII Corps enveloping the French right flank vs. Canrobert's 6 Corps and Ladmirault 4 Corps, maybe contemplating the possibility not that the shaky Bazaine's demonstrated some common sense or courage :'( but that Bourbaki ignored his stammering orders and come on his comrades help with the Imperial Guard. So 6 strong Prussian divisions vs 6 French divisions with penalties to their offensive actions to represent the lack of nerve of their commanders. Or even smaller, just St. Privat with Canrobert's plus reinforcements vs Prussian Guards and Saxons.
I'm sure some of you have played this scenario before, any suggestions?
Thanks!
St Privat on its own works as a scenario where each battalion can be represented. Prussian IX corps in the centre is also a viable scenario, whereas just doing Gravelotte as a scenario is going to be a very hard day for the Prussians.
Well, it was, wasn't it. Especially with Steinmetz in command. :o :o :o
No place for the guns, that was the problem.
Not to mention rank insubordination.
Javier,
Why not fight the whole of Gravelotte?
Chris
Quote from: Chris Pringle on 22 January 2015, 12:54:03 PM
Javier,
Why not fight the whole of Gravelotte?
Chris
I am sure Chris is too modest to propose you have a look at the Gravelotte scenario in his new BBB rules. Holdfast and I played G-St.P over four years ago with about 6,500 figures and 10 players on a 5m by 2 m table using Real Time Wargames "To the Last Gaiter Button Rules" I think, looking at your OOBs and photos, that your current basing and unit size would fit these pretty well. As they are designed for Corps on Corps battles they would also work for any part of it you are proposing. If you go searching on the forum you should come across a 2010 thread, covering our game, entitled something along the lines of FPW Gravelotte-St.Privat. I found it again just using the advanced search option and looking for Gravelotte.
Mollinary
Quote from: mollinary on 22 January 2015, 02:11:58 PM
I am sure Chris is too modest to propose you have a look at the Gravelotte scenario in his new BBB rules. Holdfast and I played G-St.P over four years ago with about 6,500 figures and 10 players on a 5m by 2 m table using Real Time Wargames "To the Last Gaiter Button Rules" I think, looking at your OOBs and photos, that your current basing and unit size would fit these pretty well. As they are designed for Corps on Corps battles they would also work for any part of it you are proposing. If you go searching on the forum you should come across a 2010 thread, covering our game, entitled something along the lines of FPW Gravelotte-St.Privat. I found it again just using the advanced search option and looking for Gravelotte.
Mollinary
Impressive display! Simply amazing, I'm so jealous! How are these "To the last hater button" rules? Great name btw!
Chris, I hope I would be able to do it one day... but at regimental level still have a long way to go (none of my wargame pals are painting this, I'm by my own!)
Hi Javier,
My own approach was to do it at divisional level rather than regimental. My 1/300 scale layout is nowhere near as impressive as yours, nor as Mollinary's splendid game from 2010 - I can only dream of such beautiful games! But it did enable 4 players to fight the whole battle in under 4 hours on a 1200x1800mm table. Here's a view of the southern part of the table, looking north:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3930/15341657118_18964d55b1_s.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pnG1aC)10 Gravelotte (https://flic.kr/p/pnG1aC) by bbbchrisp (https://www.flickr.com/people/127771552@N03/), on Flickr
Chris
Quote from: Chris Pringle on 22 January 2015, 05:00:18 PM
Hi Javier,
My own approach was to do it at divisional level rather than regimental. My 1/300 scale layout is nowhere near as impressive as yours, nor as Mollinary's splendid game from 2010 - I can only dream of such beautiful games! But it did enable 4 players to fight the whole battle in under 4 hours on a 1200x1800mm table. Here's a view of the southern part of the table, looking north:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3930/15341657118_18964d55b1_s.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pnG1aC)10 Gravelotte (https://flic.kr/p/pnG1aC) by bbbchrisp (https://www.flickr.com/people/127771552@N03/), on Flickr
Chris
Nice! Which rules did you used?
Hi Javier,
I think Chris used his newly published BBB rules! :D ;). You can find stuff about "To the Last Gaitor Button" at
realtime wargames.webplus.net Bernie Ganley, who posts periodically on this forum, is one of the authors, and can probably give you more detail. There is also a realtime wargames yahoo group (as indeed there is for Chris' BBB rules). We haven't played TTLG for a while, having focussed more recently on our own variant of Regimental Fire and Fury for the 1866 battles in Wargaming in History Vol 8, but we had great fun, and they did allow a huge game to be played out in a reasonable time. They also have a campaign system, which you might find useful. Certainly excellent value for money. They have a variant for 1866, and another one for the Republican phase of the FPW, as well as covering other periods. I should point out that I have no financial interest in, or connection to, the company, but the rules did bring me back to the late 19th century, something I have never regretted since.
Mollinary
By the way, Javier, I trust we will see some of your figures in the Painting Competition? ???
Mollinary
Quote from: mollinary on 22 January 2015, 07:27:29 PM
By the way, Javier, I trust we will see some of your figures in the Painting Competition? ???
Mollinary
Well, to be honest I didn't enter many painting contests in the past. As a professional painter I thought it was unfair to other painters. Painting figures is 10% talent and 90% technique and practice, and when you practice 8-10 hours a day obviously you have an advantage. In any case as long as I'm not a pro anymore...who knows? It would be fun!
Quote from: mollinary on 22 January 2015, 06:38:54 PM
Hi Javier,
I think Chris used his newly published BBB rules! :D ;). You can find stuff about "To the Last Gaitor Button" at
realtime wargames.webplus.net Bernie Ganley, who posts periodically on this forum, is one of the authors, and can probably give you more detail. There is also a realtime wargames yahoo group (as indeed there is for Chris' BBB rules). We haven't played TTLG for a while, having focussed more recently on our own variant of Regimental Fire and Fury for the 1866 battles in Wargaming in History Vol 8, but we had great fun, and they did allow a huge game to be played out in a reasonable time. They also have a campaign system, which you might find useful. Certainly excellent value for money. They have a variant for 1866, and another one for the Republican phase of the FPW, as well as covering other periods. I should point out that I have no financial interest in, or connection to, the company, but the rules did bring me back to the late 19th century, something I have never regretted since.
Mollinary
Thanks, I will definitely look for it. btw, I'm finishing my first Saxon command bases. Any clue on Saxon drums band? I know the drums were brass, but no idea of the bands color. I'll post a pic as soon as I managed to finish the flags –not an easy task!
Quote from: Javier Gomez on 22 January 2015, 08:39:29 PM
Thanks, I will definitely look for it. btw, I'm finishing my first Saxon command bases. Any clue on Saxon drums band? I know the drums were brass, but no idea of the bands color. I'll post a pic as soon as I managed to finish the flags –not an easy task!
Well there are some sites which usually yield treasure! In this case it is grossergeneralstab.de. If you go to Knotels Uniformkunde Band III, no 49. You will see a Saxon Drummer of this period. The band appears to be green (no surprises there!) with white ovals containing a golden crown. Good luck with that in 10mm! On the Painting Competition there has been considerable debate in the past as to whether "professional" painters should enter. The consensus was "yes" as it spurs everyone on to greater heights. So I hope you will consider contributing something.
Mollinary
Try this:
http://www.vonsteinmetz.supanet.com/subpages/vnb/reduced-gsp2.html
Or the original Volley & Bayonet has just Saint Privat.
Quote from: mad lemmey on 22 January 2015, 09:40:33 PM
Try this:
http://www.vonsteinmetz.supanet.com/subpages/vnb/reduced-gsp2.html
Or the original Volley & Bayonet has just Saint Privat.
Well remembered ML. I wonder if Keith McNelly's V&B site stil has that scenario up? I have an original copy of V&B so can certainly provide the OOBs
Mollinary
The map and or at is also very good from that scenario too Mollinary.
Just wish I could find my copy, been missing for years! :-\
Here they are the command group bases of the 23rd Division of the XII Saxon Corps. Sorry for the bad quality of the pics, the camera was discharged and I had to take them with the phone. So:
100th Regiment (I Battalion flag)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/540/xCyrno.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/f0xCyrnoj)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/673/vpwWWy.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/ipvpwWWyj)
101st Regiment (II/III Battalions flag)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/538/NhUfPI.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/eyNhUfPIj)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/538/J9RlJR.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/eyJ9RlJRj)
102nd Regiment (I Battalion flag)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/633/ID9yN5.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/hlID9yN5j)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/673/Thk8wM.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/ipThk8wMj)
103rd Regiment (II/III Battalions flag)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/673/nRMvB7.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/ipnRMvB7j)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/910/FDf45D.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/paFDf45Dj)
I'll try to take more pics tomorrow forming these command groups with Prussian rank and file.
Now I'm painting the 108th Regiment (Fusiliers) that carried no flag. The remaining command groups (104th-107th Regiments, 24th Division) have to wait as I ran out of standard bearers!
Thanks Mollinary for your useful guidelines!
Those are amazing! Leave my flags in the shade too!
Wow 8)
Nice work on the flags. :)
Good grief !! :-bd
Cheers - Phil
Thanks! For the troops I used Pendraken Prussians with Pickelhaube but I filed the cuff flaps to make the Saxon cuffs, plus the proper Saxons Pendraken added to the 1870 Prussian range wearing caps with visors. Besides these minor details the uniform is mainly the same, with dark blue shoulder straps and black leather equipment.
With Javier posting these pictures it mean he cant enter these figures into the competition right?
Well that's what I am hoping anyway to give me a 0.01% chance of winning ;)
I hand paint my own flags so I can really appreciate the work that has gone into those. Absolutely superb work
Fantastic to see such attention to detail.
Brilliant! Mine have run away and hidden... :'(
:-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd :-bd superb looking game!!
Blimey, those are extremely well painted flags.
:-bd =D> :-bd
Begs the question, "What would they look like if you had taken good quality photos?"
Well, you caught me, i made the pics out of focus on purpose to hide the mistakes! =)
:o :o :o
:-bd =D> :-bd =D> :-bd =D> :-bd
I'm really up for that tutorial now, before i get stuck in to more of the lads with my new brushes.
Quote from: Javier Gomez on 24 January 2015, 07:08:24 PM
Well, you caught me, i made the pics out of focus on purpose to hide the mistakes! =)
;D ;D
You are too modest, Javier (or should we call you
Gomez - like in the Addams Family? :)).
We have already seen
good quality photos of your other units earlier on in this thread and I'm sure
good quality images of these new photos would not disappoint.
[Although just to be on the safe side .... perhaps you should keep the camera battery charge low .... ;)]
Very nicely done indeed 8)
Lovely work on those flags! =D> =D> =D>
Mollinary
I filed the cuff flaps to make the Saxon cuffs
:'(
Well Worth a look (pun intended!)
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152992
Gosh! What a fantastic museum. Must go in the near future.
.. and so the pressure builds! This period is getting more and more alluring! A lot of great exhibits there. Is this the one in Gravelotte? Seeing it makes me slightly regret focusing on the SYW and Napoleonic sections in the Heer museum in Vienna (but perhaps an excuse to go back?) - but to be fair, I wasn't fully physically fit having to hobble round with a walking stick at the time ...... which brings me on to you Leman; hope you are feeling better soon. Regards.
Quote from: Westmarcher on 25 January 2015, 07:10:05 PM
.. and so the pressure builds! This period is getting more and more alluring! A lot of great exhibits there. Is this the one in Gravelotte? Seeing it makes me slightly regret focusing on the SYW and Napoleonic sections in the Heer museum in Vienna (but perhaps an excuse to go back?) - but to be fair, I wasn't fully physically fit having to hobble round with a walking stick at the time ...... which brings me on to you Leman; hope you are feeling better soon. Regards.
Yes, it is the new one in Gravelotte, and well worth a visit!
Mollinary
Because of the writings and postings here I have started painting my FPW stuff. (The only problem is it's in 6mm Irregular blocks.)
Wow, what a great looking museum. One day a trip to the battlefields of France and Belgium is in order.
Great museum indeed, I think it was organized a 1870-1914 Congress there last year http://www.verdun-meuse.fr/images/pages/Programmecolloque1870.pdf
Ah Sub, what a coincidence. I am feeling a lot better thanks, so the antibiotics appear to be working. And I am just finishing another set of Irregular Prussian infantry blocks. The 10s are definitely going to end up doing duty with Field of Battle 2, for which I bought some specific cards a couple of years back. Want to use my figures in conjunction with some of the latest Esconografia buildings. Also have a starfort to paint up and man with big guns. Lets see if the Prusskies can take that. So then 6s will be 3-7 bases to a brigade/division and the 10s will be 4 bases to a battalion. Hoping to post a few more photos in the next couple of weeks.
Quote from: Leman on 25 January 2015, 10:37:33 PM
Ah Sub, what a coincidence. I am feeling a lot better thanks, so the antibiotics appear to be working. And I am just finishing another set of Irregular Prussian infantry blocks. The 10s are definitely going to end up doing duty with Field of Battle 2, for which I bought some specific cards a couple of years back. Want to use my figures in conjunction with some of the latest Esconografia buildings. Also have a starfort to paint up and man with big guns. Lets see if the Prusskies can take that. So then 6s will be 3-7 bases to a brigade/division and the 10s will be 4 bases to a battalion. Hoping to post a few more photos in the next couple of weeks.
I've heard great things on Field of Battle
I'll get a few buildings and have me a small scrap, maybe taking an important crossroads; something along those lines to break in my fellow gamers.
Quote from: Leman on 25 January 2015, 10:37:33 PM
Ah Sub, what a coincidence. I am feeling a lot better thanks, so the antibiotics appear to be working. And I am just finishing another set of Irregular Prussian infantry blocks. The 10s are definitely going to end up doing duty with Field of Battle 2, for which I bought some specific cards a couple of years back. Want to use my figures in conjunction with some of the latest Esconografia buildings. Also have a starfort to paint up and man with big guns. Lets see if the Prusskies can take that. So then 6s will be 3-7 bases to a brigade/division and the 10s will be 4 bases to a battalion. Hoping to post a few more photos in the next couple of weeks.
Satrfort hmmm, sounds good. Checked out the Battlepack and managed to get 12 x 3 block battalions out of it -6 line, 3 Guard and 3 zouave. For some reason there another 6 standard bases in the pack so I have ordered the line inf to finish them. So far 4 blocks painted and another 5 half done. Ma Subs is visiting the our son and missus =granddaughter for the rest of the week so I'm hoping to get them all done.
Indeed a good time to get stuck in. Will be getting on with my Prussians for an hour or so this evening.
Btw, anyone know of any company that would have a 10mm windmill model? That would look fantastic in any battlefield...
Quote from: Javier Gomez on 26 January 2015, 08:12:09 PM
Btw, anyone know of any company that would have a 10mm windmill model? That would look fantastic in any battlefield...
There's a windmill in the Eastern Front pack of painted buildings from Escenografia: http://www.pendraken.co.uk/EPS-EF01-p6952/ (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/EPS-EF01-p6952/)
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/EF01.jpg)
Faller produce one in N gauge for model railways, and Leven miniatures produce a nice 6mm one which might be compatible?
Mollinary
Hovels
Quote from: mad lemmey on 26 January 2015, 09:12:35 PM
Hovels
ML, I think the Hovels one is 15mm, but at least it is illustrated on their site in the European section, and might suit Javier's objectives. Personally, I prefer going down a scale for buildings, so would go for 6mm scale, but it is a matter of personal taste.
Mollinary
If it were me I'd make one.
If it's six millimetres than Timecast do a lovely one! ;)
Quote from: mad lemmey on 26 January 2015, 10:13:00 PM
If it's six millimetres than Timecast do a lovely one! ;)
I second that! :D
Mollinary
I would have thought that a windmill needed to be over-scale rather than under, if only to make it stand out.
Quote from: mollinary on 26 January 2015, 09:16:03 PM
ML, I think the Hovels one is 15mm, but at least it is illustrated on their site in the European section, and might suit Javier's objectives. Personally, I prefer going down a scale for buildings, so would go for 6mm scale, but it is a matter of personal taste.
Mollinary
I agree with you, it's better to downscale. If I don't already have lots of 10mm painted buildings I would definitely go for 6mm ones to match the 10mm figures. That makes sense for big battles of course, not for small actions with big battalions. But having all the remaining buildings in 10mm a windmill in 6mm would look a bit bizarre. On Hovels, although their resin cast is always downscaled, in the past I tried to mix Timecast 10mm pieces with Hovels 15mm for my WW2 10mm collection and although Hovels' where mainly ruins they didn't work very well with the others. Maybe I'll go for the Escenografia Epsilon one (actually the guy is a friend of mine!). Thanks for your help!
His French buildings look extremely good.
Quote from: Leman on 27 January 2015, 09:48:08 AM
His French buildings look extremely good.
I'll try to convince him to make a 10mm European windmill
Meanwhile I build the Saxons I made a couple of German army commanders stands. Besides the generic generals Pendraken oddly just released King Wilhelm and Moltke, and none of them was a field commander. So I decided to make a couple of conversions:
König Prinz Friedrich Wilhelm: I used King Wilhelm's figure beheaded body and put Moltke's head instead, adding a putty beard
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Prinz Friedrich Karl: I used the body of the Württemberg general but with a Prussian hussar's head. In the background a Prussian hussar was converted in a courier, delivering the message to an artilleryman officer turned on a staff officer.
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Pics taken with the phone, still struggling with the camera's battery.
Those are lovely 8).
Very, very good. Pictures look good, even from a phone.
Super conversions, Javier. 8)
Very nice and inspirational.
Excellent work Javier,
kev
Those are brilliantly brilliant! (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)
Superbly done 8)
Like these. =D> :-bd
Excellent work! :D
Mollinary
Thanks for the comments! When painting hundreds of times the same figure over and over again to build these armies it's nice to be able to give your personal touch to your collection with an unique piece, and conversions at this scale are soooo easy to do! I encourage you!
:-bd =D> :-bd =D> :-bd =D>
Inspiring
Stunning! But stop my will is weakening........must not collect FPW>>>>>> :o
Terrific work !!
Cheers - Phil
QuoteBut stop my will is weakening........must not collect FPW
Well I've just bought Bruce Weigle's 1870 rules as a reference book along with Howards' history of the war, so I can see myself succumbing at some point this year. Sadly my painting won't be as good :(.
You couldn't have picked a better place to start Steve. Even if you never buy a figure there is still so much to get into these days. when I started it was Michael Howard, They died for Glory, Les Gens Brave (the two period specific rule sets) and any odds and ends being run off on roneos by various enthusiasts. If you do get into the period the Continental Wars Society is well worth looking up. A goldmine of information and ideas at a very reasonable price.
Les Gens Brave, that's the other set of rules I have. Both seem to be interesting although Bazaine seems, at first glance, to be a tad convoluted when it comes to C and C/Movement. I should imagine it would ewt easier as they are played but I will see.
I have Bruce Weigle's two other books that are superb, so knew what I was getting with 1870 as it were. His 1871 rules sound interesting and will be show cased at Colours in September. Luckily for me I have been invited to play in the game which is a great honour. I just pity anyone who is on my side!
It's been a while I don't post anything. Although I'm pretty busy these days my painting desktop wasn't quiet at all. More pics soon!
Excellent news Javier. Looking forward to those.
Hello!
Finally I've found some time to take some pics for you. I'm still working on Saxons and I'm about to complete my Bavarians, but in the meanwhile I painted a few special stuff, such as these Brunswickers with hand painted flag and converted artillerymen.
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And also some some command stands to match the Prussian ones I posted a few weeks ago. This time I made a command stand with Bazaine and staff. The Empress Dragoon ADC is a conversion using the French artillery officer included in the artillery limber or caisson packs, actually I just needed to change the head.
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And finally an overall commander stand on a 5cm diameter Renedra base with Napoleon III and staff. The Emperor is on horseback escorted by a Garde de Cent in full dress. A Guard Lancer (again the same artillery officer than before) ADC in full dress brings news from the front. On foot, generals and officers draw the battle plan on a table (the table and the two figs behind it from Pendraken WW2 Germans range). And the horseholder from the ACW range.
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Superb! Fantastic! Wow!
They are brilliant Javier :-bd
Love those, particularly the ADC conversions! And every army needs some Brunswickers, they are so cool. 8)
Mollinary
Been looking forward to your next exhibition, Javier - definitely worth the wait! Great work (as usual). =D>
Really nice. The bold colours are very striking.
Beautiful work, my compliments!
Rob
Thanks a lot! Now I'm planning a base with King Wilhelm, Moltke and Bismarck plus staff, and I hope to be able to run a game soon!
Cheers
Beautiful stuff, love the command stand in particular - I'm a sucker for a diorama base!
Just out of interest, is the windmill home made and if so, do you have any other pics showing more of it? I fancy having a go at a 6mm version.
I think the windmill is one of the Escenografia Epsilon ones, available from Pendraken - I have one myself. It's quite small and might do for 6mm. Leven Miniatures (http://www.levenminiatures.co.uk/) have a couple of lovely windmills in their range too.
Eastern Front Farmstead (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/EPS-EF01-p6952/)
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Quote from: Ithoriel on 03 March 2015, 03:27:54 PM
I think the windmill is one of the Escenografia Epsilon ones, available from Pendraken - I have one myself. It's quite small and might do for 6mm. Leven Miniatures (http://www.levenminiatures.co.uk/) have a couple of lovely windmills in their range too.
Eastern Front Farmstead (http://www.pendraken.co.uk/EPS-EF01-p6952/)
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/EF01.jpg)
And Timecast have a very nice one as well!
Mollinary
Quote from: Subedai on 03 March 2015, 02:58:49 PM
Just out of interest, is the windmill home made and if so, do you have any other pics showing more of it? I fancy having a go at a 6mm version.
Yes, Escenografia Épsilon. I bought also a few French houses, very nice stuff.
I have two packs of the Escongrafia buildings; they're really good ;)
Nah, I prefer to build my own buildings and terrain. just looking for some inspiration.
Quote from: Subedai on 03 March 2015, 06:24:24 PM
Nah, I prefer to build my own buildings and terrain. just looking for some inspiration.
Would love to; barely have enough time to paint and game as it is. :(
Great work and such nice dioramas for the command stands 8).
:-bd =D> :-bd =D> :-bd
Love those. Finished my dragoons only to find I'd put them on the wrong sized stands. What a muffin! fortunately I now base up using PVA so redone, only to discover they were my last bases, so now I have to put another order in.
Quote from: Leman on 04 March 2015, 09:09:36 AM
Love those. Finished my dragoons only to find I'd put them on the wrong sized stands. What a muffin! fortunately I now base up using PVA so redone, only to discover they were my last bases, so now I have to put another order in.
Ah yes, the base-drought. In the days when I just used artists' mounting board it didn't bother me, but now I'm addicted to laser-cut bases I have to do more re-stocks than Tesco.
By the way, I'm besotted (there's a word you'll probably have to look up!) with the command stands, Javier. Converting 10mm figures needs a watchmaker's skill, in my opinion.
I've had a go at converting and have found the little double ended tool sold by GW to be very useful. Started painting my converted dismounted dragoons today so hope to post next week.
#Hertsblue. I still use shop display card 1/8" thick which fortunately is the same thickness as the pre-cut ones. Although I buy some of the smaller square or oblong bases, I normally only buy the circular bases because I haven't mastered the knack of cutting them with a craft knife yet. :)
#Leman. Liked the basic conversion pics and looking forward to seeing them painted. I am lucky in that I have a Japanese style modelling saw, several pin vices and a rechargeable Dremel so I've got most conversion projects covered. Unfortunately, not many of them have any use whatsoever for 6mm figures which is what I am currently working through.
For round bases I use either 1 pence / 5€ cent coins for divisional commanders (2 figures), wood oval bases for corps commanders (3 figures) and Renedra plastic 4 cm diameter for Army commanders and 5 cm diameter for Napoleon stand. For anything else I cut my own square bases from 1,5mm fine arts cardboard, I buy 1x1m sheets that is cheap and longs forever.
On conversions, used to do that on 28mm it results to me ridiculous easy on smaller scales. The problem is not do do it, but figure out what exactly do you want to do. The same than the command stands, to design the final composition may well take me more time than painting the figures!
Cheers
My new En Cobertura's terrain features are already home! 60x60cm latex sheets with roads and rivers, already painted. Roads have about 5cm wide (check the regiment marching) and rivers average wide about the same. Perfect size for 10mm, can't wait to use them in my next game!
I just hope to have some time to paint this weekend, I've plans to start the Prussian Guard
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Just spent five minutes looking at that thinking "well, that looks a bit big girlies' pants".
They need cutting out, don't they?
Quote from: fsn on 13 March 2015, 05:21:34 PM
Just spent five minutes looking at that thinking "well, that looks a bit big girlies' pants".
They need cutting out, don't they?
Initially I thought the road was nice but who wants a windy road around a mountain, then I scrolled up a bit and saw the wetlands; went to Page 2 and saw your comment and had an immediate light bulb moment.
Phew, I'm glad you posted before I did.
Like the look of those rivers and roads; where are they from Javier?
Quote from: getagrip on 13 March 2015, 07:03:11 PM
Like the look of those rivers and roads; where are they from Javier?
Google En Cobertura, it's a guy from Malaga
Quote from: fsn on 13 March 2015, 05:21:34 PM
Just spent five minutes looking at that thinking "well, that looks a bit big girlies' pants".
They need cutting out, don't they?
Yes, they need to be cut out but seems very easy
Hi! After a long silence I resumed my paintings and gaming! Here a few pics of last night game, St. Privat sector of Gravelotte-St. Privat battle. My new Saxons and Prussian Guards had their baptism of fire with no much luck. In fact the Prussian line and the Brunswickers earned all the glory, as well as the French line cavalry –those gallant fellows made a desperate charge to prevent the deployment of the Prussian guns at close range, what they did indeed but at a high cost!
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I think that one of the chasseurs has a gaiter button missing.
That's just jealousy - what I mean is :o
Excellent in every aspect. Truly inspiring.
I'd love to have a game now, but my table space is filled with my daughter's stuff as she's just left university! :(
Stunning work Javier, what a sight.
kev
A great looking game, cracking figures, and I really like the rolling terrain.
Great to see more of your wonderful figures again, Javier. :-bd
Looks amazing, welcome back!
Fantastic! And great to see all those beautiful hand painted flags on show - well done! :-bd =D> =D> =D>
Mollinary
Absolutely stunning work. Love the French 3rd Hussars charging up the hill. Superb terrain!
Quote from: fsn on 27 June 2015, 07:38:42 AM
I think that one of the chasseurs has a gaiter button missing.
I'd love to have a game now, but my table space is filled with my daughter's stuff as she's just left university! :(
Indeed, I also noticed the officer has his collar unbuttoned ... unforgiveable lapse Javier! ;D
Lovely figures and terrain, thank you for sharing
Superb ! =D>
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: cameronian on 27 June 2015, 11:01:59 AM
Indeed, I also noticed the officer has his collar unbuttoned ... unforgiveable lapse Javier! ;D
Ah, Javier shows real attention to detail! It is a little known Prussian army tradition dating back to an incident at Ligny, when Old Father Blucher was unhorsed in a cavalry charge and one of his collar buttons was from its place untimely ripped. Knowing the old man's attention to detail, and not wanting to embarrass him, Gniesenau ordered all the staff officers to rip off one of their own buttons in the same way. Since that day, on every day that the army took the field, an officer was chosen at random from within the army to rip off his button in tribute to Old Marshall Vorwarts! :D ;)
Mollinary
PS. Well... Not really, but it is about as plausible an explanation as most explaining regimental traditions!
A work of art
Mollinary,
Brilliant, but you forgot to state how the lot is drawn...
I expect the full con Fluffywitz quote...
Con Fluffywitz presumably was the Spanish liaison officer who had recently shaved off his mutton chops.
You goon Leman! that would be Sin Fluffywitz. This one has obviously grown them in honour of Emperor Franz Josef and has come to France via Vienna.
Dashed autocorrect,
I of course was referring to Von Fluffywitz! Gah!
Confused with il Barone con Fluffiuitzi, of course.
Stunning figures and terrain 8). Well done =D>
:-bd =D> :-bd =D> :-bd =D>
Wow those look great, thanks for sharing!!!
Thanks a lot for all your comments. Next step: more Bavarians and Gardes Mobiles to represent battles of the Republican period.
Quote from: mollinary on 27 June 2015, 12:17:43 PM
Ah, Javier shows real attention to detail! It is a little known Prussian army tradition dating back to an incident at Ligny, when Old Father Blucher was unhorsed in a cavalry charge and one of his collar buttons was from its place untimely ripped. Knowing the old man's attention to detail, and not wanting to embarrass him, Gniesenau ordered all the staff officers to rip off one of their own buttons in the same way. Since that day, on every day that the army took the field, an officer was chosen at random from within the army to rip off his button in tribute to Old Marshall Vorwarts! :D ;)
Mollinary
PS. Well... Not really, but it is about as plausible an explanation as most explaining regimental traditions!
Mollers it was a French officer's collar ...
=O =O
Quote from: cameronian on 29 June 2015, 07:15:53 PM
Mollers it was a French officer's collar ...
But what is so unusual about a French officer's collar button being undone??? :o. :-\. ;D
And so, you didn't notice the Prussian one? Time for new glasses? ;)
Mollinary
I suggest we rename you Moriarty and not Mollinary !
Incredible work javier absolutely inspiring and yet at the same time soul crushing that I'll never be able to a paint like that!
Quote from: Adam west on 24 July 2015, 04:28:34 AM
Incredible work javier absolutely inspiring and yet at the same time soul crushing that I'll never be able to a paint like that!
Well said, you may be surprised how well the figures paint up ;) :)
Quote from: Adam west on 24 July 2015, 04:28:34 AM
Incredible work javier absolutely inspiring and yet at the same time soul crushing that I'll never be able to a paint like that!
I disagree, it's really easy to paint these minis with great results! It's just a matter of technique and using the right colors, as always. No special talent needed.
Quote from: Javier Gomez on 24 July 2015, 06:38:52 AM
I disagree, it's really easy to paint these minis with great results! It's just a matter of technique and using the right colors, as always. No special talent needed.
I was practicing in a bunker down in Texas and this good old boy with a big hat stopped to watch. The first shot he saw me hit went in the hole. He said, "You got 50 bucks if you knock the next one in." I holed the next one. Then he says, "You got $100 if you hole the next one." In it went for three in a row. As he peeled off the bills he said, "Boy, I've never seen anyone so lucky in my life." And I shot back, "Well, the harder I practice, the luckier I get." That's where the quote originated.
Gary Player, Gold Digest, 2002
I have painted up some Prussians for the my Project 50 using one of Javier's techniques for 10mm, as described in his book, 'Painting Wargaming Figures.' The results were noticeably an improvement on my previous technique at the very first attempt. It was relatively easy and an awful lot quicker. I also found it worked better using individual basing of figures rather than painting rods. This is what I use:
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Very impressive....and useful tip you're passing on there, 'Bob'. :-bd
If you find it's quicker and easier.....Bit of a 'no brainer'.
If I ever get the chance to get the paints out 'properly' again, I'm pretty sure I'll be using this method.
Only tried the 'spatula method' once.....Just couldn't get on with it. :(
Cheers - Phil
Very nice!
But... what's the "spatula method"?!
Quote from: Javier Gomez on 24 July 2015, 06:38:52 AM
I disagree, it's really easy to paint these minis with great results! It's just a matter of technique and using the right colors, as always. No special talent needed.
I agree, in my opinion anyone can paint. Over the years I have tried any number of different painting techniques and that is all it is - technique. You need a bit of patience when you are learning a new technique and it seems to take a while to master but once it's there it's like riding the proverbial bike. Look at the work of Javier and Matt of Munslow, black undercoat and all your deep shading is done for you so you are already halfway there. I tried different styles on my 10mm Mongol Project but have decided to revert back to black undercoat for anything else I do in that scale. The fiddly bits like a 'T' face come with time. The use of bright colours -sometimes a bit lighter than they really should be coupled with a nicely presented base of contrasting colours and you are there so
a lighter base will enhance bright figures and contrast dark coloured ones. DON'T use dark bases for chaps with dark colours.
Quote from: toxicpixie on 24 July 2015, 01:48:11 PM
Very nice!
But... what's the "spatula method"?!
Wot he said :)
Have I used the wrong word ?
You know......Those wooden 'thingys' that look like they could be tongue depressors from ancient times.
Sticking the figures to those, and painting them in 'strips', rather than individually.
Say, aaaaah ! - Phil :D
Yep, that's what I call a painting rod. It's ok but it does make some areas very hard to reach which can spoil the look of a figure if not done with care, e.g. the side of the face behind a raised sword arm can be tackled if the figure is on an individual stand, but is much more tricky if there are figures fixed either side of it.
Ah yes, the method is use these days :D the trick is angling the figures appropriately and not cramming too many on to block access...
I've been on the Forum a while but, for some reason, haven't looked at this thread before.
Magnificent figures, flags and terrain. Simply wargaming at its best and very inspirational.
Well done !
Interesting to see the very effective painting technique used. I spend time adding a couple
of layers of highlights but the figures don't look half as effective as these. You really have
got this down to a fine art.
The down side is that it is too inspiring and makes you want to divert from your current
project and try FPW. I just don't have enough hours in the day or cash to finish all the
projects I want to do.... :'(
Anyway, very much looking forward to the next installment of pictures.
Phil
Quote from: Techno on 25 July 2015, 06:26:19 AM
Have I used the wrong word ?
You know......Those wooden 'thingys' that look like they could be tongue depressors from ancient times.
Sticking the figures to those, and painting them in 'strips', rather than individually.
Say, aaaaah ! - Phil :D
I thought you were talking about a painting method... How do you use a spatula to apply paint to 10mm figures :-/
Quote from: toxicpixie on 25 July 2015, 08:01:05 AM
Ah yes, the method is use these days :D the trick is angling the figures appropriately and not cramming too many on to block access...
Exactly, I tend to space figures out at about 2cm, more if the pose requires it
Quote from: paulr on 26 July 2015, 01:03:00 AM
I thought you were talking about a painting method... How do you use a spatula to apply paint to 10mm figures :-/
Well....
Obviously you sharpen one end of the spatula to an ultra fine point, and dip that in the paint.
HAH !
Thinking about that
particularly silly idea.....
Decades ago when I played Subbuteo, I used to sharpen the end of a wooden cocktail stick, and use that as a 'brush' to paint numbers on the backs of the players. :)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Glorfindel on 25 July 2015, 08:05:30 AM
The down side is that it is too inspiring and makes you want to divert from your current
project and try FPW. I just don't have enough hours in the day or cash to finish all the
projects I want to do.... :'(
That's not a downside! You definitely should try FPW. Listen to the voices ...
Chris
Bloody Big BATTLES!
Https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BBB_wargames
Http://bloodybigbattles.blogspot.co.uk
If the spatula/painting stick/tongue depressor doesn't work for you, how does Nick H's "base then paint" approach :D
I've tried the cocktail stick a couple of times for "detail" work on larger figures but always revert to a stiff small brush. Just feels easier...
When I first started wargaming back in 1970 and couldn't afford a decent brush -Christmas in the future and birthday just gone- I tried using a cocktail stick for detail. Stuck it for oh, must have been...at least...about...15 mins. Never since.
The VERY first figures I slapped any paint on ( at all) would have been the dear old Airfix WWII Brits and Germans.
I used a pin, dipped in Humbrol enamel paint. to give the Brits dark emerald green helmets ( X_X....C'mon...I didn't know any better..I was 6 or 7) And that 'chalkie' Airfix 'Flesh' (Inna bottle ;)) to do the hands and faces.
Hmmmm....We're getting very 'off topic' now.
Perhaps a new thread, team ?....."Your first attempts at painting".
Cheers - Phil
However, I would echo Chris' thoughts above; you really must give FPW a go, and then get dragged off down the road of buying an Austrian army which then gives two further wars. Compared with when my interest first started (late 70s) there is now so much more information, rules and figures for this and other related conflicts.
Just noticed my links in my last post had an http too many. In case anyone was stymied by that and would actually like to see them:
Bloody Big BATTLES! Yahoo group:
https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BBB_wargames/info
My BBB blog:
http://bloodybigbattles.blogspot.co.uk/
Chris
Hi,
All the beautiful pictures of the figures so fanatstically painted has swayed me to buy the pendraken range.
I noticed a mention of the rule set 1871 [I presume of the 1870/1866 stable] being showcased at Colours, which i hope is Colours in the UK in september. Who will be doing the game? As i would like to see the rules in action.
I have been wanting to get into the F-P war for a while but had never found a good set of rules until i stumbled across 1870 a couple of months ago, as yet haven't played them as been wavering between various manufactures and scales.
Nigel
Bruce Weigle himself will be doing the game, with various of us UK guys helping out.
Mollinary
Thanks mollinary,
Will find the game during downtime in running the wings of war participation game, that we always run at various shows.
Fantastic that the rule author/designer is going to be there.
Will it be possible to join in at all?
Nigel
Quote from: magwr on 31 July 2015, 07:24:51 PM
Hi,
All the beautiful pictures of the figures so fanatstically painted has swayed me to buy the pendraken range.
Nigel
And as that was your first post......
A very warm welcome to the forum, Nigel. :-h
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: magwr on 31 July 2015, 09:39:06 PM
Thanks mollinary,
Will it be possible to join in at all?
Nigel
I know Bruce wants to make it a participation game, so hopefully you should get a shot. Come along and say hello!
Mollinary
Hope ypu've got enough space to stage the 1870 scenarios. I did it in 6mm and found I didn't have enough space for the likes of Mars La Tours. I also found the games tended to go on forever, which is not my cup of tea either. The ruleset, Bloody Big Battles has solved both those problems for me. The strength of the 1870 rules for me, these days, is the wealth of information and orbats included. The same strengths go for 1859, 1866 and I assume the forthcoming 1871.
I'm coming down for the weekend myself so I'll see you there; have been trying to meet up with Bruce for years but one thing or another always gets in the way.
Hi,
Javier, Do you spray your figures with a Matt varnish, to protect them?
Although I have the 1859/1866/1870 rule sets, I also have 'they died for glory' I like the wealth of information in the 1870 lot, but feel the TDFG would be a faster play to start with. What rules sets do people use and what is the preferred ones out of curiosity?
Found a yahoo group for TDFG but it seems dead as I tried to join but no reply to my request. I have found an errata document for TDFG but it's missing some charts, is there a source for the complete errata?
Look forward to meeting people at colours and having a crack at the game. :-bd
Nigel
OK Javier, time for the Austrians now :D
QuoteWill it be possible to join in at all?
It should be Nigel. Those of us helping out are to make sure that there are actually some chaps playing the game from the off. Bruce staged a game at Triples (?) a couple of years ago and hardly had any interest at all :o :(. I will be there for some of the day but am helping out on another table as well, so really need to clone myself :D.
I never tried other rules on the period but I like very much Bruce Weigle rules and scenarios, I played 1870 many times: Wissembourg twice, Froeschwiller twice, Spicheren twice , Mars la Tour, St Privat, Borny, Beaumont twice and Châtillon, and this winter 1859 rules scenarios Melegnano and Magenta. The original 1870 rules were slightly biased in favor of the French in my opinion but with the new QRS available in the Grand tactical rules website, I find the rules very accurate. I don't plan a change of rules even if Mollinary's report on his St Privat battle in 2010 with TTLGBR was very interesting and impressive (I don't want to rebase my 16 000 Franco-Prussian miniatures!).
I played they died for glory for many years - in both 15mm and 10mm. Would still be up for a game of it with my 10s, although I have a preference for Les Gens Braves. Many years ago Wargames Illustrated/Miniature Wargames produced some articles on additional rules for TDFG from which I produced a Whistles and Bells playsheet. If interested in either or both PM me your address Nigel and I'll bung a copy in the post.
Hi,
Steve J, put me down as a helper for the game at colours. I will need to help set-up the wings game first. I will be able to help from then on. I expect I'll be needed occasionally to give some-one a break at the participation game, otherwise should be okay for the best part of the day to help out. With the occasional retail therapy forays of course.
Once I've done the business with wings will hunt the F-P game out. I will be easy to spot as i will be wearing a pale blue wings T-Shirt.
Nigel
Nigel,
Since Leman has mentioned my "Bloody Big Battles!" rules, let me add some more info about BBB. The initial reason for developing BBB was to make it possible for four players to fight the biggest FPW battles, on 6'x4', in an evening (3 to 4 hours play). The rulebook includes a complete FPW campaign of 9 linked scenarios for 9 of the biggest battles of the war. We fought the whole lot, 3 per day, in one 3-day weekend, 12 hours a day including breakdown and set-up time between games.
Whether BBB is your cup of tea depends very much on what kind of game you are looking for, of course. You can find some reviews on my BBB blog.
Chris
Bloody Big BATTLES!
https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BBB_wargames/info
http://bloodybigbattles.blogspot.co.uk/
Hi Chris,
Oddly enough i have looked at all the stuff i could find on your rules since Leman mentioned them in his post.
I tend to buy several sets of rules as i like to play a particular period at various levels, from Battalion [or smaller dependant on period] level to Army.
So i have already placed an order with Caliver books for the rules and the european supplement, ealrier today. :-bd
Plus was going to join the yahoo group as well, when i noticed your post.
nigel
Oh, great - thank you! I hope you'll like the books.
Chris
I too like the layered level approach which is how I use my 6mm and 10mm figures. The 6mm do duty on the big scenarios with small-scale terrain (3mm). The 10s fight smaller more detailed actions with either 6mm or 10mm terrain pieces depending on the level being played. I also tend to use the 10s for old-style imaginary scenarios using a rule system such as Field of Battle 2.
This thread is just... beautiful. Amazing work.
Agreed; it's a painting primer in its own right.
Quote from: magwr on 01 August 2015, 11:14:17 AM
Javier, Do you spray your figures with a Matt varnish, to protect them?
Sorry for the inexcusable late reply, shame on me! I did not use any varnish on these figures, too small and light to get scratched. But I'm a bit special on varnished, I recognize that a spray layer is always welcome.
Quote from: cameronian on 01 August 2015, 11:50:57 AM
OK Javier, time for the Austrians now :D
I considered it a number of times but due to my job and other commitments I turned a seasonal painter (I don't take a brush since late July) and I don't want to divert myself... still have plenty of French and Germans to paint... I hope to have time soon to upload my latest additions!
Quote from: Javier Gomez on 02 October 2015, 04:07:22 PM
I considered it a number of times but due to my job and other commitments I turned a seasonal painter (I don't take a brush since late July) and I don't want to divert myself... still have plenty of French and Germans to paint... I hope to have time soon to upload my latest additions!
Really looking forward to seeing the latest additions. I am just taking a break from basing my new 1866 Saxon Corps, over a 1,000 figures, painted to Fernando's showcase standard, put together from about every Pendraken 19th Century range under the sun. Need them to be in action at Problus early in November.
Mollinary
1000, you scaling down? ;)
That's strange. I was thinking of you (Javier) and a couple of other painters on the forum whose work I really admire. I look forward to seeing your next batch.
Moll - I'm sure I speak for many others - it would be really interesting to see how your own figures look.
Quote from: Westmarcher on 02 October 2015, 06:26:15 PM
That's strange. I was thinking of you (Javier) and a couple of other painters on the forum whose work I really admire. I look forward to seeing your next batch.
Moll - I'm sure I speak for many others - it would be really interesting to see how your own figures look.
Quote from: Westmarcher on 02 October 2015, 06:26:15 PM
That's strange. I was thinking of you (Javier) and a couple of other painters on the forum whose work I really admire. I look forward to seeing your next batch.
Moll - I'm sure I speak for many others - it would be really interesting to see how your own figures look.
Not sure what you mean by my "own" figures? I don't really have the time to paint as many as I would like myself these days, so I tend to paint samples and then send them off to Fernando to be turned into legions! These ones are all for the book "Holdfast" and I are writing on Koniggratz. We hope to have it ready for publication by SALUTE next year. We have played scenarios for the morning attack on the Holawald, for the Battle for the Swiepwald, and for a "what if" scenario assuming the Austrians didn't get sucked in to the Swiepwald but stayed where Benedek intended them to. Last weekend we tried the whole of Koniggratz on a single table using BBB rules. We now want to do the struggle for Problus, and possibly something involving the later cavalry battles. I might try and take a couple of extremely amateurish photos of the corps when it is finished, but I will rely on Leon's wizardry to get them on the forum.
Mollinary
Those are so gorgeous. The virbant colors, the various poses, and the pendraken sculpt quality just really makes a project stick out.
I'm going to run a game next Saturday October 24th in Alpha Ares wargame convention here in Barcelona www.alphaares.com. It will be a Froeschwiller demo game, over 1500 figures on the table, and I'll try a shot with 1870 rules, we'll see what happen. I'll keep you posted!
Sounds brilliant! Have a lot of fun and share photos please. :D
Looking forward to seeing that one.
Pics of the battle of Froeschwiller in Alpha Ares convention. Sadly it wasn't a game finally but a static diorama, I was in the organization and had to do a painting masterclass in the afternoon, so no time for games! I hope you enjoy the pics in any case.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/908/hGLsbw.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/p8hGLsbwj)
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The whole package is visually excellent and I love your painted standards.
More great inspiration.
Excellent. I've scrolled back and forwards through the pictures many times to see all the details.
The French are looking rather out numbered!
Is the infantry basing 30x30mm? It gives a good impression en masse, with a good number of figures, but doesn't look too crowded either.
Simply spectacular. Beautiful figures, vivid colours and superb scenery.
This deserves to part of something bigger - either specific to the FPW or as a
demonstration of wargaming art.
[Can I just ask - the fourth frame down - which units have the red/orange flags ?
I assume they are from one of the German States allied to Prussia.]
Phil
Great looking game!
Quote from: Glorfindel on 25 October 2015, 09:47:26 AM
[Can I just ask - the fourth frame down - which units have the red/orange flags ?
I assume they are from one of the German States allied to Prussia.]
Phil
Those are the Wurttembergers! And very impressive they are too
Mollinary
Gorgeous ! :-bd
Cheers - Phil
Beautiful figures, beautiful terrain as always Javier ... now, who are those handsome French chappies in the pale blue pantaloons ?
Absolutely beautiful. :)
Rob
Quote from: cameronian on 25 October 2015, 10:56:09 AM
Beautiful figures, beautiful terrain as always Javier ... now, who are those handsome French chappies in the pale blue pantaloons ?
I think they are the Tirailleurs Algerien, or Turcos, with their dress pantaloons rather than their workaday white ones.
Mollinary
Yes, they are Turcos, but the trousers are not dress, they are the colder weather woollen trousers. The white trousers were linen summer wear. For most of the republican phase of the war this is how the Turcos would have dressed. Similarly in battles such as Froeschwiller, fought in August, some of the Zouave units wore their white linen summer trousers.
Quote from: Leman on 25 October 2015, 12:35:09 PM
Yes, they are Turcos, but the trousers are not dress, they are the colder weather woollen trousers. The white trousers were linen summer wear. For most of the republican phase of the war this is how the Turcos would have dressed. Similarly in battles such as Froeschwiller, fought in August, some of the Zouave units wore their white linen summer trousers.
I stand corrected! :-[ :-[
My only excuse is I pressed post before I checked my sources - Leman is spot on.
Mollinary
:-bd =D> :-bd =D> :-bd =D>
As always
Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
Thanks guys!
Quote from: fred. on 25 October 2015, 09:43:37 AM
Excellent. I've scrolled back and forwards through the pictures many times to see all the details.
The French are looking rather out numbered!
Is the infantry basing 30x30mm? It gives a good impression en masse, with a good number of figures, but doesn't look too crowded either.
All my bases are 25mm wide, just change the depth: 20mm for infantry, 22mm for cavalry, 25mm (or what the piece need) for artillery.
Quote from: Glorfindel on 25 October 2015, 09:47:26 AM
Simply spectacular. Beautiful figures, vivid colours and superb scenery.
This deserves to part of something bigger - either specific to the FPW or as a
demonstration of wargaming art.
[Can I just ask - the fourth frame down - which units have the red/orange flags ?
I assume they are from one of the German States allied to Prussia.]
Phil
Yes, Württember –German could have colorful flags too! Note that they wear field caps rather than Pickelhaubes.
Quote from: cameronian on 25 October 2015, 10:56:09 AM
Beautiful figures, beautiful terrain as always Javier ... now, who are those handsome French chappies in the pale blue pantaloons ?
Yes, Turcos. I painted the three regiments, two with blue trousers, one with white summer trousers.
Take a look to my Bavarian Corps commander stand, questioning French prisoners (a wounded Turco, a zouave and an artilleryman)
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(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/910/OUJR41.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/paOUJR41j)
I could gaze at these pictures all day long. 8->
And great Command vignette! :-bd
Truly inspirational! =D>
Simply superb 8).
Blue Pantaloon Order, I see, I see.
Terrific ! 8)
Cheers - Phil
Amazing set up!8)
Wow, these are fantastic...
I'd love to do the Franco-Prussian war in 10mm, but none of my war gaming mates are interested in the period :-(
I might have to just go it alone..... Another project for next year then :-)
Rob
Go for it and take your time Rob. I've now built up Prussian, Bavarian, Austrian and French armies and have supplied myself with rules that can be used with an opponent or solo.
Do it Rob, its taken me 5 years to be able to put three decent armies into the field but most satisfying.
I have given up on trying to get my friends to join me in collecting 19th century. Though I am lucky in Turkey with at least two people who are really into it. For others I collect both armies, and set up games and if they wish to play they do. Always collect two opposed armies.
I always collect two sides, ensures you can still use them if someone moves, or drops out of your group for other reasons
I do coordinate with others so we have a mix, e.g. WWII naval I have Japanese & US (with a few Dutch & British for Java Sea) while Pierre the Shy has German, Italian, French & British
Quote from: paulr on 27 October 2015, 12:28:48 AM
I always collect two sides, ensures you can still use them if someone moves, or drops out of your group for other reasons
I do coordinate with others so we have a mix, e.g. WWII naval I have Japanese & US (with a few Dutch & British for Java Sea) while Pierre the Shy has German, Italian, French & British
I like to collect both sides too if possible, I also have 10mm WW2 Soviets and Germans
They are fantastic
Take care
Andy
If only I hadn't started FPW in 6mm years ago... if only...
Still; the 'collecting opposed sides' option has proven to be the best. I also had some armies finished in other scales and then turned out to be the only one playing the period in the end. Or friends who definitely are willing to collect and paint opposing armies but are so distracted by 'life events' that the opposing army never takes the field... an easy win but not a very satisfying one.
Also in scales like 20mm and up it is not very economical to do both sides in vast numbers.
I therefore now do both sides in most 10mm armies that I own. I should add some more Boers and AWI Americans myself in the future but for the other projects I'm pretty well self-serviced.
Cheers,
Rob
Hello friends! You can take look to the full photographic feature of the FPW game at http://www.alphaares.com/es/2015/10/29/fotos-froeschwiller-alpha-ares-2015/
And very tasty they are, too ! :-bd
Cheers - Phil
Matched opponents is a sine qua non for me too.
Just had a chance to look at the full photographic feature :-bd =D> :-bd =D> :-bd =D>
I like the grey puffs of smoke, are they cotton wool? Are they based or do they just sit on the table?
Dynamic stuff; that lot would scare the living bejasus out of me.
Sorry for resurrecting this thread (well, a little bit - always worth seeing these figures
again).
Anyway, I've just seen a recent episode of "Who do You Think You Are", featuring JK
Rowling (of Harry Potter fame) and it includes a section dealing with the aftermath of this
same battle (a large part of the French army streamed south straight through the village
of Brumath which included some of her relatives).
I only knew something of the Battle of Worth / Froeschwiller because this thread
inspired me to look. So, thanks to Javier Gomez !
As an aside, the episode also shows some of the houses that would have stood at the
time - excellent modelling inspiration.
Phil
Sounds useful. From what I know of the region the architecture is more German than French.
Just read through this thread. What an inspiration! I think these have to be the best Franco-Prussian 10mm troops I have ever seen. Wonderful.
(You don't have to stop with a pair, if the era's one of those really busy ones.)
And Bavarians are cool
You should also try and squeeze in some Black Brunswickers and some of the delightful cornflower blue and purple Saxon cavalry which operated away from XII Corps against the French Army of the North.
Quote from: Leman on 28 October 2016, 10:18:53 AM
some of the delightful cornflower blue and purple Saxon cavalry which operated away from XII Corps against the French Army of the North.
Purple? :o :o :o :o :o
Mollinary
:-t ^#(^
Saxon 2nd Horse regiment - dark purple-red collar and square cuffs.
Saxon 1st and 2nd Uhlans - dark purple-red collar and Polish cuffs.
Quote from: Leman on 28 October 2016, 03:55:13 PM
Saxon 2nd Horse regiment - dark purple-red collar and square cuffs.
Saxon 1st and 2nd Uhlans - dark purple-red collar and Polish cuffs.
I think this is a transliteration of "purpurrot" which I have usually seen translated as "crimson". Any of our native German speakers able to resolve this?
Mollinary
I think crimson is spot on as translation for purpurrot ;)
Thanks Szymon!
Mollinary
Quote from: FierceKitty on 27 October 2016, 11:25:25 PM
Words of wisdom.
I usually collect both armies as well.
League of Augsburg, ACW, 7YW(I'll end up doing multiple armies)
I want to do Crimea and FPW/APW but I hear the Crimea range is going to be revamped so I'll wait
Paint them any colour in the red/blue spectrum you like; the dying process was so hit and miss the Bavarians marched through Munich in the 1871 victory parade ion new uniforms described variously as Lilac or Violet :D
But he is right, technically.
Quote from: cameronian on 31 October 2016, 08:23:40 AM
Paint them any colour in the red/blue spectrum you like; the dying process was so hit and miss the Bavarians marched through Munich in the 1871 victory parade ion new uniforms described variously as Lilac or Violet :D
But he is right, technically.
Button colours were correct? :) I have to check my Saxons. I hope colours will be accepted by our uniform gurus.
Gentlemen
It's been a long without visiting this site, massive amount of work and other wargaming projects (including my own miniatures company) kept me quite busy, but lately I recovering my interest for the period and planning to resume my collection. After finishing some Saxon cavalry half painted under a coat of dust since 2015, not sure abour next move. Republican French would be the logical step but 1866 Austrians are very tempting...
My apologies if I left any unanswered post or private message!
1866 Austrians are indeed very tempting, as is the forthcoming(?) book on Koniggratz. Not sure whether it has been printed yet, although I did place a preorder with Ken Trotman many moons ago.
Hi Leman,
Am a bit surprised you haven't received your copy of Koniggratz yet. It was released at SALUTE last month, and I know that Richard Brown at Ken Trotman has been mailing out copies since then. Perhaps you should drop him an e mail?
Mollinary
Thanks, Andrew.
Yes, do - mine arrived the week after Salute, and it's been a good bed side reader since!