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Wider Wargaming => Genre/Period Discussion => Firelocks to Maxims (1680 - 1900) => Topic started by: sdennan on 10 January 2015, 02:28:49 AM

Title: Damn Rebs
Post by: sdennan on 10 January 2015, 02:28:49 AM
Hi Everyone

I have begun working on my Confederate markers.

I have a question regarding colours.

I use Vallejo paint and decided on Neutral Grey as my colour for Number Ones. As in Generals are in uniforms of neutral grey.

Then for the rank and file ihave the following greys

Stone Grey
Medium Grey


I read a suggestion for butternut as golden brown. Well it is what it said on the box, golden brown. Not sure if that is what butternut is.

My question is the following. Should pants and jacket be of different colours or stick with one colour on both but have each figure a different consistent colour? It seems ok with the different greys but the golden brown is rather bold compared to the greys.

Thanks in advance.

Simon
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: FierceKitty on 10 January 2015, 03:19:59 AM
Since butternut was home-made, I'm sure you can allow a lot of variation without doing undue violence to history.
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: paulr on 10 January 2015, 05:25:23 AM
I would suggest mixing colours of pants and jackets

One way of toning down and providing variety to the butternut would be to use a different highlights
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 10 January 2015, 08:19:05 AM
Think butternut is named after the outside of a butternut squash.
Dead tasty, especially in butternut and sweet potato soup!
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: FierceKitty on 10 January 2015, 09:09:59 AM
Or cook it in sections next to roast pork. :)
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Hertsblue on 10 January 2015, 11:15:35 AM
Doesn't wear too well though.

As far as home-made dyes are concerned, they were probably vegetable-based and therefore not particularly stable. They would probably fade badly over the weeks on campaign, so you can use a variety of shades of beige for your infantry.
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Subedai on 10 January 2015, 02:14:07 PM
Quote from: Hertsblue on 10 January 2015, 11:15:35 AM
Doesn't wear too well though.

As far as home-made dyes are concerned, they were probably vegetable-based and therefore not particularly stable. They would probably fade badly over the weeks on campaign, so you can use a variety of shades of beige for your infantry.

I would agree with that. The greater the range of colours, the better they look in my opinion.
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: howayman on 10 January 2015, 09:27:49 PM
Vary the greys as well, no such thing as a uniform uniform colour once the war got started.
Union trousers and jackets were used by the rebs if they needed them, so put some blue in there as well if you want.
Butternut was used later in the war 64/65ish as the coastal blockade bit deeper.
Hope to see them posted here once they're done.
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Leman on 11 January 2015, 10:05:59 AM
From my reading over the past 40 odd years on the ACW I have learnt a couple of important points about Reb uniforms, ao for what it is worth:

1. Uniforms were initially distributed in sets, but trousers wear out much faster than jackets.

2. The greatest use of butternut uniforms was 1862/3, after which time the Confederacy became much more proficient in acquiring grey uniforms.

3. As the war progressed the armies in the east, in particular, began to be supplied with quite a darkish blue grey uniform, which led to a number of friendly fire incidents, including the wounding of Longstreet in the Wilderness.

4. There were also friendly fire incidents against Confederates wearing union blue trousers, which led to an order requiring captured union uniforms being re-dyed.

To reflect this I now tend to give my units an overall colour scheme, be it grey or brown, with a small amount of variety in the jackets, and a little more variety in the trousers.

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Longstreet/IMG_0964_zpsffca40b1.jpg)

In this picture from a recent Longstreet campaign the rightmost Confederate unit has started the war in a mid-grey uniform, complete with havelocks. In this second battle some uniforms are being replaced by frockcoats (this is still early 62), and the shades of grey are changing.
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Hertsblue on 11 January 2015, 10:09:04 AM
Nice looking game, DP. But being hit in the Wilderness must have been really painful!
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Leman on 11 January 2015, 10:18:31 AM
You know hoe thick the bush is in that area.
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: FierceKitty on 11 January 2015, 11:04:00 AM
I thought GWB was thick wherever he was.
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Leman on 11 January 2015, 12:04:17 PM
He probably thinks the Wilderness is somewhere in Iraq, a desert country bordering Switzerland, where the Zulus live.
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Techno on 11 January 2015, 12:40:26 PM
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 11 January 2015, 10:18:31 AM
You know hoe thick the bush is in that area.

Don't call me a hoe !  ;)
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 11 January 2015, 12:57:20 PM
LOL!
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: sdennan on 11 January 2015, 07:06:21 PM
So perhaps various shades of grey in the same unit and maybe the odd unit in a regular uniform?
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Last Hussar on 11 January 2015, 07:46:04 PM
How many shades? 50?
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Leman on 11 January 2015, 08:12:40 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D - nice one Cyril!
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Techno on 12 January 2015, 07:32:25 AM
 X_X ;D ;D ;D.
Coat..... ;)
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Ithoriel on 12 January 2015, 09:31:10 AM
<snigger>
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 12 January 2015, 10:32:10 AM
WE really ought to sack Phil as cloakroom attendant..the coats are getting far too chewed these days.

IanS
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Techno on 12 January 2015, 10:41:56 AM
Well....Everyone will have to start wearing tweed, then.....You all know Nobby doesn't like the taste of that !!
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Damn Rebs
Post by: Hertsblue on 12 January 2015, 01:42:55 PM
How is he on carbon fibre? Well, they make sails out of it.