Things that irk me about the wargaming hobby (s0me of these I may have mentioned before):
* Things put on the table - especially dice
* Wargames magazines that only describe battles in specific rules terms
* Mixed poses pre-1900
* Commercially available rulesets
* Bases with logs, walls or other supposedly fixed items
* New versions and appendices to rulesets
* Rules that are imposed in the face of common sense
* Kneeling figures
* Over abundance of specialist and elite units
* Commercial rule sets
Things I like about the wargaming hobby (some of these I may have mentioned before):
* Things put on the table - especially dice, food, markers and measuring tapes
* Wargames magazines that describe battles in specific rules terms so I can filch relative stats
* Mixed poses, especially pre-1900
* Commercially available rule sets, even when I wind up amending them.
* "Diorama" bases with logs, walls, farm carts and other supposedly fixed items
* New versions and appendices to rulesets - even when I opt not to get or use them.
* Playing the rules as written when playing those not my regular opponents.
* Kneeling figures - though usually only when they're fire-arm equipped troops.
* An abundance of over-priced (in points and cost terms) specialist and elite units for others to buy and field.
* Commercial rule sets - a constant source of joy and inspiration.
It would be so boring if we all thought the same, no?
FSN - you're just a fuss pot! :P :Ph :P
....... although skirmishers who carry their own tree (or rock or log) around with them, receiving brand new expensive rules with addenda, mags that only describe games in terms of rules that I don't have, over abundance of specialist and elite units, trail spike holders playing hockey, etc. ...... er .... kind of irk me too! :-[
Rivet counters who stand at the side of a table and after enquiring about the pedigree of a unit pontificate loudly -usually in a variation of the Arthur Pewty voice- about the uniform being out of date.
Re-basing figures. I've now got to the stage where I write my own or adapt others to my base sizes which are mostly 60 x 40 for anything where close order formations were prevalent.
Wargamers who have all of the Guard troop type in their army but only two units of line. This can also include WW II German Tigers/ Russian IS 2's etc.
People who flaunt the letter of the ruleset in the face of all historical precedent.
There are probably a sh*tload more but I can't think of any at the mo.
Ithoriel - what a star:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1326_zps705cdced.jpg)
Logs, bushes, rocks, mixed poses, pre-1900 for a commercial rules set = Wargame Heaven!!!!!
Aaaaarrrghh!!!
DP those are truly awful, terrible, figures. I suggest you send them to me post haste so I can, err, lock them safely away and totally not play with them ever, for sure ;)
1) People who write negative lists.
B) or even B ) People who don't get irony
III) people who change counting systems halfway through a list.
;D ;D ;D
What annoys me is:
Those who want to win at all costs - including friendship
All the uber army players
Rivet/button counters
Rules lawyers (wa**ers)
Those who forget it is a game with toys
Cheers
Ian
I agree with many of the above (esp. junk cluttering the table), and others I'm sure I'd agree with if they overlapped my experience. May I add...
* players who won't learn to pick up my figures carefully;
* having to lock up the cats during a game
* players who invoke a rule I myself wrote but have forgotten, and use it to wipe me out (OK, I don't hate it as such. It's just humiliating and frustrating)
...?
By the way, may none of you, not even ***** and *****, ever come home from Italy to find that the fridge has been accidentally unplugged during the holiday, and not reconnected by the neighbours allegedly supervising the premises.
Pet hates
Unsportsmanlike conduct
Slow players
Painting horses
Basing figures
Figures lying down
Dice and their foibles
My inability to focus on and complete a project before the next one comes along
Winning games i shouldn't have
Losing games i shouldn't have
Overly complex rules
300 page £50 rulebooks that actually have 20 pages of rules in them
Multi-part figures
Pet likes
Sportsmanlike conduct
Pushing toys about with good friends
Army building
Good solid, single piece metal figures
Admiring an army an opponent has evidently put a lot of time into
The plethora of new 'accessories' that have come onto the market lately
Laser cut scenery
Quote from: Sandinista on 29 December 2014, 11:55:00 PM
What annoys me is:
Rules lawyers (wa**ers)Cheers Ian
Shouldn't 'warmongers' have more letters blanked out, Ian ? :D
Cheers - Phil
Rules lawyers.
Uber army players.
Drinking cups and food on the table.
Demo tables at show with NO info about the game.
My real pet hate is being down the club and trying my best to set up a good-looking game, when someone comes in with a greasy takeaway and proceeds to eat it off my table. Subtle hints did not work with this problem and finally I had to haver a hissy fit to eradicate it.
Pet hates
1. Poor personal hygeine at the table/convention/show
2. No shows close to home
3. Club nights being Friday nights (generally working most fridays)
4. No club gaming days over the weekend (miss them)
5. 2D Terrain tiles
6. Bad Losers
7. Bad Winners
8. Proxy armies - Space Marines as WW2 Commando's
9. No pics of ranges - like to see what I am buying before plunging
10. Lists of pet hates....
Number 10 is very true Nosher!
If we're re-visting the pet hate theme I agree with FSN's list to a greater or ;lesser extent but my pet hatred has got to be
INCHES >:(
We describe figures in millimetres and bases in terms of millimetres so why do so many (virtually all) rulesets persist in using bloody inches to measure distances on the table top?
Inches are anacronistic, lack flexibility and are impossible to relate to any ground scale, why can't rule writers who seem able to think up a a plethora of cunning rule mechanisms with every new set see beyond the inch and embrace the mighty metric system?????
But 1 km is 39 370.0787 inches, that's an easy calculation... ;)
Oh Nosher, absolutely agree about the poor personal hygiene at show :-&. One year at Reading I could smell on chap from two tables away!!!
DanJ, I love inches for wargaming, but then I've used them in my work all of my life :D.
QuoteBut 1 km is 39 370.0787 inches, that's an easy calculation
I hadn't realised it was that simple :D, I withdraw all objections to inches and will go away and stick all my 15/38" figures onto 1&11/19" by 15/19" bases.
Pet Hates
1. 28mm scale hobbyist rules writers who have no conception of smaller scales and think it is OK to scale down by changing measurements from inches to centimetres (e.g., 2 inch range becomes 2 cm - my eyesight can't cope! ~X()
2. Cleaning out the fish tank.
Since this is a list of wargaming pet hates, I can only assume Westmarcher, that you have a fully functional undersea play environment. Hunt for the Red October at Westmarcher's anyone?
Quote28mm scale hobbyist rules writers who have no conception of smaller scales and think it is OK to scale down by changing measurements from inches to centimetres (e.g., 2 inch range becomes 2 cm - my eyesight can't cope! )
That's because inches are anacronistic, lack flexibility, are impossible to relate to any ground scale and all recent rule sets are written by or on behalf of 28mm figure manufacturers to sell their figures.
Quote from: fsn on 30 December 2014, 10:44:35 AM
Since this is a list of wargaming pet hates, I can only assume Westmarcher, that you have a fully functional undersea play environment. Hunt for the Red October at Westmarcher's anyone?
I wish! 8->
I dont like dice towers or dice being rolled in dice cups..Too noisy and irritating
Quote from: Fenton on 30 December 2014, 12:07:45 PM
I dont like dice towers or dice being rolled in dice cups..Too noisy and irritating
I've just discovered the joys of dice drums .... you'd really hate those :-)
Is that like the toy you used to be able to get where you bounced the marbles across 3 drums?
Quote from: Fenton on 30 December 2014, 12:38:52 PM
Is that like the toy you used to be able to get where you bounced the marbles across 3 drums?
Circle of wood maybe 50mm high and 75-100mm across with a "drum-skin" base.
Drop the dice in. Pick up. Cover the top with a hand. Shake vigorously. Place back on table. Dice rolling without the risk they'll vanish under the table.
Drum skin means you can hear that the dice are being rolled and not just "shoogled" to leave all those face-up sixes in place :)
Quote from: Ithoriel on 30 December 2014, 12:51:41 PM
Circle of wood maybe 50mm high and 75-100mm across with a "drum-skin" base.
Drop the dice in. Pick up. Cover the top with a hand. Shake vigorously. Place back on table. Dice rolling without the risk they'll vanish under the table.
Drum skin means you can hear that the dice are being rolled and not just "shoogled" to leave all those face-up sixes in place :)
Shoogled????? When was that word invented?
30th December at approx 12.51pm by the looks of it
Shoogle (http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/scottish-word-of-the-week-shoogle-1-3059052) is a perfectly good Scots word.
As in "Your coat is on a shoogly peg, sonny!" - a phrase one might use in relation to people about to fall in disfavour.
Possibly for querying perfectly good words :D :D :D
Shooglenifty been playing acid croft music since about 1990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNWMwmwmz3U
All the uber army players. >:(
Unsportsmanlike conduct
Painting horses unless they are armoured!
Wargames magazings that are really manufacturer catalogues.
Dice cups/towers
People who dont throw dice properly
Rivet or button counters
People who paint an entire army in a week to a standard way above mine - There seem to be lots of them on this forum
The apostrophe.
Likes
Basing - its easy and feels really satisfying as you finish the figure/unit. I think I am alone in this?
Army organising and working out what to buy - perhaps thats why I have a lead mountain. :-\
TEASING FSN :D
Quote from: Steve J on 30 December 2014, 09:43:04 AM
Oh Nosher, absolutely agree about the poor personal hygiene at show :-&. One year at Reading I could smell on chap from two tables away!!!
It's even worse when your helping on a stand and the said person wants to chat to you for ages. Your torn between the potential sale and wanting to be able to breath.
Nosher - should you not add Redheads to your list or is "Hate" and inadequate word? :)
People who put on lots of posts instead of one in order to get promoted - can't think of anyone specific at the moment ;)
Quote from: FierceKitty on 30 December 2014, 12:07:31 AM
By the way, may none of you, not even ***** and *****, ever come home from Italy to find that the fridge has been accidentally unplugged during the holiday, and not reconnected by the neighbours allegedly supervising the premises.
Thats real bummer FK.
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 31 December 2014, 08:26:43 PM
People who put on lots of posts instead of one in order to get promoted - can't think of anyone specific at the moment ;)
Quite agree.
Disgusting innit?
How many posts to be a Maj Gen?
No
Idea
:D
I might add (and all in one post)
- people who have the game stopped regularly, to leaf through the rulebook to find that one rule that should allow them to do something advantageous
- people who maximize historical armies contrary to any historical standards, because they want to win at any cost
- tournaments
- cheaters
- people who do not take the trouble to read the rules, lose and complain that you have taken advantage of their lack of knowledge
- people who do not take the trouble to read the scenario, lose because they had no idea what the victory conditions were and complain that the scenario was unbalanced
- people who dismiss plastic figures because they don't "feel" right (makes me break out in a rash, I tell ya)
Hasn't this all been done before? Maybe we should make it an annual event... :P
I hate annual events. Only The Beano retains any of its old charms...
That's the first coat to be looked for, this year. ;)
Cheers - Phil
Thought wee'd sacked you Phil ?
Due to tooth marks on the coats.
IanS ;)
Pet hate: pets on the wargames table.
Pets on wargaming tables don't get me started. Once set up a huge 6mm modern game on a mates lounge floor when his parents were away, first day great, but...
During the night their dog got in and wee'd on the green base sheet.
A Soviet flank attack suddenly found themselves in a unmapped marsh. :D
Ah the good old days.
;D ;D ;D ;D - if you didn't laugh you'd have to cry.
Quote from: ianrs54 on 01 January 2015, 04:32:00 PM
Thought wee'd sacked you Phil ?
Due to tooth marks on the coats.
IanS ;)
I thought we cleared that up......It was forensically proved that it was Nobby who'd chewed them. ;)
Cheers - Phil.
It's how I know who owns each coat. :-[
By the way, I don't like the taste of tweed.
It's quite lovely if the laird has spilled his best single malt down it.
Yes, but whose is the dandelion and burdock?
Back to the subject at hand . . .
New rules (*cough* Victory At Sea) coming out that still use Imperial measurements. Come on people, we're in the 21st century now.
Especially irritating - rulesets that mix & match between metric & Imperial. I'm looking at you Kings Of War (base sizes all measured in millimetres, everything else in inches).
I appreciate that this particlular gripe may not meet with universal approval ;)
Cheers, Martyn
Quote from: Raider4 on 02 January 2015, 06:46:58 PM
Back to the subject at hand . . .
New rules (*cough* Victory At Sea) coming out that still use Imperial measurements. Come on people, we're in the 21st century now.
I think there are two aspects to this.
Firstly, there is the fact that a large number of wargamers (rules writers?) are old farts like me who grew up using imperial and still think that way, I certainly still think in terms of feet and inches (6x4 wargames table, 4x2 lump of wood for settling arguments in the car park etc), miles and gallons.
Secondly, I believe that USA have doggedly refused to adopt this French system of measurement so rules produced in the States or hoping to sell in quantity there use the good old imperial system.
Quote from: sunjester on 02 January 2015, 07:07:05 PM
Secondly, I believe that USA have doggedly refused to adopt this French system of measurement so rules produced in the States or hoping to sell in quantity there use the good old imperial system.
I KNEW the french would be to blame !!!
Yes, those bloody French with their 100 of this in that and 100 of that makes this instead of the much more sensible 12 of these makes one of these and three of these makes one of those and 1756 of those makes one of those. What the hell is up with the French sense of logic? (Then again I'm sitting here listening to Yelle so says it all really.)
It's to do with the length of a light wave...
:-h
Quote from: sunjester on 02 January 2015, 07:07:05 PM
4x2 lump of wood for settling arguments in the car park etc
We used 4x4 :D
I thought 4x4's used to settle arguments in a car park were "technicals" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_%28vehicle%29)
It's not the width, it's the length! ;D
That's not a plank, it's a bloody table top!
Remind me again - how many sixteenths of an inch in a furlong? No, on second thoughts, don't bother. =) =) =)
Well ... a furlong is 10 chains or 220 yards. This is 660 feet or 7920 inches. Therefore a furlong is 126,720 sixteenths of an inch.
I love maths! :D
Sorry, while you were working that out we packed up and went home...
Quote from: fsn on 03 January 2015, 10:46:45 AM
Well ... a furlong is 10 chains or 220 yards. This is 660 feet or 7920 inches. Therefore a furlong is 126,720 sixteenths of an inch.
I love maths! :D
That's not furry long :D
QuoteI think there are two aspects to this.
Firstly, there is the fact that a large number of wargamers (rules writers?) are old farts like me who grew up using imperial and still think that way, I certainly still think in terms of feet and inches (6x4 wargames table, 4x2 lump of wood for settling arguments in the car park etc), miles and gallons.
Age is no excuse for fartyness, wargamers should be at the cutting edge of life; despite having been born at a time when we were taught the rules for mutiplying half dozen and dozens by old coppers to arrive at a price in shillings (1 dozen thrupney stamps would cost 3 bob or a florin and a couple of tanners) I've managed to enbrace the metric on the wargames table simply because it works better.
Quote
Secondly, I believe that USA have doggedly refused to adopt this French system of measurement so rules produced in the States or hoping to sell in quantity there use the good old imperial system.
And yet the 'Good Ole Boys' across the Atlantic (it' not a pond, it's a bloody great big ocean) manage to cope with most of their guns and ammo coming along in metric sizes so even that's not consistent. I can almost hear the converstation,
Q "How far does this tank shoot?"
A "That 10mm model of the Sherman M4A1 can fire its 75mm gun twelve inches!" >:(
Flames of War at least allows both measurement systems...
Imperial is slightly further for 75mm gun 32"vs 80cm.
People who use a table edge to avoid being outflanked, instead of the right kind of troops, reserves, terrain or fortifications - and rules systems that let them.
Rules systems that are too random, or not random enough (need to get the balance right)
Rules systems that make some troop types virtually invulnerable
People claiming rolls are "practice rolls" if they don't roll high and then re-rolling.
People who argue for rules changes purely because they'd benefit their army.
Only one: people who take it way too seriously >:(
People who say "Can these rules be used with xxx size figures" ESPECIALLY if the size they want are smaller. Smaller models are probably closer to the ground scale. As long as relative footprint on the table is the same - Just put more (or fewer) figures on the base. Alternatively read inches as cm, and keep everything else the same.
Game designers. Not so much the rules, but the pointless instructions they feel it necessary to dictate.
1) Base sizes. PICK SOMETHING EASY TO MEASURE AND CUT. Fire and Fury uses 1 1/8th inch by 7/8th of an inch. WTF? In this household they are 30mm. (my 2 standard base sizes are 20mm and 30mm Warmaster I have on 20x40, but future armies will be 20x20 with 2 together, so I can use them in other games as single stands. The stands are not entirely unrelated to the fact that the compartments in the trays for Really Useful Boxes are 60mm square)
and while we are on it, Arty, how about your phrase
2) "Each stand should be modelled to be an attractive diorama.". I've got 100 bases, each of 5-7 figures, and the idea that I am going to sod about making interesting vignettes on each one is preposterous. And it may have escaped your notice, but soldiers tend to do the same as those around them, especially pre 20th century.
3) "If using 15 mm then multiply all distances by .66". See opening comment. Also, given that none of the measurements in the rules are divisible by 3, don't you thing "a half" would have been better?
4) Any introduction that tells you these are the best rules ever.
5) Intros that feel the need to explain what a wargame is, and what the period of history is. Who is buying these rules and DOESN'T know. (A pass to games that cover a wide period of history, such as BP, which point out other wars that can be covered, especially if no one has ever heard of them - bonus points to BP for exhorting us to ignore players of the 2nd Schweissig-Holstein war)
Quote from: Last Hussar on 08 February 2015, 12:38:56 PM
4) Any introduction that tells you these are the best rules ever.
Mmm, remember the way WRG used to preface EVERY dam' new set with the announcement that the archangel Gabriel had just given out this final and definitive set of rules which all gamingkind in common had craved since dice were first rolled? Followed by a turkey like 7th edition....
Quote from: FierceKitty on 08 February 2015, 12:48:16 PM
Followed by a turkey like 7th edition....
We agree on some things then....
IanS
If you're on small bases (40mm or less wide) with multiples making up a unit then in wouldn't worry about diorama-ing them... I prefer bigger based units though so I like the look of rocks, clumps of foliage etc all making an interesting looking unit. I wouldn't fuss about puttin the farrier on and having the generals horse shoed or dragoon stealing chickens or nco's telling off a working party etc etc.
I would. I love all those little extra touches.
Maybe on command bases or the baggage, but whilst I like my bases to be scenic I like units to be premierly unit-y :D
Quote from: FierceKitty on 08 February 2015, 12:48:16 PM
Mmm, remember the way WRG used to preface EVERY dam' new set with the announcement that the archangel Gabriel had just given out this final and definitive set of rules which all gamingkind in common had craved since dice were first rolled? Followed by a turkey like 7th edition....
It was WRG who made me give up Ancients for forty years. Them and certain players.....
Quote from: Hertsblue on 09 February 2015, 09:36:31 AM
It was WRG who made me give up Ancients for forty years. Them and certain players.....
Not from Nottingham and Pinnar by any chance...
had to sit on the London ones as an umpire once or twice.
IanS
Pinner, yes. We had some of them as members of our club too. They wandered off when it became clear we weren't interested in exploiting loopholes. Mind you, it was over thirty years ago.
Good weren't they....
They even lost the modern comp at Derby one year and made rude noises about our players cheating..
IanS
Nobody ever loses because his opponent played well. Rule one of wargames psychology.
2) "Each stand should be modelled to be an attractive diorama.".
Oh God yes, we had a chap (very nice bloke actually) who modelled his 28mm figures on great lumps of scenic complete with trees, gradients and I don't know WTF else; looked awful.
Quite right FK. Not only do I lose because my opponent plays well, but also because I have no sense of tactics whatsoever. However, I do enjoy painting pretty uniforms and building dioramas, so it seems churlish not to play.
What can you play with a diorama, Leman? (Yes, yes, I know. I've set off a whole string of ever less probable puns. :'()
I'd use a Di-o-rama to play Candle in the Wind. Though it sounds as if a sitar might be needed too.
Pet hate: Gamers who have a dislike of anyone who isn't British.
Quote from: Leman on 11 February 2015, 02:24:38 PM
Pet hate: Gamers who have a dislike of anyone who isn't British.
In the gaming sense ie they only want to play with the British side
Or
They dislike other people who are not white anglo saxons.
Bear in mind that I HATE EVERYBODY, PARTICULARLY FELINES
IanS :D
People who engage in relentless self-promotion to push their own ruleset as if it were the best thing since sliced bread was first served up in the Holy Grail, rather than just something modestly innovative built while standing on the shoulders of giants, and which is only ever going to be of interest to a fraction of the people they spam repeatedly because most wargamers are already perfectly happily playing one of the many other excellent games out there ... ;)
Chris
Bloody Big BATTLES!
https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BBB_wargames/info
Quote from: Hertsblue on 11 February 2015, 11:13:17 AM
What can you play with a diorama, Leman? (Yes, yes, I know. I've set off a whole string of ever less probable puns. :'()
I hate the way that an interesting or informative thread in this forum seemingly degenerates into a bunch of bad puns, or messages that only relate to some forum in-joke.
Cheers, Martyn
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Quote from: Raider4 on 11 February 2015, 05:08:47 PM
I hate the way that an interesting or informative thread in this forum seemingly degenerates into a bunch of bad puns, or messages that only relate to some forum in-joke.
Cheers, Martyn
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Yeah, me too :-[ :-[ :-[
We have no in jokes... Just really bad out jokes.
Puns yes.
My new pet hate: Serious competition Wargamers who want a ranking position above all else!
Especially when last year I was tenth in a comp and this year I was 57th!
QuoteI hate the way that an interesting or informative thread in this forum seemingly degenerates into a bunch of bad puns, or messages that only relate to some forum in-joke.
This generally happens after the serious replies have come in and seems common to many forums, at least this one doesn't degenerate into personal abuse.
Quote from: DanJ on 12 February 2015, 09:42:22 AM
This generally happens after the serious replies have come in and seems common to many forums, at least this one doesn't degenerate into personal abuse.
Hear hear ;)
This has to be the most polite, most respectful and most welcoming forum I've ever posted on :)
Quote from: DanJ on 12 February 2015, 09:42:22 AM
This generally happens after the serious replies have come in and seems common to many forums, at least this one doesn't degenerate into personal abuse.
It also keeps the occasional thread active so that, as the silliness peters out, more useful information gets posted.
For me it keeps the forum vibrant, provides the glue that keeps the forum cohesive, makes it harder for people to be pompous and provides an area that allows those with less knowledge of the subject to participate.
I'm on a couple of invite only e-groups where posts not entirely on-topic are strongly discouraged and they are largely places of sepulchral silence, punctuated by moments when one of the Olympians makes some sententious pronouncement which either drops into the void without a ripple or attracts other "experts" with contrary views and flame wars that could melt steel ensue. All but the most cautious newbies find themselves either drowned in more information than could possibly be useful or treated as ignorant peasants beneath contempt. I'd take the Pendraken forum and it's occasional lunacy over both of them.
Providing it isn't used as a vehicle to put people down I don't see much problem with it.
Sorry if my own flippant response annoyed anyone - I was only trying to fit in! Here's a serious one:
1. Multiplayer games that use initiative systems such as cards, so that only one player is active at a time, meaning I only get a fraction of the game and spend the great majority of the evening doing nothing.
2. Frontal assaults where there are very few tactical options, and therefore no interesting decisions to make.
3. Anything pre-Napoleon - essentially it's linear warfare, relatively limited tactical options, relatively few interesting decisions to make.
4. Naval games with no terrain and little or no command and control - dull dicefests.
5. Tournament games.
6. Games with such clever mechanisms for bidding for initiative (or whatever) that they are more about the mechanisms than they are about the tactics.
I could probably go on, but that's aired enough prejudices for today. I should just add that I don't mean to belittle anyone else's fun - it's all about personal preference, and if others love the games I hate, that's fine, I don't have to play them.
Chris
Quite right, Martyn! I would never dream of getting involved in such shenanigans. :^o :)
Sometimes threads go off the rails big time (but, as DanJ says, usually when the serious points are over. And, if not, don't be afraid to steer us back on track if its something you want the forum to consider or contact one of the forum members if you have a specific question to ask - everyone is approachable).
Very nicely put, DanJ, Getagrip and Ithoriel =D>
..... perhaps its just our polite way of saying, "bohhrringg, getting too serious now, nuff said, time for fun!" ;) :)
And, Chris, I would say you've found your niche here and also successfully steered us back on track. =D>
"Laugh and the world laughs with you." Ella Wheeler Wilcox. "You can't be serious." John McEnroe (although maybe I don't quite get that one).
Quote from: Westmarcher on 12 February 2015, 11:28:30 AM
Quite right, Martyn! I would never dream of getting involved in such shenanigans. :^o :)
Sometimes threads go off the rails big time (but, as DanJ says, usually when the serious points are over. And, if not, don't be afraid to steer us back on track if its something you want the forum to consider or contact one of the forum members if you have a specific question to ask - everyone is approachable).
Very nicely put, DanJ, Getagrip and Ithoriel =D>
..... perhaps its just our polite way of saying, "bohhrringg, getting too serious now, nuff said, time for fun!" ;) :)
And, Chris, I would say you've found your niche here and also successfully steered us back on track. =D>
"Laugh and the world laughs with you." Ella Wheeler Wilcox. "You can't be serious." John McEnroe (although maybe I don't quite get that one).
I would also agree with all this.
Cheers, Westmarcher!
Chris
I dont like 28mm horse and musket games where people try and do something like Austerlitz on a 6x4 using the basic unit of a regiment and the units line up 12 inches apart
Amazing the notions some people get about most of history!
Quote from: Ithoriel on 12 February 2015, 10:54:22 AM
It also keeps the occasional thread active so that, as the silliness peters out, more useful information gets posted.
For me it keeps the forum vibrant, provides the glue that keeps the forum cohesive, makes it harder for people to be pompous and provides an area that allows those with less knowledge of the subject to participate.
I'm on a couple of invite only e-groups where posts not entirely on-topic are strongly discouraged and they are largely places of sepulchral silence, punctuated by moments when one of the Olympians makes some sententious pronouncement which either drops into the void without a ripple or attracts other "experts" with contrary views and flame wars that could melt steel ensue. All but the most cautious newbies find themselves either drowned in more information than could possibly be useful or treated as ignorant peasants beneath contempt. I'd take the Pendraken forum and it's occasional lunacy over both of them.
Providing it isn't used as a vehicle to put people down I don't see much problem with it.
I think that says it all ! :)
Cheers - Phil
Can we go back to being silly now? :O) 8-} 8-} <:-P
Quote from: Hertsblue on 12 February 2015, 01:03:39 PM
Can we go back to being silly now? :O) 8-} 8-} <:-P
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:O) 8-} <:-P 8-} 8-} :O)
Quote3. Anything pre-Napoleon - essentially it's linear warfare, relatively limited tactical options, relatively few interesting decisions to make
Ok, not sure about that one!
I'm sure Hannibal would object to him having had limited tactical options and Scipio, Alexander, Julius Caesar.....anon, anon
Wot Matt sed. Hair, here.
Matt, Fierce Kitty,
On the relatively limited nature or otherwise of pre-Napoleonic warfare: I expect we can agree to disagree. This is a subject that deserves its own thread rather than hijacking this one, so I've started it here:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11416.0.html
Chris
Quote from: Fenton on 12 February 2015, 12:10:28 PM
I dont like 28mm horse and musket games where people try and do something like Austerlitz on a 6x4 using the basic unit of a regiment and the units line up 12 inches apart
And that is why the FS
M gave us Pendraken.