Hello!
I'm currently working on a playable diorama of a medieval joust.
The very simple rules are written and I currently test them.
As the figurines manufacturer that I was planning to order my knights does not seems to accept orders anymore :'( , I started to search in Pendraken catalog for some knights with lance and dynamic poses.
I also need a lot of medieval civilians to be used as the crowd. Here, the problem is to find a reference and in enough varied poses to preserve the diorama's esthetic.
So all advices, helps and photos are welcome !
thx
jim
As that was your first post, Jim....A very warm welcome to the forum. :-h
Not an expert in the range, but I'm pretty sure there are some 'knights' in the medieval section that ought to be suitable.
Recommendations guys ?
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: Techno on 24 November 2014, 09:11:00 AM
As that was your first post, Jim....A very warm welcome to the forum. :-h
Thanks ! :-[
Of course, I've found the ELM1 but the horse is barded and I would prefer a caparison.
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/ELM1.JPG)
Here is the ideal choice for me but it's from another (almost dead) manufacturer.
(http://www.tridentebologna.it/images/miniature/TB4164/TB4164_B_2.jpg)
(I apologize if it's forbidden to post mini's from other creator) =)
Hi Jim,
welcome to the forum.
I'd suggest this figure for the jousters:
EMM1 / Period: Medieval / Range: European Mid Medieval
Mounted men at arms, lance, surcoats on horse
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/EMM1.jpg)
For peasant onlookers there are armed peasants, and a pack of monks, in the mid-Medieval and Dark Age ranges who might be convertable. The Beggar Army in the Fantasy section would be usable too, though the figures are slightly different in size, iirc. The Mongol Camp Followers (MON12) might do at a pinch.
Guards could come from any of the mid-Medieval range foot with pole weapons.
Noble onlookers would be more of a problem, can't think of any lords & ladies type figures. Others might have suggestions on that front?
I would sugest ELM 36, XIV century knights, they are the riding pose more dinamic of the charging knight (just my opinion)
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Medieval%20WM/caballerosdecastilla.jpg)
second pose of the same reference
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Medieval%20WM/caballeriatemplaria.jpg)
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu205/jchaos79/Medieval%20WM/ordendesantiagob.jpg)
Welcome aboard
Peasants Fantasy packs.. beggar army... quick snip to the weapons
http://www.pendraken.co.uk/Fantasy-c21/Beggars-sc143/
Fantasy army - men
http://www.pendraken.co.uk/FME13-p4991/
really only one useable here as the others are armed with improvised pole arms
nice priest to pray for the souls of those mi9screant knights
http://www.pendraken.co.uk/NO6-p2834/
There are probably more out there, but as I am doing this at work I had better head back as the coffee break is now over :)
Thanks a lot for all those great ideas and ref.
I'll probably choose the ELM36 for the knights (the easy part of my 'problem' :D)
Now, for my crowd, adding some monks makes me think of a new rule point that I want to add to my game. So, it's a nice addition but not the solution :'(
I am facing the problem that few models only of many packs match my need... It's gonna be a 'buy-10-and-throw-away-8' job ! ;D
I'm always attentive for some advices concerning my crowd and I'm adding a little new problem : any idea for a damoiselle ? We have to do not forget that she is the supreme motivation for our knights to fight each other ! any suggestion ? ~X(
Quote from: jimlev on 24 November 2014, 03:23:52 PM
I am facing the problem that few models only of many packs match my need... It's gonna be a 'buy-10-and-throw-away-8' job ! ;D
I'm always attentive for some advices concerning my crowd and I'm adding a little new problem : any idea for a damoiselle ? We have to do not forget that she is the supreme motivation for our knights to fight each other ! any suggestion ? ~X(
Speak to Leon he can help out with instance like this.
There are the helpless maidens.... not much good for a joust, but good for rescuing...well damsels in distress :)
there is a lady in the beggar set who with a bit of filing and green stuff might work. I typed pendraken beggars into Google and it was my third hit on images... again work limits so I cant link
aren't the dark age civies being released soon. Also some of the mongol peasants would work
Picture of some of the beggars. Lady on the left with the broom might do with the broom removed or turned into something more appropriate and a pointy hat added from green stuff or similar.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2396/4511594185_67578ca23b.jpg)
Quote from: jimlev on 24 November 2014, 03:23:52 PM
I am facing the problem that few models only of many packs match my need... It's gonna be a 'buy-10-and-throw-away-8' job ! ;D
Welcome to the forum :-h
The level of customer service from Pendraken is much higher than you are likely to have experienced. As has already been hinted at Leon and co will often be able to do part packs etc so tell them what you need and you are likely to be pleasantly surprised ;)
There are some picutres of pendraken figures here historic catalogue (http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=4118.30) and here Fantasy catalogue (http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=4118.0)
Maybe you could look and search by yourself. (Also any help with pictures to complete the catalogue is very welcome )
hope it helps
In the SYW range there are some ladies - big dresses - may need a bit of work to make them medieval but probably good for princesses?
There are also Arab civilians - not sure if they will work - I think these are in the colonial range
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NsZKIqqmGKU/U7RyoE37gZI/AAAAAAAAC7w/JRkRhsi1DhU/s800/IMG_4657.jpg)
The running kid would certainly work for middle ages
and the child carrying the tray of bread
Quote from: jchaos79 on 24 November 2014, 07:06:27 PM
There are some picutres of pendraken figures here historic catalogue (http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=4118.30) and here Fantasy catalogue (http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=4118.0)
Maybe you could look and search by yourself. (Also any help with pictures to complete the catalogue is very welcome )
hope it helps
Sure ! thanks !
Quote from: Matt of Munslow on 24 November 2014, 06:44:06 PM
aren't the dark age civies being released soon. Also some of the mongol peasants would work
Never heard about it, I'm new here (and in 10mm scale) but the news sounds good !
@Ithoriel thanks for the idea of converting the girl from beggar's pack. I had already found it in the catalog but not sure if I'll be able to change her in a gorgeous lady !
Quote from: fred 12df on 24 November 2014, 09:06:37 PM
In the SYW range there are some ladies - big dresses - may need a bit of work to make them medieval but probably good for princesses?
the photo (SYW 12) isn't really good but it seems you're right on that one ! Sadly I was not able to find a picture of the SYW 11 pioneers...
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/nikharwood/STA40192640x443.jpg)
I found that picture of the AWI American riflemen, what do you think of the #2 and #3 in the first row? Their poses are quite suitable for a crowd looking at a joust, I think. 'Just' need to remove the gun... hum hum :-\
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk/ProductImages/AAWA11.jpg)
Thanks for your help, I think I'm not too far from my needs now !
Quote from: Maenoferren on 24 November 2014, 10:10:20 PM
and the child carrying the tray of bread
Was that the bread I painted as a melon? ;D
Make sure there're some sheep in everyone's way.
www.michaelscott.name/ww1/ww1blog/ww1blogpost0025.htm (http://www.michaelscott.name/ww1/ww1blog/ww1blogpost0025.htm)
Quote from: WeeWars on 25 November 2014, 02:48:21 PM
Make sure there're some sheep in everyone's way.
;D
I will try but, as it is a board for a game before being a realistic diorama, I'm not sure I will have room for those sort of elements.
If you're curious of my project, here is the plan of my board. The tiny grey dot represent the slots for the crowd's figurines. On the right, a picture I found, as reference for the result I'm targeting... in a lower quality of course, I know my limits :(
(http://mesmeilleurscopains.free.fr/joustPlan.gif)
what about the rules?
Quote from: WeeWars on 25 November 2014, 02:45:46 PM
Was that the bread I painted as a melon? ;D
You're not the only one.
Quote from: fred 12df on 25 November 2014, 05:11:06 PM
You're not the only one.
I thought he had three small round loaves on a tray...... maybe not
which figure is the lady in this image:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=289.0
If it has five fishes on the tray too then Leon & Dave have secretly been starring a Biblical range!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bHc7vr6dYKw/U7MuWht15uI/AAAAAAAAC64/MDHtVooof9A/s1280/photo%25201.JPG)
I went for water melon and oranges!
Yay! Water melon! :)
Quote from: Maenoferren on 25 November 2014, 07:32:41 PM
I thought he had three small round loaves on a tray...... maybe not
which figure is the lady in this image:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=289.0
She's the second of the female beggars - one with broom and one with rolling pin. Possibly waiting impatiently for SO to roll in from the pub!
I'll have the one with the massive melons then.
I painted mine so badly, it could be anything... I never thought of a melon as it would roll off the tray, so I went for a big loaf of bread and a couple of buns :D
but back to the point the lady with the rolling pin could have it painted gold and be some form of prize for the knights? a quick cone on her head for the princess type hat and there you go instaprincess.
I'd wondered if it could be done as a scroll - handles wood brown or gold and middle parchment coloured. Possibly with a seal attached - the wax type not the type that eats fish!!
Quote from: Ithoriel on 25 November 2014, 10:52:07 PM
I'd wondered if it could be done as a scroll - handles wood brown or gold and middle parchment coloured. Possibly with a seal attached - the wax type not the type that eats fish!!
good one, that would work too
Quote from: Maenoferren on 25 November 2014, 10:05:02 PM
I painted mine so badly, it could be anything... I never thought of a melon as it would roll off the tray, so I went for a big loaf of bread and a couple of buns :D
but back to the point the lady with the rolling pin could have it painted gold and be some form of prize for the knights? a quick cone on her head for the princess type hat and there you go instaprincess.
I agree for the possible usage of the lady for my dame. But, in my game, each player has to choose for whom he will fight, between
3 ladies. That mini could make one... 2 more to find. As their presence on the board is not a necessity, I may delay (or forget) that point.
Quote from: jchaos79 on 25 November 2014, 04:23:14 PM
what about the rules?
Nice to see that someone still have more interest in my project than in bread and melon ! ;D
The rules are already written but only in french for the moment. I have to playtest them few more times before trying to translate them (that will be a big task with my superb english level ! :-[).
If your really curious, I can explain shortly the principles.
If it is not too much work for you... yes I am really curious
Quote from: jchaos79 on 26 November 2014, 11:32:13 AM
If it is not too much work for you... yes I am really curious
No ! no pb, with pleasure. I hope that it will be understandable... :(
The game is quite basic, for 2 players (what a surprise ! :D) and is played in 3 rounds.
One player plays the Great and vaillant White knight. The other plays the mysterious and disturbing Black knight (original, isn't it ?).
At the start of the game, each knight chooses for which of the 3 demoiselle he will fight during all the game. The 3 ladies are differentiated by color, let's name them Lady A, Lady B and...
Germaine Lady C !
The board, as seen on the picture I posted earlier, represent a track which is made of 2 lines of 12 squares each separated by the list (a wood barrier, not sure for the term in english). There are colored blazon/shields on the list.
Along the track, on each player's side, there is a fence with 9 rooms for the crowd.
18 civilians figs represent the crowd and each of them is a partisan of one of the ladies, so he wear the color of that dame.
Each knight have a specific dice (a white die and a black die...) which differ for few values.
Alternatively, each player launch his die and play a turn.
At his turn, and depending on the die value, a knight receives Action Points. These points can be used on 2 types of action.
1. move the knight along the line. 1 Action Point = 1 square
2. convert a people of the crowd to be his partisan. The player take a civilian fig of the colour of his choice and places it in a free slot along his side of the board.
Note that the player is free to mix the usage of his action point. The only duty is to move from at least 1 square each turn.
EX. with a dice value of 3, the white knight add a partisan of lady A and a partisan of lady C to his side and makes a move of 1 square on his line.Then it's a I-go-U-go mechanic until the knights are in an adjacent square. At this time, they stop here and resolve the impact.
To calculate the impact value of each knight, here is the formula :
take the # of the square on his line.
Add +1 for each partisan whom colour is represented on a shield in the square where the impact take place (on my example picture, you can see letters on the track center. They represent the shield/blazon's implentation).
The upper result wins the round.
EX. Here is an example of the impact result calculation :
(http://mesmeilleurscopains.free.fr/joustImpact.gif)
White knight impact :
5 (he is in the #5 square) + 1 (because he has only 1 'B partisan'. His 3 'A partisan' give him no point because there is no 'A blazon' on the list in that square).
White knight final score : 6
Black knight impact :
8 (he is in the #8 square) + 2 (1 point for the 'B partizan' and 1 point for the 'A partizan').
Black knight final score : 10
The black knight wins that round !The game is played in 3 rounds (if necessary). Last point, during one resolution of impact per game, each knight can reveal the lady he fights for. Doing so, he doubles the bonus gave by the partisans of that lady colour.
:-\ something was understood in that mess ?
Yep understood perfectly.
I see is more a smart-game than a wargame. But is really nice indeed. Could be even played by mail, and the one with the model take shots.
Also is a very beauty project! nice to see these initiatives.
A very interesting idea, sounds like it could be an intriguing game trying to second guess your opponent ;)
The wood barrier separating the knights is the list in English, another example of English borrowing words ;)
I think there was one small typo in your explanation
Black knight impact :
8 (he is in the #8 square) + 2 (1 point for the 'B partizan' and 1 point for the 'A partizan').
Black knight final score : 10
Should the A partizan be a C?
I'm sure there would be several on the forum who would be happy to review your translation
In modern jousting you score different points 0-3 depending on the degree of the hit. Perhaps the difference of the final scores could inflence the score for each win.
Quote from: paulr on 26 November 2014, 07:18:08 PM
A very interesting idea, sounds like it could be an intriguing game trying to second guess your opponent ;)
thanks ! :-[
Quote from: paulr on 26 November 2014, 07:18:08 PM
I think there was one small typo in your explanation
[...]
Should the A partizan be a C?
You're right ! Do you know if there's an option to edit my post ? :-\
Quote from: paulr on 26 November 2014, 07:25:51 PM
I'm sure there would be several on the forum who would be happy to review your translation
In modern jousting you score different points 0-3 depending on the degree of the hit. Perhaps the difference of the final scores could inflence the score for each win.
In fact, there's few points of the rules that I have not detailed but there's already something like this.
Here is some of the 'missing' points :
- when the impact calculation is done, players continue to roll the dice to reach the end of the line. And so, they can gain more partisans before the next round.
- as there is only 6 partisans of each color, a player who wants a partisan of an unavailable colour, can pick it in the other player's team.
- the monk's minis proposed by Maenoferren could be partisan of the-colour-of-your-choice but they will flee of your team after the impact («Oh such violence is an offense !!»)
Now, I have to check my list and make my order !
Aaaah, ... Making an order is always a great moment.... close to be a mysitcal moment 8)
Do you know if there's an option to edit my post ? :-\
Unfortunately the edit options only is available for a brief period after you post :(
I think so. But normally the moderators of the board could edit. Maybe you could PM with your changes.