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Title: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Capt Sensible on 09 November 2014, 11:52:10 AM
Chaps,

Has anyone out there ever tried these figures?

http://www.tridentebologna.it/miniature_E.php (http://www.tridentebologna.it/miniature_E.php)

I'm looking to add a little variation to some Eastern European/Ottoman Turk Renaissance armies and these look like rather good figures.

Thanks,

CS
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: FierceKitty on 09 November 2014, 11:55:14 AM
Communications are terrible.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Fenton on 09 November 2014, 11:56:32 AM
Leon mentioned this a while back. No one seem to know if the company is still up and running ( although the website is). A few people in Italy have been asked and no one seems to have seen the owner in a while on the show circuit. I would be wary about ordering from them until some definite information is known
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Capt Sensible on 09 November 2014, 12:00:05 PM
Thanks, chaps. A shame, as they look to be very nice figures.

CS
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Fenton on 09 November 2014, 12:03:28 PM
I did email them a couple of years ago and after about 6 weeks I got an answer from someone there ( female maybe wife/partner/girlfriend) who wasnt quite sure what was happening
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Leon on 09 November 2014, 11:50:04 PM
Unfortunately as the others have said, no one knows what's going on with TB at the moment.  They make some great figures, and Fabio was always a nice guy to chat with, so I hope there's some good news from them in the near future.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Wulf on 10 November 2014, 10:05:47 AM
My problem wasn't communication. For months, I kept asking where my order was, they kept telling me it would be sent 'next week'... Finally, they sent me a refund.

And then sent the minis...  :-\

They are lovely, especially the massive, beautifully detailed Carthaginian Effalumps. Probably oversised for the real thing, almost twice as big as Pendraken's. Problem with all their minis is the number of teeny bits - separate shields, etc.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: bradpitre on 10 November 2014, 08:08:06 PM
good evening everyone

fabio of TBline, is a friend and someone very well, but I know he went through a very difficult time, and he had to put to sleep TBline....... much regret !! !!!
but I'm pretty positive for the future ...... as long as everything is in order for him
I take this opportunity to advise you to try its ancient medieval rule "Anticamente" ..... probably the best rules that I have played so far...... in free loading and in English !!!! ....... and with superb figures Pendrakens, it will be just as beautiful !!!

eric
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 10 November 2014, 08:14:08 PM
Nice news Eric
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Leon on 10 November 2014, 09:08:41 PM
Quote from: bradpitre on 10 November 2014, 08:08:06 PM
good evening everyone

fabio of TBline, is a friend and someone very well, but I know he went through a very difficult time, and he had to put to sleep TBline....... much regret !! !!!
but I'm pretty positive for the future ...... as long as everything is in order for him
I take this opportunity to advise you to try its ancient medieval rule "Anticamente" ..... probably the best rules that I have played so far...... in free loading and in English !!!! ....... and with superb figures Pendrakens, it will be just as beautiful !!!

eric

Thanks for the update, I hope he is OK and we will be seeing the figures available again soon.

8)
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: jchaos79 on 10 November 2014, 09:09:02 PM
Quote from: bradpitre on 10 November 2014, 08:08:06 PM
good evening everyone

fabio of TBline, is a friend and someone very well, but I know he went through a very difficult time, and he had to put to sleep TBline....... much regret !! !!!
but I'm pretty positive for the future ...... as long as everything is in order for him
I take this opportunity to advise you to try its ancient medieval rule "Anticamente" ..... probably the best rules that I have played so far...... in free loading and in English !!!! ....... and with superb figures Pendrakens, it will be just as beautiful !!!

eric

Hi bradpitre, sorry for hear that Fabio is having a difficult time. Anyware, if TBline awakes, I will buy some figures for sure.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: fred. on 10 November 2014, 10:11:39 PM
Hi Eric, thanks for the news.

Our best wishes to Fabio - hopefully he is able to start up TB Line again soon. His figures are great.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: barbarian on 11 November 2014, 10:05:57 AM
I knew he had some difficulties juggling between family, regular job and hobby.
Hope he's okay.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Fenton on 11 November 2014, 10:14:41 AM
Thats good to hear Brad...He really is talanted and would be a shame to lose the range
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: FierceKitty on 25 May 2015, 12:50:52 PM
Any further tidings?
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 25 May 2015, 10:13:58 PM
Hello FK

No, they are still incommunicado. Last heard on this forum (6/5) was that Barbarian was going to try to contact Fabio - http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12080.msg165148.html#msg165148 (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12080.msg165148.html#msg165148). Can't find anything on any other forums about them.

I'm still lusting for the Eastern Europeans  :).

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Orcs on 25 May 2015, 10:18:56 PM
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 25 May 2015, 10:13:58 PM

I'm still lusting for the Eastern Europeans  :).

GrumpyOldMan

I have that problem, all started when I went to Romainia 14 years ago and saw all the lovely Totty  ;)
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 25 May 2015, 10:39:52 PM
Hi JaFO

Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 25 May 2015, 10:18:56 PM
I have that problem, all started when I went to Romainia 14 years ago and saw all the lovely Totty  ;)

Gosh, no wonder the Mongols won if that was their opposition :)
Anyway, isn't the UK being swamped by Eastern Europeans, according to some of the electioneering rhetoric  :D

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Orcs on 26 May 2015, 12:04:30 AM
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 25 May 2015, 10:39:52 PM
Anyway, isn't the UK being swamped by Eastern Europeans, according to some of the electioneering rhetoric  :D

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan


Yes and some of them are gorgeous  :d.   I Hope Mrs Orcs does not see this
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: FierceKitty on 26 May 2015, 12:17:51 AM
One would have to be blind not to see how lovely some Slavic women are.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 26 May 2015, 12:24:31 AM
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 26 May 2015, 12:04:30 AM
Yes and some of them are gorgeous  :d.   I Hope Mrs Orcs does not see this

Yes they are exceedingly tempting. Well, if Mrs Orcs sees this, you can just blame the ne'er-do-well, Australian Agent Provocateur (who is of Eastern European extraction but has seemed to have missed out on the 'gorgeous' gene  ;D ;D )

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 18 August 2015, 10:40:30 PM
Hi All

I know the site was faltering but it has now disappeared from DNS servers. Still no word on what is happening to the ranges  :(.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: FierceKitty on 19 August 2015, 12:12:02 AM
:(
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: bradpitre on 23 August 2015, 06:48:30 AM
Hello everyone !!

I hope to give you some news soon

eric
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: FierceKitty on 23 August 2015, 06:56:56 AM
There's a teaser if ever there was one.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 24 August 2015, 02:05:13 AM
Quote from: bradpitre on 23 August 2015, 06:48:30 AM
Hello everyone !!

I hope to give you some news soon

eric

Oh, these inscrutable French......
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: barbarian on 24 August 2015, 08:09:08 AM
I'm going to investigate.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 24 August 2015, 10:52:46 PM
Hello Barbarian

Quote from: barbarian on 24 August 2015, 08:09:08 AM
I'm going to investigate.


Thank you. Hopefully the ranges can be saved. There is nothing sadder than a range falling into oblivion and disappearing. I still regret not stocking up on SDD 20mm stuff before Stronghold disappeared. There was even a 10mm range - Victoria Miniatures shown that never was listed, plus all the other ranges that were produced by Stronghold.

Good luck with your investigation.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Leman on 25 August 2015, 09:04:08 AM
Think Venexia. What a massive loss to the wargames world, and I never did get round to buying any of their Italian Wars mounted arquebusiers.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: FierceKitty on 07 September 2015, 02:16:02 AM
Any developments?
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: barbarian on 07 September 2015, 08:21:46 AM
Yeah, but I'll let Bradpitre talk about it.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Fenton on 07 September 2015, 10:10:56 AM
I have my fingers crossed they stay in Europe
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Womble67 on 07 September 2015, 10:50:35 AM
same here

take care

andy
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: barbarian on 07 September 2015, 12:45:02 PM
Bradpitre is French.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Leon on 07 September 2015, 03:02:33 PM
I heard last week that the ranges have been sold to another person, but that no movement has been made on getting them back into production yet.  Hopefully something happens soon with them and folks can start buying again.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: fred. on 07 September 2015, 04:23:06 PM
Sounds promising.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Leman on 07 September 2015, 06:56:26 PM
Oh come off it, it's Italy!
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: bradpitre on 11 September 2015, 02:48:11 PM
Quote from: Leon on 07 September 2015, 03:02:33 PM
I heard last week that the ranges have been sold to another person, but that no movement has been made on getting them back into production yet.  Hopefully something happens soon with them and folks can start buying again.

Hello everyone !!!
I am in contact with the sculptor TBline to try to resuming the existing production and expand, but he did not inform me that someone had purchased the molds
the problem for now is that Fabio does not respond to my messages, and I want to get things done legally.

if things do not change, then I would advise directly with the sculptor, or to create a new production, or to resume the old .......
it also discusses a range for another period ...... to follow !!!

eric
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 11 September 2015, 11:30:38 PM
Hello bradpitre/Eric

I wish you luck with this project. The history of TB Line is that of communication drooping off.  :(.

Maybe there is a communication error, and the rumoured person that bought the moulds is actually you contacting Fabio  :-\ :-\.

I know that Barbarian http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=737 (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=737) was in contact with Fabio at one point, maybe he can help with your communication. Is Fabio the sculptor? Maybe a request through the TMP Italian Wargaming board may help http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/topics.mv?id=167 (http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/topics.mv?id=167)

Good luck again

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: barbarian on 12 September 2015, 09:25:45 AM
Nope.

Bradpistre is in contact with the sculptor who is not Fabio.

Fabio doesn't answer his phone (to me ?) anymore.

I'm investigating the graphic designer now.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: fred. on 12 September 2015, 10:48:58 AM
Good luck with this guys. It would be a real shame if these great figures were lost.

Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: barbarian on 12 September 2015, 01:35:32 PM
I found the graphic designer.
I'm talking to him right now.
F. Kitty, mail.


EDIT: From what I understand, the moulds are in Toscana with the sculptor, but the stock of minis are in Milano.

The moulds could have been recently sold to someone (??) maybe Italian, don't know the details.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: bradpitre on 12 September 2015, 01:42:27 PM
Hi!!

Fabrizio Passatempi you speak ??
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: barbarian on 12 September 2015, 01:48:22 PM
Yes.
I knew him in Rome some 5 years ago at an Anticamente tourney.
He is really friendly.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Steve J on 12 September 2015, 02:12:57 PM
I do hope these resurface as some of the sculpts were fantastic.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: bradpitre on 12 September 2015, 04:08:23 PM
Quote from: barbarian on 12 September 2015, 01:48:22 PM
Yes.
I knew him in Rome some 5 years ago at an Anticamente tourney.
He is really friendly.

I also know, I have spent holidays with him, and we were in touch, but it stops responding for 1 year
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 27 October 2015, 10:35:45 PM
Hello

Let me poke this dead topic with a sharp stick.....

Has anybody heard any more?

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Bren on 15 December 2015, 09:09:49 PM
I've been watching this thread for a while, hoping to hear some good news. If there is a zombie apocalypse or an alien invasion before we get to see these great sculpts back on the market, I will be quite disheartened.  :(
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Techno on 15 December 2015, 09:20:18 PM
Can't help, Bren.....Sorry.
As that was your first post.......Welcome to the forum.
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Leon on 15 December 2015, 10:16:57 PM
Hi Bren, welcome to the Forum!  I've not heard anything at this end either unfortunately.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Ithoriel on 15 December 2015, 11:45:06 PM
Firstly, and most importantly, "Hi Bren!"

Secondly, I keep trawling the net to see if there's any mention but not turned up anything :(

Finally, on a related note, anyone know what, if anything, is happening with Plasmablast? They've been "we're moving to a new owner, might take a month or two" for about six months now. Are they now something else and I've not noticed? Are they still in transition? Have the Germans confiscated them in part payment for the bail-out? :)
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: FierceKitty on 16 December 2015, 12:17:24 AM
Hello, Bren. You are not alone in your concern.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Leman on 16 December 2015, 08:26:54 AM
Welcome Mr. Gun. It's weird to think that sculpts like those above, Warmaster and Venexia appear to have disappeared from the planet.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 16 December 2015, 09:30:07 AM
Hello and welcome
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: barbarian on 16 December 2015, 03:16:59 PM
No news. I could maybe try to re-re-re-ask the one contact I have left.
I'm not really optimistic.

Or a crowd funding to buy the moulds ?
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Bren on 16 December 2015, 05:43:10 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome chaps. I hope Plasmablast doesn't disappear too; I have a nice little Orbital Combine force and really like the look of their sculpts.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: jchaos79 on 16 December 2015, 07:40:29 PM
HI Bren, welcome!

Quote from: Leman on 16 December 2015, 08:26:54 AM
Welcome Mr. Gun. It's weird to think that sculpts like those above, Warmaster and Venexia appear to have disappeared from the planet.

That is true  :-S
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 17 December 2015, 07:20:13 AM
Moaning
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Bodvoc on 17 December 2015, 07:33:59 AM
Welcome aboard
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Leon on 17 December 2015, 09:34:52 AM
Quote from: barbarian on 16 December 2015, 03:16:59 PM
Or a crowd funding to buy the moulds ?

We would need to know where and who has them.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Techno on 17 December 2015, 10:22:29 AM
And be very certain they really DO have them, before starting a crowd funding scheme.
Cheers - Phil

Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Ithoriel on 17 December 2015, 01:04:56 PM
Venexia is a fine example of the perils of acquiring someone else's figure line!
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Techno on 17 December 2015, 01:13:16 PM
I could tell you a story.......
But I'm not going to.  ;)

Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Ithoriel on 17 December 2015, 01:28:22 PM
Tease! :D
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Techno on 17 December 2015, 01:47:00 PM
Yep !

All I'll say is that firm 'X' put a range of figures and moulds up for sale, when 'X' had absolutely no right to do so.
(It DID get sorted eventually.)

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: fsn on 17 December 2015, 01:53:49 PM
Quote from: Techno on 17 December 2015, 01:13:16 PM
I could tell you a story.......
But I'm not going to.  ;)

Cheers - Phil.
It's like the love child Mark Twain, Hans Christian Anderson and Les Dawson is in the room.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Womble67 on 24 May 2016, 11:50:15 AM
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Rl8uSZ4djZ4/V0Q0_iBdp3I/AAAAAAABoAQ/7wNXJTe2Tts95XDIthiMAwd9yZQQxbkHwCLcB/s400/tb-line-light-cavalry-with-short-weapon-10mm.jpg)

Aster Wargame are selling TB Line (http://www.10mm-wargaming.com/2016/05/aster-wargame-are-selling-tb-line.html)

Take care

Andy
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: jchaos79 on 24 May 2016, 01:06:49 PM
Hi Andy,

great news!!

Aster wargaming is a store or a manufacturer or a studio?
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Womble67 on 24 May 2016, 01:32:21 PM
not sure as of yet. talking to someone on Facebook now should no more in the next few days

take care

Andy
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: FierceKitty on 24 May 2016, 02:05:40 PM
Waiting eagerly to hear the results!
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: d_Guy on 24 May 2016, 02:18:51 PM
Not paying the least bit of attention to date and time stamps, I followed the OP link. I saw a bunch catagories labeled "Asics" which, in my excitement, I took to be Italian for "Aztecs"! They were very colorful but not exactly what I was looking for. (Or that for which I was looking :D)
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: FierceKitty on 24 May 2016, 02:25:34 PM
Keep being friendly to Techno, who is really an excellent fellow in his rough, Cumbrian way. The conquest of the New World is on the horizon....
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: fred. on 24 May 2016, 08:10:39 PM
Quote from: Womble67 on 24 May 2016, 11:50:15 AM

Aster Wargame are selling TB Line (http://www.10mm-wargaming.com/2016/05/aster-wargame-are-selling-tb-line.html)


This is good news - these are far too nice sculpts to have been lost.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Womble67 on 24 May 2016, 10:54:29 PM
Lets keep our fingers crossed that the entire range is re released

Take care

Andy
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 25 May 2016, 12:15:57 AM
Hello

If this is happening, it can only be good news. Hopefully it is someone restarting the manufacturing and not just selling off old stock (wearing my de Bono black hat today).

I'm going through the web site now with the effortless language skill that saw me end up with a plate of mushrooms when I wanted pork :). Will be interesting to see what is happening here. Might be tempted to get some Russian knights just to see what happens.

Anyone ordering please keep us posted on developments.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Steve J on 25 May 2016, 05:36:04 AM
Excellent news and fingers crossed that the whole back catalogue will be available :).
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Werthor on 25 May 2016, 09:15:50 AM
Hi,
Aster Wargame is a trader well known in italy and has a lot of wargames brands in its catalogue (Warlord, Victrix, 4ground exc). Corrado (the owner) is a wargame entusiast and knows his businees. I know that he has purchased the TBLINE range, including the molds, the masters and the stocks and he is in touch with Cosimo Auricchio, the sculptor. The complete range will be available soon and i hope that will be expanded too: i heard thaT some new sculpts, including macedonians pikemen and italians were almost ready.

That's all i know atm
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: FierceKitty on 25 May 2016, 09:18:07 AM
And a welcome bit of good news 'tis too, indeed.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: jchaos79 on 25 May 2016, 02:02:13 PM
Well yesterday I bought some figures TB line figures from Aster. The shipping to spain from italy was 25 euros. I bought 28 euros and pay 25 of shipping. It is like 100% of the price.

TB line figures back available is a good news. Know that the range will be expand is an excellent news, but I could not be satisfied with the politic of shipping.

They say it will be in 4 working days. So they must arrive on monday. I let you know about the product and the experience.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Werthor on 25 May 2016, 02:20:37 PM
Well 25 euros for shipping to spain 4 blisters (28 euros worth) seems quite high, even by a fast courrier as stated. Did you asked if he had another kind of delivery option, slower but cheaper?
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: jchaos79 on 25 May 2016, 02:40:14 PM
There was only one option available. No possibility to choose a cheaper but slower delivery.

Yep I bought 4 blister of tb line, on eof each.

Now I am searching the content of the original references (a picture) to cross check what will came. I mean to check if there is not pose missing, Can anyone help me with that?
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Ithoriel on 25 May 2016, 02:57:38 PM
That's disappointing.

Probably only want a couple of packs myself, assuming the infantry get released.

Is it just me or is the website incredibly difficult to navigate? I find their Search is even worse than on this forum ... and that's saying something :)
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Steve J on 25 May 2016, 03:22:30 PM
Yep, forum difficult to navigate. I tried and gave up. As for the shipping cost... :(
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 25 May 2016, 07:17:25 PM
Hello jchaos79

Quote from: jchaos79 on 25 May 2016, 02:40:14 PM
There was only one option available. No possibility to choose a cheaper but slower delivery.

Yep I bought 4 blister of tb line, on eof each.

Now I am searching the content of the original references (a picture) to cross check what will came. I mean to check if there is not pose missing, Can anyone help me with that?


Yoicks!!! If they're charging that much Italy to Spain I don't want to think about Italy to Australia!!!

I found a link to pictures of Teutonic knights here http://lacenbighats.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/10mm-warmaster-teutonic-knights.html?m=1 (http://lacenbighats.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/10mm-warmaster-teutonic-knights.html?m=1). Will look around for more when I get back to my computer.

Edit: pics of knights here http://grandscalewargaming.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/another-unit-of-feudal-europe-knights.html?m=1 (http://grandscalewargaming.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/another-unit-of-feudal-europe-knights.html?m=1)

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 26 May 2016, 12:19:02 AM
Hello jchaos79

Only other picture I could find was of some Eastern European cavalry here http://fogsoldiers.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/here-are-some-10mm-eastern-europe-tb.html?m=0 (http://fogsoldiers.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/here-are-some-10mm-eastern-europe-tb.html?m=0). They are mounted on non-barded horses though.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: jchaos79 on 26 May 2016, 01:14:54 PM
Thanks Grumpy! it is difficult to find pictures of tb line.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: fred. on 26 May 2016, 01:27:13 PM
I think I have a couple of packs of the Eastern cavalry - I'll check tonight.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: fred. on 26 May 2016, 06:17:27 PM
I've got the following still in blisters
TB4182 Eastern European Heavy Knights with Lance
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I9RBk6Tm3e4/V0c81SnVudI/AAAAAAAAGS8/8fc-KmrL8UM8qh8Kj0l6YKI8pxAKjcWhACCo/s1280/IMG_1058.JPG)
2 unbarded horses (split 1:2), 3 riders

TB4189 Arab Heavy Knights with Lance
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jg_MozoT2Dw/V0c81T7KdNI/AAAAAAAAGS4/zMrhsOQIoPQG4CQUGwbpuN1u8pttjOl8ACCo/s1280/IMG_1060.JPG)
2 barded horses (split 1:1), 3 riders
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: jchaos79 on 26 May 2016, 08:16:43 PM
wow, thanks fred, The blister is full luxury.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 26 May 2016, 10:25:12 PM
Hello Fred

Thanks for your pictures. Just looking at the picture of Eastern European knights that you have and the figures shown at the Aster site I think they have the Medieval Islam figures there but I don't recognise the mailed horse from anywhere.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jg_MozoT2Dw/V0c81T7KdNI/AAAAAAAAGS4/zMrhsOQIoPQG4CQUGwbpuN1u8pttjOl8ACCo/s1280/IMG_1060.JPG)

(http://www.asterwargame.it/10789-thickbox_default/tb-line-russian-heavy-knight-with-lance-10mm.jpg)

The Eastern European knights have their shield brought to the front as opposed to waving to the side.

Incidentally they've added the command group for the Teutonic knights since I last looked:-

(http://www.asterwargame.it/10809-thickbox_default/tb-line-4163-command-group-of-the-teutonic-knights-10mm.jpg)

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: kev1964 on 27 May 2016, 05:13:54 AM
I have lots of pics of the medieval arabs, lovely figures and loads of detail.

kev

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/910/firKuA.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pafirKuAj)
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 27 May 2016, 05:55:03 AM
Help Kev

Quote from: kev1964 on 27 May 2016, 05:13:54 AM
I have lots of pics of the medieval arabs, lovely figures and loads of detail.

kev


Always happy to look at eye candy :). Have found another pic of the medieval Islam heavy cav and it looks pretty definite that the eastern European cav Aster has listed are actually the Islamic cav:-

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lqGEY0J2wlA/TAeaUBqhmII/AAAAAAAAANo/ROJzU5O95rU/s1600/tb4189.jpg)

Waiting to see how people get on with postage, etc.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: FierceKitty on 27 May 2016, 06:20:50 AM
I want a few dozen of their Iberians to add some more animation to my ancient army.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: kev1964 on 27 May 2016, 06:29:48 AM
If you go to  https://imageshack.us/user/kev1964 their are pictures of just about all of the islamic range, page 18.


kev
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: FierceKitty on 27 May 2016, 06:35:45 AM
Could use some of their Ghazi swordsmen too. Can't have too many troops in an Ayyubid army.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: fred. on 27 May 2016, 06:37:50 AM
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 26 May 2016, 10:25:12 PM

Thanks for your pictures. Just looking at the picture of Eastern European knights that you have and the figures shown at the Aster site I think they have the Medieval Islam figures there but I don't recognise the mailed horse from anywhere.


(http://www.asterwargame.it/10789-thickbox_default/tb-line-russian-heavy-knight-with-lance-10mm.jpg)


The mailed horse is the second one in from both ends of the front rank. With the head on shot it's quite hard to see as the mail is open at the front.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: FierceKitty on 27 May 2016, 08:24:41 AM
I wrote to them this morning saying I wanted some of their 10mm ex-TB (sounds like consumptive zombies, n'est ce pas?, and they wrote back rapidly to ask for what I wanted. I have some hopes of finally getting my greedy little hands on some of those figures.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Wulf on 27 May 2016, 10:07:47 AM
I managed to get a few packs of TB minis, but only after a lengthy series of issues (we sent them - no, we didn't but we will. Yes, soon... Yes, really...) Beautifully detailed, but loads of separate bits. The Carthaginian Effalumps are... Mammoth. Absolutely huge. And very wrinkly. The Roman Veletes (or whatever they're called, the skirmishers with the wolf pelts) were especially well sculpted & cast.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: FierceKitty on 27 May 2016, 01:32:22 PM
veles unus, velites sed duo.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 29 May 2016, 07:54:27 PM
Hello

Contacted Aster. They ignored the incorrect figures but did let me know that it was 25 euros postage for 2 blisters to Australia!!!!! Yoicks!!!!

Looks like I won't be enjoying TB Line anytime soon :(.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Leman on 29 May 2016, 08:16:01 PM
I feel that I do not really have a head for business, but I cannot understand someone who is setting something up making life difficult for the customer.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 29 May 2016, 10:31:50 PM
Hello Leman

I know but it might not be the fault of the retailer. I think that the postal services have finally realised that the parcel mail generated by the internet is huge so, with all the dash, flair and deep understanding of mediocre suburban accountants, they've reasoned that if there is so much traffic coming through if they exponentially increase the postage costs they'll make a windfall profit. What they haven't factored in is the traffic that is stymied by those increased postage costs. I, now, no longer even look at buying anything from the States because of the charges. $25 postage for an N scale ship worth $4 is ludicrous  >:( >:(.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Techno on 30 May 2016, 05:55:53 AM
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 29 May 2016, 10:31:50 PM
. I, now, no longer even look at buying anything from the States because of the charges. $25 postage for an N scale ship worth $4 is ludicrous  >:( >:(.
Cheers GrumpyOldMan

That's almost obscene !   :o :o :o :o

I'm guessing that another factor why postage is so high nowadays.....Unless you happen to be a big firm, and can negotiate 'discounts' with the postal authorities....Is that 'letter post' has shrunk SO much because 'everybody' sends emails.

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Bren on 30 May 2016, 08:27:03 AM
Aster's ebay store postage calculator:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/TB-LINE-4182-Russian-heavy-knight-with-lance-10mm-/121995958648?hash=item1c67869978 (http://www.ebay.it/itm/TB-LINE-4182-Russian-heavy-knight-with-lance-10mm-/121995958648?hash=item1c67869978)

No mention of a free postage level on orders but a set price with additional blisters free, so a big order will not increase the postage cost.

Economies of scale seems the way to go. I think I'll wait until the full range is available and put in an order with a couple of friends.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: FierceKitty on 30 May 2016, 08:43:33 AM
Well, I'll be in Rome in January, D.V.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: jchaos79 on 30 May 2016, 09:10:37 PM
Aster wargame reach me with the following text:

"our shopping cart has miscalculated the postage, they are euro 16.00 and not euro 25.00.

Soon we will make a refund of euro 9.00.

Excuse the inconvenience"

Still a high bt not acceptable. The figures are not here but I had a response.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 30 May 2016, 11:11:22 PM
Hello Bren

Quote from: Bren on 30 May 2016, 08:27:03 AM
Aster's ebay store postage calculator:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/TB-LINE-4182-Russian-heavy-knight-with-lance-10mm-/121995958648?hash=item1c67869978 (http://www.ebay.it/itm/TB-LINE-4182-Russian-heavy-knight-with-lance-10mm-/121995958648?hash=item1c67869978)

No mention of a free postage level on orders but a set price with additional blisters free, so a big order will not increase the postage cost.

Economies of scale seems the way to go. I think I'll wait until the full range is available and put in an order with a couple of friends.

Here is the pdf link http://www.poste.it/risorse/postali/pdf/POE_listino.pdf (http://www.poste.it/risorse/postali/pdf/POE_listino.pdf) for the postage rates. Economies of scale won't work too well when the package gets too heavy or if the size becomes too large. It's a matter of finding the happy medium. Might be hard for me with a base postage rate of around $40 Au  :(.

Incidentally I noticed that they changed the Russian Heavy Cav to Islamic Heavy Cav. Although they didn't thank me, I'll post here that they're welcome. :d :d

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Bren on 01 June 2016, 04:32:14 PM
Thanks for posting the postage PDF Grumps. I think I'll keep an eye on both ebay and the Aster website before I order anything; if they don't amend the postage charges on their ebay pages I could try a paypal claim if the postage charge goes above the advertised rate.  ;)

Looking at the postage PDF: Indonesia is band 3 and NZ is band 5. Why is Oz at band 6 I wonder. Have you been upsetting the Italians perchance?
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 01 June 2016, 07:09:41 PM
Hello Been

Quote from: Bren on 01 June 2016, 04:32:14 PM
Thanks for posting the postage PDF Grumps. I think I'll keep an eye on both ebay and the Aster website before I order anything; if they don't amend the postage charges on their ebay pages I could try a paypal claim if the postage charge goes above the advertised rate.  ;)

Looking at the postage PDF: Indonesia is band 3 and NZ is band 5. Why is Oz at band 6 I wonder. Have you been upsetting the Italians perchance?

The problem with buying through the eBay site is that the figures are more expensive, presumably to cover eBay charges :).

As to the different postal levels the logic of postal services are beyond me. I haven't asked because they may tell me and I'll have to stay up nights stewing about it :).  Maybe there are more people of Italian extraction in Australia than Indonesia or Enzed so more parcel traffic likely.

As for Italy I don't think we've done anything lately to upset them but I could be wrong - its been known to happen rarely in the past :).

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: fred. on 01 June 2016, 07:38:53 PM
Quote from: GrumpyOldMan on 01 June 2016, 07:09:41 PM

As for Italy I don't think we've done anything lately to upset them but I could be wrong - its been known to happen rarely in the past :).


from wiki

Australia and Italy have played each other at rugby union a total of 15 matches, all won by Australia
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: jchaos79 on 06 June 2016, 05:20:52 PM
Today Package from Aster arrives.

Impressions:

- The shipping cost is what I paid to Aster. Could be high but is what it is to ship from Italy with guarantee of succed.
- There is no original TB blisters/package
- Package is solid and miniatures well protected.
- Triptic enclosed with advertising of Aster wargame showing images of TB line. No reference of TB line in the trptic. This is coherent with the thesis Aster own the moulds.
- I did not check yet is the content of the references is exactly the same as TB line blisters.
- Very nice figures and I could not see exceed of flash or signs of wrong cast.



Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: fred. on 06 June 2016, 05:54:58 PM
Sounds good.

International small parcel postage is getting more and more expensive.

The original TB casts were in a quite soft metal (I guess high lead content), it will be interesting to know if these are soft too, or harder like Pendraken and GW.  While the soft metal could be good for cutting off mould feeds, it did make the models prone to bending very easily.

Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: jchaos79 on 06 June 2016, 06:50:14 PM
They are in soft metal, (high content of Pb).

If someone is really interested I am user of a scanning electron microscope with Xray energy dispersive analyzer among other techniques, so I could compare GW, Tb-line Aster, Pendraken pewter alloy, expending an extra hour in my work on frayday afternoon.
I have some Tb line original  horses I bouhgt to dry-erase to make my tritons for  poseidon and fishmen army (half mongoltbn line half fish) so I could compare the alloy and see if there is consistent or have differences (in the case Ater wargames are casting with other alloy).

Anyway as long as alloys content is information own of each manofacturer I think is not very polite to publish without permisson of the manufacturers, but I could let you know if the alloy of Tb line orginal and Tb line aster is consistent or not (if there is enough interest)
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: fred. on 06 June 2016, 07:39:30 PM
While this would be very cool - its probably not really necessary.

But it would be cool, in a very geeky way :-B

And even if we knew the different lead contents, we would then not know if Aster are casting new stock, or using up TB stock, or even if manufacturers change their metal mix over time.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: jchaos79 on 06 June 2016, 07:46:04 PM
That is true my friend, there are few cases with no uncertanty at all.
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: nikharwood on 06 June 2016, 08:41:38 PM
I'm going to say it...and it applies to us all as wargamers...

You need to get out more  ;D
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: jchaos79 on 06 June 2016, 10:18:49 PM
That is also true my friend...  :-\
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Leman on 07 June 2016, 11:38:06 AM
Where's the door?  :o
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: jchaos79 on 07 June 2016, 05:08:38 PM
the door is beyond Pawn Patrol and Little Kingdom of Ben & Holly
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 07 June 2016, 05:43:37 PM
Oh... Someone else with young kids!
(Think it's Paw Patrol btw)
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: jchaos79 on 07 June 2016, 07:57:23 PM
haha, yes... Paw Patrol
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: Leman on 07 June 2016, 08:11:41 PM
Top Totty anyone?
Title: Re: TB Line - 10mm figures from Italy.
Post by: bradpitre on 07 November 2016, 06:39:07 PM
Good evening everyone!!
A little last minute information concerning the resumption of TBline
If the existing range has been purchased and is available again, I learned from a reliable source that there will be no development of new references, including those provided (Italian allies for the 2nd Punic War) . The sculptor had not agreed to work with the new distributor.
But, this one re contact me to eventually work together ..........to follow .... !! Wink
I admit that the temptation is great for me !!!
eric