Well, it can be put off no longer. As John Dz and I move on to fighting the scenarios for our upcoming (we hope!) book on Koniggratz, I need to revisit my Saxons. It is not so much I don't like the existing ones (althought they are the old sculpts with the can-can horses) it is just there are not enough of them. They are battalions of 16 men and an officer, and I will need to go up to 48 man battalions and 6 man squadrons! So that is not far shy of a thousand figures, 16 infantry battalions and 4 Jagers. My question to the forum is, what are the best figures to use for these from those that have been re sculpted in the last few years? I was thinking maybe some of the Schleswig range might do the cavalry, and maybe some of the infantry too? Also, I know the FPW German figures in peaked soft cap probably work for the infantry as well? Any choices for gunners, horse and foot? All suggestions gratefully received, particularly if accompanied by photos! Many thanks in advance,
Mollinary :D
I used Bavarian artillery with horse Artilleryman crew for 12 pounders.
May I suggest soft capped Prussians for infantry, but again, only two varieties.
Cavalry is more of an issue...
Thanks ML,
I can see the Bavarian Artillery as Saxon Horse Artillery, not sure if there are any peaked cap wearing choices in other ranges. I note the Bavarian 1860s range has infantry in cap and tunic, would that do? Does anyone know if it contains command? I need drummers, officers and standard bearers (no moulded flags) with the soft peaked cap. The figures you refer to as soft capped Prussians, if they are the ones with a peak, were intended to be Saxons in their equivalent of the feldmutz. I seem t recall they have a single belly cartridge box, so would do for 1866. But I am always looking for variety!
Mollinary
The foot command and the foot artillery are actually both later molds by the looks of it. You can request no flags, I didn't for mine, but I know they are about.
Sadly, if you look in the line code, the officer is depicted in shako, and I am not convinced these were ever worn in the field (although I would be happy to hear any evidence that they were!). I agree that the foot artilleryman are not bad figures, and i might go with them if there are nit any better alternates.
Mollinary
What about using the Bavarians in soft peaked cap. A very light filing would remove the shoulder rolls.
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 01 November 2014, 07:12:56 PM
What about using the Bavarians in soft peaked cap. A very light filing would remove the shoulder rolls.
DP, good suggestion. Has anyone any photos of these figures? How do they differ from the men in peaked cap in the FPW range? Are they new-ish sculpts? I have always loved the Saxons for this war, and I really want them to stand out.
Mollinary
PS i think I am becoming a God.... Well, a Brigadier anyway, and how much closer can you get? :D ;)
Congratulations on the promotion my dear sir.
Quote from: mad lemmey on 01 November 2014, 07:58:00 PM
Congratulations on the promotion my dear sir.
Obviously a lot closer, General, Sir! :D
Mollinary
And congratulations from me, as well, old boy ! ;)
Cheers - Phil
Re. Bavarian in peaked cap. There are two poses:
a) marching with shouldered rifle, full pack and rolled greatcoat over left shoulder, trousers tucked into boots (IMO a nicer figure than the marching Prussian in feldmutze);
b) advancing with forward pointing bayoneted rifle, full pack, rolled greatcoat over left shoulder, trousers tucked into boots.
On both figures only the right shoulder roll is visible and it is not that big. The sculpts are in line with the ones that appeared for the Brunswickers and the Prussian and French line skirmishers, i.e. later figures. Unfortunately the included standard bearer and officer are in Bavarian raupenhelm, but at least there is now a Saxon command pack available.
My first go at this, in addition to those actually in the Saxon line, are as follows:
Line infantry and Jaegers. SHD4, BA7, PPW24, and possibly SHD2, which I haven't seen. SHD 4 is an almost perfect macth, with backpack and roll, and belly cartrideg case.
Reiters. SHD. 8. Helmet may be a bit tall, but not overly so. Horse furniture is closer (because it is non descript) than the stuff on the old Saxon Reiter figures. Don' t know of any other cavalry figures in that soft cap. Anything in the South American Pacific War range?
Artillery. Guns are easy from the FPW range, and then 12pdrs from the Bavarian range. Horse gunners, BA10, plus limber
Foot gunners. Not sure whether the SHD11 and 17 would be suitable. I think they are wearing the soft cap with peak.
Once again, grateful for views on the above, or other options I may hvae missed.
Mollinary
I had some of the Schleswig command figures modified to remove tailcoats and use them as generic 1866 command for my German States. They are in peaked caps.
They are not on the website however. Leon?
Chad
Chad, that sounds just what I need. i think the other new codes will do the rankers pretty well.
Mollinary
Hoping that he had a lovely time at Crisis 2014, is there a Leon around somewhere to provide definitive answers on all this? :-\ :)
Mollinary
We've never got around to putting them onto the website, but the mould is here (as long as I remember where it is!) Pop me an email when you're ready to order and we can sort those.
8)
Quote from: Leon on 05 November 2014, 02:15:36 AM
We've never got around to putting them onto the website, but the mould is here (as long as I remember where it is!) Pop me an email when you're ready to order and we can sort those.
8)
Hard to sell them if they are not on the web site ;)
Quote from: Leon on 05 November 2014, 02:15:36 AM
We've never got around to putting them onto the website, but the mould is here (as long as I remember where it is!) Pop me an email when you're ready to order and we can sort those.
8)
Thanks Leon,
I will do this, but would also welcome your input on the questions contained in my e mail of the 2nd, which mentioned a number of possible codes to use. Cheers,
Mollinary
PS. austrian rockets, ECW casualties, wood piles! Anything else I've forgotten? :D ;)
M
Where do the wood piles appear in the catalogue?
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 05 November 2014, 07:36:58 PM
Where do the wood piles appear in the catalogue?
They don't, along with the ECW casualty figures! The Austrian Rockets are re-modelled, but not yet available as well.
Mollinary
Quote from: mollinary on 05 November 2014, 06:42:52 PM
I will do this, but would also welcome your input on the questions contained in my e mail of the 2nd, which mentioned a number of possible codes to use. Cheers,
PS. austrian rockets, ECW casualties, wood piles! Anything else I've forgotten? :D ;)
I've not got an email through from you, can you resend?
- The Austrian rockets have been moulded and Dave's casting those off at the moment.
- Likewise for the wood piles.
- The ECW casualties have also been master moulded and they're in the production moulding queue now.
Sorry, Leon, by e mail I meant my earlier post on this thread which mentions code numbers!
Mollinary
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 02 November 2014, 10:07:19 AM
Re. Bavarian in peaked cap:
a) marching with shouldered rifle, full pack and rolled greatcoat over left shoulder, trousers tucked into boots (IMO a nicer figure than the marching Prussian in feldmutze).
DP. Is figure in the same position as the Prussian in feldmutze, or does it have the rifle actually horizontal, on the shoulder, like the 1870 range peaked cap figure?
Mollinary
Andrew, I have put up a photo of the three ranges in question. L to R the first two are the actual Saxon infantry, the second two are the Prussian infantry in feldmutze and the final two are the Bavarians in peaked cap. The marching Bavarian is more casual than the marching Prussian, but I really like that pose. This is the best shot of four for showing the detail of the figures:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Figurephotos2011/FPWphotos10mm/IMG_1367_zpsc7002abd.jpg)
DP
I use all of these for the German States forces. The different figures and poses give a nice mix for the different states. The firing figures is especially useful for Rifle battalions.
Chad
DP,
Many thanks, that is very useful! The Bavarians look as if they are the same figures as PPW24 (Leon?) if not, I am not sure of the differences. The Schleswig Holstein Range Danish jagers appear to be these figures modified by the inclusion of a back pack with roll on top of it, and long trousers ie, not tucked into boots. As such they probably come closer to the Saxons - if they had their trousers tucked into their boots they would PERFECT! I agree with you about that trudging, marching, pose, it is full of character - my second Bavarian corps has lots of these interspersed with the Raupenhelm figures. I think these infantry are anong the best Pendraken have produced..
Cheers,
Mollinary
Quote from: mollinary on 11 November 2014, 10:46:46 AM
The Bavarians look as if they are the same figures as PPW24 (Leon?) if not, I am not sure of the differences.
The PPW24 feldmutze figures are the exact same pose/style as the Prussian infantry in the middle of DP's photo, the only difference being that they've a slight peak to the hat. The lower leg/ankles look thinner than the PPW9 code, so you could maybe say the trousers were tucked in... 8)
The trousers are actually tucked into gaiters.
Chas
Quote from: Leon on 11 November 2014, 06:10:25 PM
The PPW24 feldmutze figures are the exact same pose/style as the Prussian infantry in the middle of DP's photo, the only difference being that they've a slight peak to the hat. The lower leg/ankles look thinner than the PPW9 code, so you could maybe say the trousers were tucked in... 8)
Well, that is a surprise! So it turns out I don't have any of PPW24. Maybe the two cartridge boxes would rule out these figures for 1866?
Mollinary
When you it sorted and make a decision I would love to know what figs and codes you go with.
Simon