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Welcome => Intro's and Welcomes => Topic started by: carnelian on 24 October 2014, 09:37:23 AM

Title: Hello all!
Post by: carnelian on 24 October 2014, 09:37:23 AM
Hi there.

I recently discovered Pendraken miniatures. The miniature ranges look really nice. However I only have experience with painting 28mm figures.

I recently ordered some 15mm FoW miniatures and was kind of scared by the size of the miniatures, but in the end I managed to cope with them. I was wondering if anyone with experience in painting both 15mm and 10mm can let me know if the experience of painting 10mm is similar to 15mm. I'm afraid I won't be able see a thing in 10mm minis.

Any feedback would be welcome before I decide on investing in an order.

Thanks for the help.

Cheers and Hi to you all!  :)


Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Ithoriel on 24 October 2014, 09:53:32 AM
Hi Carnelain,

welcome to the forum. I think you will find it, by turns, interesting, informative, amusing and ... strange :)

I hope you enjoy the time spent here.

As to painting 10mm figures, I don't find them any harder than any other scale. The smaller the figures, the less detail you need to paint to get the same effect. As figures get smaller you need to lighten the shade of the colours you use but otherwise one scale is much like the others.

I'm painting stuff from 1:600 to 28mm these days and find my Rolson magnifying visor useful for all these scales because my close vision is not what it was otherwise my painting style is largely what it was 40 years ago!
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: FierceKitty on 24 October 2014, 10:14:07 AM
I don't feel the need to shade much with 10mm, so much easier.
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: seano1815 on 24 October 2014, 10:21:05 AM
Hi welcome to the forum carnelian its great forum and a friendly bunch of members, In answer to your question 10mm is really no different to any other scale, definitely more forgiving detail wise as  Ithoriel said, I paint all scales, but love 10mm. You will see some great examples of how good 10mm can be on here, and as for the size of the figure I use a magnifier now as the old lamp oil is fading. So don't be put off by it, just dive in and give it a go.
All the best
Sean


Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Maenoferren on 24 October 2014, 10:39:13 AM
Welcome aboard. Basically my comments echo those above...I bought a range of varying magnification reading glasses for a quid a pair. I have a Rolson magnifier but prefer the glasses.
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: fsn on 24 October 2014, 10:48:33 AM
Hello Carnelian.

Welcome to the forum! I'm not going to offer anything - 'cos some of these chaps paint better in 10mm than I ever did in 54mm!
And I hate each and every one of them from the depth of my shrivelled, jealous heart.

It's a friendly place, with lots of support available if you need it.

Write soon - FSN
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Fenton on 24 October 2014, 10:50:39 AM
Welcome

Again I echo the comments above . One way of painting is to spray grey or white primer and give it a thined balck wash which will highlight the model for you making it easier to paint. Blocking in the colours then becomes easy, what you do in regards to highlighting and washing is entirely up to you

Just enjoy
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 24 October 2014, 11:18:06 AM
Hi and have fun.

IanS
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: FierceKitty on 24 October 2014, 11:20:17 AM
One critical difference is that there are many 15mm makers who produce Aztecs, but you can't get the dam' things in 10mm! Incredible, isn't it?
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: carnelian on 24 October 2014, 02:17:03 PM
Thank you all for the welcome and the comments!

I guess I will give it a go in the near future. If I go blind in a few years, at least I will know why!  ;)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Bodvoc on 24 October 2014, 02:37:23 PM
Welcome aboard, once you have tried painting a few 10mm figures I think you'll enjoy how quickly an army come together.
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Bodvoc on 24 October 2014, 03:01:39 PM
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One critical difference is that there are many 15mm makers who produce Aztecs, but you can't get the dam' things in 10mm! Incredible, isn't it?



Have a look at the Eureka miniatures Fantasy range, at least 3 types of Aztec looking little men there.
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 24 October 2014, 03:07:32 PM
Someone moaning the A word again ???

IanS
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: fsn on 24 October 2014, 03:26:46 PM
Quote from: carnelian on 24 October 2014, 02:17:03 PM
I guess I will give it a go in the near future. If I go blind in a few years, at least I will know why!  ;)
Cheers!

Are you setting up your excuses now?

Apparently "I" on the menu bar doesn't mean "invisible" - FSN
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Techno on 24 October 2014, 04:35:03 PM
A very warm welcome, Carnelian.

An Optivisor, or similar, might prove useful if you're starting to struggle with close up work !
Enjoy yourself....and don't be put off by the total lunacy that erupts here, from time to time....(Oh, alright.....quite often)  ;)
You couldn't meet a nicer bunch of folk on a forum.
They certainly know their stuff !

Cheers - Phil

Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Subedai on 24 October 2014, 04:48:39 PM
Wotcha Carnelian.

Painting 10mm is as easy as riding a bicycle once you get the hang of it. Similar to 15mm, the bolder and brighter the colours the better they look, especially if they are on bright, complamentary bases. Many a decent unit has been spoilt because the bases are too dark.

I have found the colour of the undercoat depends on what kind of figure you are painting. For Ancients or Medieval with lots of metal I would use black but for Renaissance onwards I would advocate white with a black wash for detail highlighting. Some say the colours are darker with a black undercoat but I can't say I've found that necessarily to be true.

As to the use of a magnifying glass, it's up to you but if you need a such a thing to paint detail with you may need one to see the detail later. I just use my reading glasses to paint with after I explained to the optician what I needed them for.

In the main, on 10mm most detail is just painted as a block or with a splash of colour so don't be put off by the apparent complexity of a figure, most of it will become obvious as you go along.

Happy painting.
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 24 October 2014, 05:09:28 PM
Hello there!
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Hertsblue on 24 October 2014, 08:52:25 PM
Hi Carnelian, welcome to the forum. I think you will find that once you take the plunge and paint a few it becomes that much easier. It's all down to confidence.
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Orcs on 24 October 2014, 09:57:31 PM
Hi Carnelian

Welcome to the forum asylum!
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Poggle on 24 October 2014, 10:13:13 PM
Welcome! I also had doubts about being able to paint 10mm effectively, but a pair of reading glasses and good light does the trick. Now I can turn out 10mm units far quicker than larger scale figures.  :)
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: carnelian on 24 October 2014, 10:46:32 PM
Thank you all.

Cheers  :)

Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: FierceKitty on 25 October 2014, 01:07:12 AM
Quote from: Bodvoc on 24 October 2014, 03:01:39 PM

Have a look at the Eureka miniatures Fantasy range, at least 3 types of Aztec looking little men there.

Thanks, I've seen them; but it's hopeless. Only two rather dubious types. That's like having a telephone directory and a school maths book and calling it a library.
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Leon on 25 October 2014, 01:23:26 AM
Hi Carnelian, welcome to the Forum!

8)
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: nikharwood on 03 November 2014, 05:14:45 PM
Welcome, Carnelian  :)
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: carnelian on 27 January 2015, 02:53:49 PM
Now!!!

Just got my AWI firing line prepped and primed.

Ready for my first 10mm painting experience!  :)
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Subedai on 27 January 2015, 03:01:52 PM
Go for it. Shame you started with AWI...you could have chosen a proper army like the Mongols!  ;)
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 27 January 2015, 04:13:59 PM
You sir are getting as bad as the Feline and FSN ......


IanS
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Subedai on 27 January 2015, 04:30:45 PM
Someone has to fly the flag.

Although without physically counting them I reckon I'm at least 2,500 posts behind FSN and FierceKitty about Centurions and Aztecs!  ;)
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: fsn on 27 January 2015, 04:50:09 PM
Man in a fluffy hat, chocolate bar, or marvel of British engineering?

(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/06/20/2_lge_Khan_080619024705718_wideweb__300x300.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrJoHbmdVwuL9fS3PqWmBceqxF6IuVu40AQ8WSJ47J7UjJJM60hA)
(http://www.panzerworld.net/tanksinworldwar2/pictures/uk/centurion-04.jpg)

No contest, surely?
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 27 January 2015, 05:21:59 PM
Yup, chocolate every time!
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Matt J on 27 January 2015, 05:32:13 PM
found this juxtaposition of mongols and tanks (no chocolate though)

(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/263/9/2/mongolian_tank_unit_squad_by_happymorningstar-d2z4936.jpg)

not sure what they're shooting at but must be awfully big
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Luddite on 27 January 2015, 05:32:32 PM
Mongol:  'Ooh that chocolate bar looks tasty.  Just one bite...'

Tank: 'NO!  NOOOOO!!!  MOVE AWAY FROM THE CHOCOLATE!'
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Post by: Matt J on 27 January 2015, 05:34:41 PM
that s more what I had in mind (still no chocolate)

(http://www.armyrecognition.com/Asie/Mongolia/Wheeled_Vehicle/btr-60/BTR-60_Mongolian_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Subedai on 27 January 2015, 07:00:57 PM
The man in the fluffy hat conquered a fair wedge of the Asian continent, the chocolate bar has conquered many a need for a sweetie fix and the Centurion has conquered...no sorry, nothing immediately springs to mind. :D
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 28 January 2015, 09:04:03 AM
But surely the Centurions conquered most of Europe (leaving out only Scotland, unfortunately they had the bad taste to invade Wales), Egypt, western Arabia, and lots of Asia Minor....

NCO's are the backbone of any army. I'd Agree Aztecs were a short lived chocolate bar, which I should no longer eat.

IanS
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Leman on 28 January 2015, 09:06:00 AM
Must admit the Roman Empire crossed my mind when I read Sub's post.
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: carnelian on 28 January 2015, 04:33:37 PM
Alas.

From my trusty historical sources, I hear that there were no chocolate eating, tank riding mongols during the fight for American Independence.  :D
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Subedai on 28 January 2015, 05:13:48 PM
Ah-ha! I see you fell for my deliberate ploy. If I had said centurions then yes I would agree about the Roman Empire but I said centurion singular meaning the piece of metal on tracks with a gun on the top.  :D

Quote from: carnelian on 28 January 2015, 04:33:37 PM
Alas.

From my trusty historical sources, I hear that there were no chocolate eating, tank riding mongols during the fight for American Independence.  :D

If they could have them I bet they would have done!
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 28 January 2015, 05:34:32 PM
But there were at least 5000 of them so referring to either type should be plural....

IanS
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: fsn on 28 January 2015, 06:57:04 PM
By the same token, neither the fluffy hatted horse botherer, not the melty confection managed to sling a 20lb shell at over 1000 m/sec.

Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 28 January 2015, 07:03:53 PM
Bet they did! ;)
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: Subedai on 28 January 2015, 08:24:01 PM
They could if they wanted to but bows and arrows did the job well enough so they didn't bother.  :)
Title: Re: Hello all!
Post by: CPTHilts on 29 January 2015, 12:23:15 PM
Welcome Carnelian

Cheers