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Wider Wargaming => Genre/Period Discussion => Firelocks to Maxims (1680 - 1900) => Topic started by: sdennan on 30 September 2014, 06:57:40 PM

Title: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: sdennan on 30 September 2014, 06:57:40 PM
I cant see a model for them so what do people use?

Thanks

SImon
Title: Re: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: mollinary on 30 September 2014, 07:08:39 PM
The Prussians did not deploy any 12pdrs in the FPW, only 6pdr and 4pdr Krupp rifled guns.  They did, however, have a shed load of them in 1866. These were modern, short, light, smooth bore shell guns, which equipped the Horse Artillery and some of the Corp Reserve Batteries.

Mollinary
Title: Re: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: sdennan on 30 September 2014, 07:21:28 PM
Ummmm sorry  I meant then.

Any model suggestions?
Title: Re: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: mollinary on 30 September 2014, 07:28:28 PM
Right,

This is a bit odd, cos my failing memory thought that there was one in the Prussian range!  If not, then I think the dozens of these I have are probably the 12pdr in the Bavarian range.  Prussians, Bavarians and Saxons all deployed these new fangled machines designed to make up for the poor canister performance of the rifled guns.  Leon might be able to remember what I ordered! 

Mollinary.
Title: Re: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: sdennan on 30 September 2014, 07:31:27 PM
You are a champ.

There is one in the 1st Holstein range so maybe that with Prussian crew.

Or I will just ask Leon.

Cheers

Simon
Title: Re: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: Leon on 30 September 2014, 08:16:51 PM
The ones for Mollinary were the Bavarian ones with Prussian crew, so we can do that for you, no bother at all.
Title: Re: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: mollinary on 30 September 2014, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: sdennan on 30 September 2014, 07:31:27 PM
You are a champ.

There is one in the 1st Holstein range so maybe that with Prussian crew.

Or I will just ask Leon.

Cheers

Simon

I would go for the later Bavarian one. The earlier one should be of the older, heavier, variety - although I don't actually own any of them.

Mollinary
Title: Re: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: Leman on 01 October 2014, 09:07:54 AM
I asked Leon for Wurtemburg 12 pdrs with 1870 Prussian artillery crews, which he was quite happy to do.
Title: Re: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: mollinary on 01 October 2014, 12:44:25 PM
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 01 October 2014, 09:07:54 AM
I asked Leon for Wurtemburg 12 pdrs with 1870 Prussian artillery crews, which he was quite happy to do.

That is odd, DP, as there does not appear to be a 12pdr in the Wurttemburg range!   :-\

Mollinary
Title: Re: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: Leman on 01 October 2014, 02:58:23 PM
Apologies, it was the Saxon smoothbore, which is in fact a bronze 12 pdr., as also used by the Prussians in 1866.
Title: Re: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 01 October 2014, 03:57:41 PM
That's what I've got too! :D
Title: Re: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: cameronian on 01 October 2014, 05:40:18 PM
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 01 October 2014, 02:58:23 PM
Apologies, it was the Saxon smoothbore, which is in fact a bronze 12 pdr., as also used by the Prussians in 1866.
For some reason I thought the Prussian 12pdr shell guns were iron not bronze.
Title: Re: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: mollinary on 01 October 2014, 07:51:09 PM
Quote from: cameronian on 01 October 2014, 05:40:18 PM
For some reason I thought the Prussian 12pdr shell guns were iron not bronze.

Beats the hell out of me!  :D

Mollinary
Title: Re: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: Leman on 02 October 2014, 09:31:53 AM
Not that I know of, but I have heard that both Bavarian and Brunswick Krupps breachloaders were cast in bronze. Needless to say mine are steel.
Title: Re: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 02 October 2014, 10:02:13 AM
Maybe they were bronze but then darkened like the French did?  :P
Title: Re: FPW Prussian 12lbers?
Post by: Hertsblue on 03 October 2014, 08:37:16 AM
The Russians certainly had bronze breech-loaders in their 1877 war against Turkey. They were markedly inferior in performance compared to the Krupp steel guns.