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Welcome => Intro's and Welcomes => Topic started by: Elhanko on 22 September 2014, 08:47:00 PM

Title: New to Pendraken
Post by: Elhanko on 22 September 2014, 08:47:00 PM
Hi All

I am new to 10mm and Pendraken.
I have just purchased 2 armies from the ACW range and I can't wait to get started.
Any handy hints at this scale will be very helpful thank you.
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: petercooman on 22 September 2014, 08:54:35 PM
Welcome!

One thing i do myself, is take one shade lighter than the colour i need, makes them stand out better on the table, when they are an arms length away!
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Maenoferren on 22 September 2014, 08:55:20 PM
Welcome aboard to a very friendly forum/madhouse/asylum :D
some fabulous figure painters in here who will be able to give you loads of help and support re painting...
Have fun
Cheers
Maen
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 22 September 2014, 08:57:23 PM
Hello and welcome.
Big hint from me, coat d'arms Deadly Nightshade is a brilliant blue for Union/Prussians/French
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Ithoriel on 22 September 2014, 09:13:40 PM
Hi Elhanko!

I'd second the suggestion to use slightly lighter shades than you would for bigger figures.

I'd also second the idea that there are friendly, helpful and supportive people here. For all that some of the posts may look to be proving the fine line that lies between genius and madness :)
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: mollinary on 22 September 2014, 09:15:41 PM
Welcome!

This bit of advice may sound counter intuitive.  Undercoat black - this allows you to be a little more imprecise in your painting, and the black acts as a "buffer/border" between different colours. It serves the same purpose as a lot of shading on bigger figures. A necessary partner to using a black undercoat is to use lighter colours for your main uniform colours than you would on larger figures.   There is very little space to reflect light in this scale, so if you use the exact colour, it all looks black from about three inches away!  Think Impressionism. An arm is a blob of one colour, with a highlighting blob of one shade lighter.   You can do this on ten figures at a time mounted with blue tack on a stick. It is simply a question of repeating a single, simple,  stroke, it does not require a lot of skill. Experiment - experiment - experiment. Find what suits you. There are loads of fantastic guides to painting 10mms on this forum - look forward to seeing your results.

Mollinary
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: fsn on 22 September 2014, 09:26:00 PM
Welcome Elhanko.

My piece of advice is to listen to these chaps. 4 out of 5 of them give very good advice, 1 out of 5 is ... well less than useful.

However, they're all well meaning and friendly. My ACW are very dark and brooding. All my figures are dark.
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Orcs on 22 September 2014, 09:50:01 PM


Hi Elhanko.

Welcome to the forum.

Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Leon on 23 September 2014, 01:08:34 AM
Hi Elhanko, welcome to the Forum!

8)
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: paulr on 23 September 2014, 04:58:44 AM
Quote from: fsn on 22 September 2014, 09:26:00 PM
My piece of advice is to listen to these chaps. 4 out of 5 of them give very good advice, 1 out of 5 is ... well less than useful.

By my count you were one out of six  ;) ;D

Welcome Elhanko

Opinions on undercoat differ, the main contenders, in no particular order are; black, white and grey, there are others.

I would suggest looking at some of the pictures of ACW figures posted and then ask how the ones you like were done  ;)
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 23 September 2014, 07:28:00 AM
Maoning.

IanS
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Hertsblue on 23 September 2014, 08:03:50 AM
Hi Elhanko,

Welcome to the forum. If you want some idea of what is possible in ACW have a look at this thread:

http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10357.105.html (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10357.105.html)

Have fun!
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Leman on 23 September 2014, 08:20:54 AM
Hi Elhanko and welcome. Take a look at the painting and modelling section of the forum. There are lots of very useful hints and tips there. After nearly 50 years of wargaming I am still experimenting and improving my techniques, not in small part owing to the help and advice on this forum.
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Chad on 23 September 2014, 08:49:53 AM
Elhanko. Welcome.

Unless you feel confident about using black undercoat from the start, I would
go with grey or white to start while you experiment with black.

I am an average painter and have never been able to satisfactorily
undercoat in black.

Totally agree with lighter shades for 10mm.

Chad
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Matt J on 23 September 2014, 09:02:49 AM
 :-h hi there!

painting models is like making babies, there's lots of ways to do it, everyone has their favourite, but the results are the same and some methods are more enjoyable than others  :)
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: petercooman on 23 September 2014, 09:26:45 AM
Quote from: Matt of Munslow on 23 September 2014, 09:02:49 AM
:-h hi there!

painting models is like making babies, there's lots of ways to do it, everyone has their favourite, but the results are the same and some methods are more enjoyable than others  :)

But making babies burns much more calories...
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Leman on 23 September 2014, 09:32:35 AM
Here's a method I use which is a halfway house. First off don't undercoat but PRIME. Primer adheres to metal much better than ordinary white, black or grey paint. I prime using Vallejo white primer, then, when thoroughly dry, I wash with a thinned black undercoat. This allows the detail to be seen but also shades the recesses:

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1299_zpsa8e8463c.jpg)
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Matt J on 23 September 2014, 09:59:36 AM
QuoteBut making babies burns much more calories...

only if you're doing all the work  ;)
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 23 September 2014, 10:23:18 AM
Lazy kitty are we Matt (better than a fierce one)

IanS
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Fenton on 23 September 2014, 10:44:25 AM
Welcome to the forum

I use the same undercoating method as DP except I undercoat in light grey instead of white
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: WeeWars on 23 September 2014, 11:14:03 AM
I'd like to try some of the Vallejo colour primers. Problem is the differences in the photos and colour swatches don't make choosing easy.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MzAwWDMwMA==/z/5EYAAOxye2lSXqJ~/$T2eC16VHJHIFFhi0pvg,BS(qJ+OJNQ~~60_35.JPG)

Is the light colour in the pot really going to dry that colour?
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: FierceKitty on 23 September 2014, 11:44:48 AM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 23 September 2014, 10:23:18 AM
Lazy kitty are we Matt (better than a fierce one)

IanS

Did I set fire to this guy's mother or something like that in a previous life?
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 23 September 2014, 11:45:59 AM
I prime white.
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Leman on 23 September 2014, 12:45:14 PM
My experience is that almost all Vallejo colours dry a little darker than they are in the pot.
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Subedai on 23 September 2014, 02:41:35 PM
Hi from me as well.

Black works, white works, white then black wash works. In other words you probably have nearly as many different styles of undercoating and priming as you have wargamers. As others have said, have a look at some of the examples on here and then try to emulate their methods. Or even ask the person whose style you like, I'm sure you'll get a helpful reply.
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: FierceKitty on 23 September 2014, 02:45:28 PM
I've used a heavy brown undercoat for Zulu armies too; it wasn't entirely unsuccessful.
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: fred. on 23 September 2014, 05:32:06 PM
Quote from: WeeWars on 23 September 2014, 11:14:03 AM
I'd like to try some of the Vallejo colour primers. Problem is the differences in the photos and colour swatches don't make choosing easy.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MzAwWDMwMA==/z/5EYAAOxye2lSXqJ~/$T2eC16VHJHIFFhi0pvg,BS(qJ+OJNQ~~60_35.JPG)

Is the light colour in the pot really going to dry that colour?

I have the non-primer version of that colour (green brown) and it looks much more like the bottle, certainly not as dark as the swatch. I have found the online vallejo swatches a bit hit and miss.
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: WeeWars on 23 September 2014, 06:26:38 PM
Quote from: fred    12df on 23 September 2014, 05:32:06 PM
I have the non-primer version of that colour (green brown) and it looks much more like the bottle, certainly not as dark as the swatch. I have found the online vallejo swatches a bit hit and miss.

Thanks!
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Elhanko on 23 September 2014, 10:17:26 PM
Hi everyone
Thanks for the warm welcome.
I will try some test figures and post a few pics before attempting to paint the pile of lead I bought last week.
Once again many thanks
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Maenoferren on 09 October 2014, 08:42:15 PM
Welcome to the forum
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: Techno on 13 October 2014, 11:05:03 AM
And from me, too !
Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: New to Pendraken
Post by: nikharwood on 15 October 2014, 03:33:07 PM
And me   8)