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Wider Wargaming => General Discussion => Topic started by: Leon on 12 September 2014, 09:39:25 PM

Title: Plural wargames?
Post by: Leon on 12 September 2014, 09:39:25 PM
We seem to touch on correct grammar quite often around here, so are we all playing with wargame miniatures or wargames miniatures?!  I was knocking up an advert for something and wondered whether I needed that extra s...

:D
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Ithoriel on 12 September 2014, 09:47:46 PM
I'd go for wargames miniatures - many miniatures for many games. No doubt FK will be here shortly to tell me why I'm wrong  ;D
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: FierceKitty on 13 September 2014, 01:12:22 AM
Would you listen?
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Leman on 13 September 2014, 06:04:59 AM
I think Charles Grant had a book out years ago called 'The Wargame', but it was Don Featherstone's title, 'Wargames', which most people seemed to adopt. Whichever I choose my spell checker tells me I'm wrong, as it only accepts them as separate words. Talking of plurals, however, AFVs is correct for many armoured vehicles, whereas AFV's denotes something belonging to one particular armoured vehicle.
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Ithoriel on 13 September 2014, 09:18:55 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 13 September 2014, 01:12:22 AM
Would you listen?

Listen? Of course!

Agree? Not so much :) :) :)
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Hertsblue on 13 September 2014, 09:45:31 AM
Seconds out!  Round two!  ;)

But seriously, folks, as a collective name for the hobby surely "Wargames" is common usage? And please, no apostrophe....
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: FierceKitty on 13 September 2014, 10:53:50 AM
Everyone speaks of "wargames", surely? Or Kriegspiel and so on.
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: fsn on 13 September 2014, 11:10:17 AM
Surely the plural should be "Warsgame" - like "Courts Martial".

:D

Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 13 September 2014, 11:29:52 AM
Er - NO

IanS
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: FierceKitty on 13 September 2014, 11:30:39 AM
Silly person.
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Sandinista on 13 September 2014, 01:03:47 PM
perhaps war's game
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Ithoriel on 13 September 2014, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: fsn on 13 September 2014, 11:10:17 AM
Surely the plural should be "Warsgame" - like "Courts Martial".

Right logic wrong outcome

Lots of courts, all martial ergo Courts Martial

Lots of games, all about war ergo Wargames

Quod Erat Demonstrandum :)
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: FierceKitty on 13 September 2014, 01:24:09 PM
But war's a game that, were their subjects wise,
Kings should not play at....

(from memory)
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Leman on 13 September 2014, 07:10:39 PM
Considering Leon's initial question; not very helpful.
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: fsn on 13 September 2014, 07:41:23 PM
Well, if you want a proper answer, I would suggest that either is correct. One may use miniatures to wargame, or one could use miniatures in wargames.

Personally I tend to use "wargames miniatures".
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Techno on 13 September 2014, 07:42:52 PM
Wargames Miniatures.....Shirley....Surely ?
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 13 September 2014, 08:09:32 PM
I play toy soldiers!
Wargames at Wargaming...
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Last Hussar on 13 September 2014, 08:34:48 PM
I wargame.

I have miniatures.

They are Wargame figures.
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: mollinary on 13 September 2014, 08:40:27 PM
Surely the answer is "Wargames' Miniaures". FK will sit in judgment on this.

Mollinary
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: FierceKitty on 14 September 2014, 12:27:01 AM
Not sure about the possessive. Surely the word wargames is a noun epithet, and as such requires no inflexion to qualify miniaures, whatever they are. ;)
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Ithoriel on 14 September 2014, 12:27:20 AM
But Mollinary, the Miniatures don't belong to Wargames ... they belong to me :)
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Hertsblue on 14 September 2014, 09:33:35 AM
And just to start a further controversy, they are "figures" and always have been.
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: JimLeCat on 14 September 2014, 11:25:01 AM
How about dodging the question entirely and describing them as wargaming miniatures - miniatures for wargaming?  ;)
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Luddite on 14 September 2014, 11:49:28 AM
....aaaand....that's the problem with trying to apply Latin grammar to Anglo Saxon language.   ;D

Pendraken makes lots of miniatures, for use in many wargames.  Therefore, 'wargames miniatures'.  Although, context can apply to modify that.

Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 14 September 2014, 11:50:04 AM
Teeny tiny toy men?
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Roy on 14 September 2014, 02:49:58 PM
Tabletop gaming. It sounds less brutal.
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 14 September 2014, 03:09:33 PM
Quote from: gingerbhoy on 14 September 2014, 02:49:58 PM
Tabletop gaming. It sounds less brutal.

Wimp  ;)

IanS
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Leman on 14 September 2014, 05:37:28 PM
Blood, sh*t and guts all over the place resulting in orphans and weeping widows games. Happier with that Ian?
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Techno on 14 September 2014, 05:43:09 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 14 September 2014, 11:50:04 AM
Teeny tiny toy men?

Stop it, Will.....I an NOT telling people I make teeny tiny toy men. ;D
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: Hertsblue on 15 September 2014, 07:57:54 AM
Quote from: JimLeCat on 14 September 2014, 11:25:01 AM
How about dodging the question entirely and describing them as wargaming miniatures - miniatures for wargaming?  ;)

Can also be read as "miniatures that wargame".  ~X(
Title: Re: Plural wargames?
Post by: JimLeCat on 16 September 2014, 07:30:55 AM
Quote from: Hertsblue on 15 September 2014, 07:57:54 AM
Can also be read as "miniatures that wargame".  ~X(

Ah! You've seen the spears on my 28mm dark age Scotti? Not go to mention the spears and bayonets of quite a few other figures I've seen over the years. They will definitely fight back against the unwary player!  :D