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Title: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Roy on 27 August 2014, 03:17:53 PM
I've got a few to paint, so will just throw all the photo's in here.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LcOydVJG410/U_4N7O--L6I/AAAAAAAABbE/CuVF1HRLx08/s1600/Art.%2BBatt.2%2B(2).jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VUqeoiREamw/U_4OBB2meLI/AAAAAAAABbM/ysZR_iJbbOI/s1600/Art.%2BBatt.%2B(2).jpg)

There's a couple more pictures on my blog, to be found here ~ http://projectsolowargame.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/acw-union-artillery-battery-pendraken.html (http://projectsolowargame.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/acw-union-artillery-battery-pendraken.html)
should anyone wish to see.

Any mistakes are because I'm not too bothered to find out what's wrong  ;D

Roy
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 27 August 2014, 04:55:03 PM
Look great to me chap!
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Roy on 27 August 2014, 05:07:18 PM
Cheers Lemmy.

[I've since altered the bases and painted the cannon barrels, should anyone (apart from mad lemmey) of seen the first set of photos]

Brigade officer will be finished tomorrow, as just the base to do. The it's the slow grind of the infantry.
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: nikharwood on 27 August 2014, 05:30:32 PM
Looking good, Roy  8)
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: mollinary on 27 August 2014, 05:34:49 PM
Look good to me. NCO's stripes in 10mm - Wow!   :D

Mollinary
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Techno on 27 August 2014, 06:37:31 PM
I like 'em !!  8)
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Leman on 27 August 2014, 08:34:11 PM
Well I think they look terrific, particularly the guy with the big ginger beard.
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Womble67 on 27 August 2014, 09:39:45 PM
Very nice, I do have a soft spot for ACW

take care

Andy
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Ace of Spades on 28 August 2014, 06:35:15 AM
That's the way to go!!! =D> Compliments!

Rob
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Roy on 28 August 2014, 07:45:25 AM
Thanks all.

Picture says it all, literally.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rd5ChcIcw6g/U_7dML_yXEI/AAAAAAAABcU/PvJ_jI2awQY/s1600/Inf.%2BBatt.1.jpg)
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Ace of Spades on 28 August 2014, 08:08:30 AM
If I may point out a detail (again... so sorry!) cartridgeboxes in the Union army were virtually 100% made in black leather... you might want to change that?
By the way; if you want me stop talking details just tell me; I can handle it ;)

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Leman on 28 August 2014, 10:46:12 AM
Oh go with brown for a bit of variety. Anyone can see they are Union troops. Your speed method seems to work extremely well.
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Roy on 28 August 2014, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: Ace of Spades on 28 August 2014, 08:08:30 AM
cartridgeboxes in the Union army were virtually 100% made in black leather... you might want to change that?
By the way; if you want me stop talking details just tell me; I can handle it ;)

Carry on, please. Always useful.

I painted the cartridge boxes brown, as Dour Puritan says, for a bit of variety. I'll continue this unit with brown boxes and then do the other three units with black.

Also, I'm going to mix up the uniform in regard differing shades of the basic colours. Again, for variety, and, by my reckoning (which is backed up by absolutely no historic research) the fabrics would be sourced from different manufacturing factories and so would allow for variations in shades between troops not clothed from the same army logistical supply base. No doubt wrong. But, allows me to keep it from getting boring, painting the same colours again and again.

Cheers for the compliments and input.

Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Ace of Spades on 28 August 2014, 11:22:22 AM
I'm almost sorry to say so but you're actually right! ;) Fabric came from different sources and in different qualities and shades because of different batches of dyes, wear etc. so different shades of blue is absolutely correct!
If you want to put in some  'historically correct' variety: canteen covers came in different shades; from brown through grey to sky- en dark blue and some didn't even have covers (or lost them) and were left plain metal. Same thing goes for blankets on top of the packs and blanket rolls; these could be virtually any color; red, natural, grey, brown and dark blue for wool blankets (not even mentioning all the different civilian ones carried around), skyblue for rolled greatcoats, black if a soldier was smart (or lucky) enough to roll his bedding into a rubberized groundsheet or poncho and off-white if he wrapped his cotton duck shelterhalve around it. Haversacks also came in rubberized or plain cotton so both black or off-white are okay.
I guess there's quite a few possibilties to liven up things :D
If you like too see some pretty damn close colourwork; check out Don Troiani's paintings on the Internet; he's stunning and every single item he paints is thoroughly researched!

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Roy on 28 August 2014, 12:12:02 PM
Noted the above.

I am familiar with Mr Troiani's work. Got to say that he does make mistakes though (his own admission, on a painting concerning battle honours on a flag), though he then researches and spots his mistake and paints another picture. I can't remember the name of the picture - I believe it's some Confederate troops sitting, and one is painting a new battle honour to the battleflag. The mistake was concerning the colour of the most recent victory, or some such detail (I can't remember, to be honest).

I think it was these two ... but I no longer have the book which stated what it was.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Reb_Al/Alamo%20Forum/Mo-79.jpg)

(http://www.comgun.ru/uploads/posts/2011-07/1311193923_37.jpg)

I did have quite a few ACW uniform books, but got rid of them a few years ago  :'(

Anyway. These are only 10mil, they're too small for anyone to notice, right?  ;)
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Ace of Spades on 28 August 2014, 12:35:23 PM
I Always say that everything I can paint can be noticed ;)
The main 'problem' is that our armies are not pinned to one exact date as are pictures and/or paintings normally; we want to build something that'll last us a whole war meaning we sometimes have to cut corners or just paint something that is perfectly historical for one date but can be completely misplaced in the next campaign. Painting several versions of one and the same regiment is an option but goes a bit too far, even by my standards... :D
I know re-enactors though that have uniforms for both main theatres (Eastern and Western) and every single year and both nationalities so why complain about 10mm armies... :o

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Roy on 28 August 2014, 01:28:36 PM
I'll just paint them all up in very dark shades of grey, model on some torches / lamps, and paint on the reflecting flame light on the models holding them - painting troops as a night attack would solve all problems  :D

(http://brucepittman.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/torch02.jpg?w=300&h=192)
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Leman on 28 August 2014, 01:49:27 PM
Don Troiani's Civil War pp.62 and 63 - apparently he had to repaint the picture as white battle honours pre-dated blue battle honours.
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Ace of Spades on 28 August 2014, 06:01:04 PM
Quote from: gingerbhoy on 28 August 2014, 01:28:36 PM
I'll just paint them all up in very dark shades of grey, model on some torches / lamps, and paint on the reflecting flame light on the models holding them - painting troops as a night attack would solve all problems  :D

(http://brucepittman.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/torch02.jpg?w=300&h=192)
Or leave out the torches/lights, play in a dark room and paint nothing at all; tell the others there's two corps marching down the road and thats it! :D
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Roy on 28 August 2014, 07:43:29 PM
Wasn't sure if General's had gold stripes down their trouser legs? I've spotted some on various officers (which I took to be Colonels) but none of the famous generals I've googled wore gold-striped trousers. Unless I just found the wrong pictures?

The horse tack was painted light brown for the contrast - the equine tack I've seen in pictures are actually black. This is me, probably, playing fast and loose with history (again!).  ;)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GKzJzikPVX4/U_85USZxIiI/AAAAAAAABcs/OcM7GR6n8ks/s600/Officer%2BDennis.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AHBBEDD33IE/U_85UZnjy7I/AAAAAAAABcw/Csi8b-cfFjU/s600/Officer%2BDennis1.jpg)

Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Roy on 28 August 2014, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 28 August 2014, 01:49:27 PM
Don Troiani's Civil War pp.62 and 63 - apparently he had to repaint the picture as white battle honours pre-dated blue battle honours.

cheers. I wish I never sold this book now  :(
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Ace of Spades on 28 August 2014, 08:40:24 PM
Don wouldn't mind you buying a new one I bet ;)
Officers uniforms are always a 'one off' affair; they were expected to buy their own kit and were more or less free to get what they wanted as long as they didn't get any fancier then their superiors usually...

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 28 August 2014, 10:56:24 PM
Very good base.
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Leman on 29 August 2014, 06:38:21 AM
One of Custer's uniforms was particularly decorative - black velvet, mid-blue collar edged in white with a white star on each collar tab, gold Austrian knots on the sleeves, gold seam stripes on the trousers, red neckerchief.
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Ace of Spades on 29 August 2014, 06:44:34 AM
Indeed; it made him look a bit like a sailor... ;D
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Techno on 29 August 2014, 07:10:47 AM
Very nice work again, Roy. :)
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Hertsblue on 29 August 2014, 08:43:47 AM
Quote from: gingerbhoy on 28 August 2014, 07:43:29 PM
Wasn't sure if General's had gold stripes down their trouser legs? I've spotted some on various officers (which I took to be Colonels) but none of the famous generals I've googled wore gold-striped trousers. Unless I just found the wrong pictures?


On parade, possibly. But in the age of the long-range rifle I would have thought any sensible general (and I don't include Custer) would wear as unremarkable a uniform as possible?
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 29 August 2014, 08:53:40 AM
Not many worried, many died ingloriously.
Sedgwick fell at the beginning of the Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, on May 9, 1864. His corps was probing skirmish lines ahead of the left flank of Confederate defenses and he was directing artillery placements. Confederate sharpshooters were about 1,000 yards (900 m) away and their shots caused members of his staff and artillerymen to duck for cover. Sedgwick strode around in the open and was quoted as saying, "What? Men dodging this way for single bullets? What will you do when they open fire along the whole line?" Although ashamed, his men continued to flinch and he said, "Why are you dodging like this? They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance."[4] Reports that he never finished the sentence are apocryphal, although the line was among his last words.[5] He was shot moments later under the left eye and fell down dead.
Title: Re: gingerbhoy's ACW thread
Post by: Roy on 29 August 2014, 09:39:46 AM
Thanks all. Be a while now before I post anymore pics, as it's the turn of the infantry which will take longer to finish.

I looked up D.Troiani's books on Amazon yesterday, and spotted a few ACW books that I'd not known about previous

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Don-Troianis-Civil-War-Infantry/dp/0811733181/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=undefined&sr=1-1&keywords=Troiani (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Don-Troianis-Civil-War-Infantry/dp/0811733181/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=undefined&sr=1-1&keywords=Troiani)

anybody read the above, or any of the others in the series, as it'd be a help to know if they're any good?

Cheers. Roy