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Title: painting black
Post by: raykey on 21 August 2014, 09:06:41 AM
Got some special forces(15mm sas), They have black uniform and black body armour,how do you deliniate berween the  two, tried different ideas but they just look black
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: Fenton on 21 August 2014, 09:22:14 AM
Maybe a charcoal grey highlight on the edges of the armour?
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: raykey on 21 August 2014, 09:27:39 AM
Will give it a go cheers
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: Ace of Spades on 21 August 2014, 09:31:22 AM
Since I paint with enamels I don't know if my advice will be of much use, but for what it's worth: Humbrol have a very dark grey (Panzergrey I believe it's called) and I use that for black cloth and items like that. You'll see the difference when you paint 'true' black next to it. After that a dark grey highlight on some of the 'soft' items usually does it...

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: Ithoriel on 21 August 2014, 09:32:11 AM
I tend to use different highlights - dark grey, dark blue, dark purple or very dark brown depending on what the material is supposed to be. I tend to use grey for fabric and the other colours for harder stuff like armour. Alternatively, all one colour highlight with matt varnish for fabric and gloss for leather/ armour/ etc.

Works for me, YMMV  
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: Ace of Spades on 21 August 2014, 09:42:31 AM
Sounds sensible too Ithoriel and indeed is something that I also do!

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 21 August 2014, 09:49:40 AM
Black, then black wash, then highlight dark grey on the edges. If it's black metallic then a flash of white helps!
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: Matt J on 21 August 2014, 10:20:22 AM
blue grey edge on the armour something a bit subtler on the cloth.
Here are some of the 10mm scifi marines, the cloth isn't black but I used that technique on the armour.

(http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/MattofMunslow/GSKmercs2_zps4bc5bf24.png)
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: Poggle on 21 August 2014, 02:20:07 PM
If I have two areas of black to paint, I mix some flesh tone in one batch of paint. It makes a kind of 'rusty' black shade.
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: Last Hussar on 21 August 2014, 02:58:04 PM
The cloth should be lighter - it gets washed more.
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: Subedai on 21 August 2014, 03:44:57 PM
Vallejo do  a Black Grey (862) which works really well as an alternative to black.
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: Rob on 21 August 2014, 04:10:50 PM
I had a similar problem when painting my boys LOTR orcs (I know  :-$), every thing was very dark and the armour and helmets were black. I had a eureka moment when I dry brushed with silver. It made all the edges and high points stand out.

You might try grey, but I have found (except for armour) the best dry brushed high lighter is buff as it always seems to look very natural.

Cheers, Rob  :)
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: Last Hussar on 21 August 2014, 07:10:29 PM
I used "bolt metal" drybrush
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: paulr on 21 August 2014, 07:48:26 PM
Quote from: Subedai on 21 August 2014, 03:44:57 PM
Vallejo do  a Black Grey (862) which works really well as an alternative to black.

This is now my favorite "black" after some earlier advice on the forum

Quote from: Rob on 21 August 2014, 04:10:50 PM
... I have found (except for armour) the best dry brushed high lighter is buff as it always seems to look very natural.

I use a very very light dry brush of  Vallejo Deck Tan as a final highlight
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: nikharwood on 25 August 2014, 03:03:04 PM
I did my 28mm SWAT team using grey highlights for cloth & blue for armour:

http://nikharwood28mm.pbworks.com/w/page/7827194/SWAT%20team
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: Leman on 25 August 2014, 03:21:22 PM
Didn't Mick Jagger do a post on this in the 60s?
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: toxicpixie on 25 August 2014, 05:42:03 PM
That was more DIY related, on house painting - doors, I think.
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: Leman on 25 August 2014, 06:08:25 PM
Was he after the No.10 gleam?
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: Hertsblue on 26 August 2014, 09:09:12 AM
He went out painting lines of cars, if I remember correctly. They probably had to ban him from the Ford production line....
Title: Re: painting black
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 26 August 2014, 11:23:46 AM
Ok - so boasting that Ford actually said - "anything you like BUT black"...

IanS