I was looking through the lists of a well known 1/300 manufacturer and spied the Charioteer. Am I correct in saying this is a Cromwell with a 20 pdr mounted in a special turret?
I see one was used in Lebanon as late as the 1980s.
Seems like an easy conversion from a Cromwell
It was. The turret was new, I think.
(http://historywarsweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/image/Charioteer.jpg)
Too late for WW2, by a fair margin. Lightly armoured. Used mainly by the TA.
According to the Osprey on the Cromwell the Lebanese fitted em with the L7 105, atr least 2 vehicles. They got hem from the Jordanians after 67. Jordan had about 140. Also supplied to the Finns.
IanS
Quote from: ianrs54 on 15 July 2014, 10:22:17 AM
According to the Osprey on the Cromwell the Lebanese fitted em with the L7 105, atr least 2 vehicles. They got hem from the Jordanians after 67. Jordan had about 140. Also supplied to the Finns.
IanS
And the Austrians.
The Cromwell chassis coped with the L7?!
Bloody hell, that's good going for a WW2 era Medium Tank :S
Which is what I thought, bearing in mind the hassle with the 17 pounder that resulted in the unsightly Challanger, and the under gunned Comet (a modified lower velocity 17 prd . The up gunned Cromwell looks ....imposing. Turret was probably cramped and unwieldy.
I have the Sherman M51 in 1/300 and saw a chance to pit it against the Charioteer in a middle east skirmish.
If Pendraken were to add a new turret we would have one more piece of modern post war stuff on the table.
There is also an easy conversion with a Stuart M3/5 to a highly effective Brazilian AFV Bernardini X1A2 that could give a Scorpion a run for its money.
Quote from: toxicpixie on 15 July 2014, 01:34:36 PM
The Cromwell chassis coped with the L7?!
Bloody hell, that's good going for a WW2 era Medium Tank :S
Well Stingray is the same size, or smaller......(NO WASP JOKES PLEASE), but the 105's were Lebanese conversions, which were u/s by the time experts from Bovvy got to see them. However the weapon is designed to fit a turret with the 20pdr, re-gunning cents was a case of un-bolting the weapon and bolting a new one in. The major job was changing the ammo racks, so it's theoretically possible. Bet firing was interesting though.
That's what I was wondering - the actual *mounting* should be easy enough (assuming the turret is deep enough?), as the L7 was a "no fuss conversion" from any 20pdr mount... but pulling the trigger must put a lot of strain on a tank chassis/turret ring originally intended for a relatively low powered 75mm... that's thirty year sold, to boot :-\
Stingray/MGFS or whatever it's called this appropriations period maybe about the same size and weight, but is a new build and has sixty years of technological and metallurgical progress behind it...
I suspect the effect would look very similar to a Sherridan firing 152mm shells, a 3-4ft leap into the air and a humongous dust cloud.
IanS