Okay. This wasn't meant to happen. I just ordered enough figures to fight The Wars of the Roses with DBA by mistake. I don't even own DBA. Stupid quality service, nice castings, and friendly forum.
I feel like I'm hijacking this forum. Apologies for all the posts.
Oh, I just ordered DBA as well. It's not even supposed to be very good. Oh dear.
The only sensible approach is to give in, relax, and order some more.
:D
Hijacking!
Nah!
Fill yer boots!
yes, hijacking would perhaps look like posting 900 times begging for a single new tank model, perhaps?
:-[
Would it help if we all started insulting you? 'war of the Roses eh? More like war of the pansies'
;-)
DBA might be a bit long in the tooth now, and have under gone a few to many rewrites for my taste but it's core is still good :)
Or try Basic Impetus. It's a good lead in to Impetus proper with many more troops ;)
Or Bloody Barons - Peter Pigs WoR offering - feels very in keeping with the period.
Quote from: toxicpixie on 09 June 2014, 09:21:31 PM
DBA might be a bit long in the tooth now, and have under gone a few to many rewrites for my taste but it's core is still good :)
Or try Basic Impetus. It's a good lead in to Impetus proper with many more troops ;)
Or Bloody Barons - Peter Pigs WoR offering - feels very in keeping with the period.
DBA appealed due to the slightly abstract nature of the game, and the 2' board. I'm usually drawn to more leisurely rules like Pike and Shotte, though. I'm sure to give Impetus a try in the very near future as well.
Update: just downloaded Basic Impetus. Bedtime reading sorted!
I have tried DBA on 60mm frontage bases on a 4'square table. It works remarkably well and the twelve elements actually look like armies. Bloody Barons is an excellent set of rules. I see no reason why they would not work with DBA frontages, as both sides would be based the same. Each battle becomes part of a mini-campaign - you cannot guarantee who has made it to the battle. Furthermore all the main battles of the WOR are presented as BB scenarios at the back of the book.
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 09 June 2014, 09:51:39 PM
I have tried DBA on 60mm frontage bases on a 4'square table. It works remarkably well and the twelve elements actually look like armies. Bloody Barons is an excellent set of rules. I see no reason why they would not work with DBA frontages, as both sides would be based the same. Each battle becomes part of a mini-campaign - you cannot guarantee who has made it to the battle. Furthermore all the main battles of the WOR are presented as BB scenarios at the back of the book.
Thanks for that. Space and time are both hindrances for me in terms of regular games (I can devote whole days to large games only every now and then) so DBA, or Basic Impetus now I've read the rules(!), look promising.
Is 'Dour Puritan' an indication of a devotion to all things Mid-Seventeenth Century?
Quote from: Plasticoutsider on 09 June 2014, 08:30:38 PM
I feel like I'm hijacking this forum. Apologies for all the posts.
Post as much as you like 'Plastic'....That's what the forum's all about. :) ;)
Cheers - Phil
Hijacking the forum's a bit like drinking the North Sea....
Quote from: Hertsblue on 10 June 2014, 09:31:42 AM
Hijacking the forum's a bit like drinking the North Sea....
Talking of the North Sea I have been thinking of doing some ww1 naval recently, does hallmark do WW1 ships?
Funny you should mention naval. I seem to have developed an annoying itch about my middle midriff during my time in Hanoi.
Quote from: FierceKitty on 10 June 2014, 11:00:15 AM
Funny you should mention naval. I seem to have developed an annoying itch about my middle midriff during my time in Hanoi.
Gadzooks!
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 09 June 2014, 09:51:39 PM
I have tried DBA on 60mm frontage bases on a 4'square table. It works remarkably well and the twelve elements actually look like armies. Bloody Barons is an excellent set of rules. I see no reason why they would not work with DBA frontages, as both sides would be based the same. Each battle becomes part of a mini-campaign - you cannot guarantee who has made it to the battle. Furthermore all the main battles of the WOR are presented as BB scenarios at the back of the book.
Bloody Barons & Peter Pigs "mini-campaign" pre-game sequence - that's a feature of the PP games I *really* like (usually). No battle is fought in isolation,and they all add some real period flavour. The BB one is particularly good, I think, and I did like the original AK-47 version. Some of them have got a bit unwieldy though. New AK or the ECW one are too long winded for the game, IMO.
"Big Base" DBA is also nice, but these days I prefer a bit more granularity in casualties so I'd give Basic Impetus a pip higher score ;)
Well, DBA just arrived, and I read Basic Impetus last night.
It's all go.
I'll give both a try.
I now need to buy a load of reference material on The Wars of the Roses.
Get in.
Good stuff, crack on, crack on, play the game!
I like both tbh :)
Quote from: toxicpixie on 10 June 2014, 08:19:50 PM
Good stuff, crack on, crack on, play the game!
Once my Pendraken order arrives, and I get 2 armies painted, I'll press gang someone into trying DBA with me, and report back. I made a slight tactical error though, I jumped in with 2 feet (as I always do) and ordered figures based on the 1st edition army list. Version 2.2 of DBA arrived today and I notice the lists are quite different. Bot.
DBA does give nice, quick and fun games IMHO. Perfect for when you don't have time to set up big battles. Also not having to put your back out manouevering your troops across as 6'x4' table is also a bonus :D.
Can't wait to get started. Do people think I'll be okay using first edition army lists with second edition rules? I shouldn't have ordered the figures before buying the rules.
Are they not both basically bows or blade in the main? Can imagine there's a lot of difference?
Hi, this probably doesn't constitute much of a problem at all, but I've never played DBA before:
1st ed. Wars of the Roses - 3 3Kn/ 4Bd (men-at-arms), 3 4Bd (billmen), 3 4Lb, 2 4Bd or 4Bw or 3Ax, 1 Art or 2 Ps
2nd ed. - 1 3Kn or 4Bd (Gen), 1 3Kn or 3 Cv or 4Bd, 3 4 Bd, 6 3/4Lb, 1 Art or 3Sp
I'll probably stick with 1st ed army lists since the figures are on the way, it's a bit frustrating though. Actually, in the great scheme of things, no it isn't!
If it's only you playing, PO, it doesn't really matter, does it? Medieval armies weren't made up of fixed quantities of standard units, but of whoever was available at the time. The army lists of either edition are only an average of an average of several battles, so choose whichever pleases you.
Quote from: Plasticoutsider on 11 June 2014, 06:15:11 PM
Hi, this probably doesn't constitute much of a problem at all, but I've never played DBA before:
1st ed. Wars of the Roses - 3 3Kn/ 4Bd (men-at-arms), 3 4Bd (billmen), 3 4Lb, 2 4Bd or 4Bw or 3Ax, 1 Art or 2 Ps
2nd ed. - 1 3Kn or 4Bd (Gen), 1 3Kn or 3 Cv or 4Bd, 3 4 Bd, 6 3/4Lb, 1 Art or 3Sp
I'll probably stick with 1st ed army lists since the figures are on the way, it's a bit frustrating though. Actually, in the great scheme of things, no it isn't!
So... 1st ed. can have an extra Knight, and has the possibility of one less Bow but a really useful amount of light troops (2 Aux & a Psi), but the 2nd Ed has more Bow and a Spear or Cav stand if you wanted. Not a massive difference - in practice they always tend to up about a 50/50 Bow/Blade split with a couple of Knights in my experience :D
As Herstblue says, it's your game anyway, so set them up how you like :D
Thanks both!
Not knowing the system, I wondered if the army lists were rigid (given the amount of space they take up in the rule book, and the abstract nature of having 12 bases in in each army). Sounds like they're not though, so I'll go ahead and be my usual fluid self.
Can't wait to get painting. I get my orders sent to the university were I work, so I'm starting to take a huge interest in the internal post...
Well, technically they're set in stone but tbh with the WoR lists there's not a lot of difference and you can set up basically the same army... if you were playing in some hypercompetitive "rules as written ONLY" environment you find it a bit awkward, but DBA itself won't give you a problem :D
Let's face it, playing DBA is like playing Beethoven's fifth on a child's xylophone - you can just about manage the basic theme. But it's fun and it's fast and if you roll poor dice you lose. Bitter? moi?
So, like, if I roll well I might win? Sounds like my kind of game!!!
I read the rules last night; they're somewhat challenging
'[...] or mounted in close combat with enemy in, bad going on or off-road, or if mounted attacking a BUA unless elephants.' P.26
It reminds me of the shipping forecast!
Heh, see the recent thread in Barkerese! He's famed for such sentences. In an attempt to be clear an cover all situations he makes them unreadable :)
I like him more with each passing minute. I'd rather esotericism than the shallow gloss of many rule sets.
Wow, that sounded so pretentious! Sorry everyone!!!
You've not really played DBA until you've played it in the original Serbo-Croat, you know.
Quote from: toxicpixie on 12 June 2014, 10:46:13 PM
You've not really played DBA until you've played it in the original Serbo-Croat, you know.
Surely, for true authenticity, one should read the rules in the language of the army one is deploying on table? ;)
I like Barkerese, the bloody awful sentence structure means that by the time you had decrypted it and understood it you had actually learned the rule.
Also his rules were quite innovative DBA and DBM sat nicely between old school 6th Edition (write orders for all units) and the bloatware that was to become Borehammer (every unit moves, every unit shoots, every unit fights, every turn).
Phil has more than his fair share of knockers (its become the national sport on TMP) but for wargaming, he's the best thing since sliced Featherstone.
I thought DBA was amazing, and I still do - even if it's long in the tooth now it's still a cracking game and as you say full of innovation at the time. Real breath of fresh air and very energising. I'm still of the opinion that the "big battle" versions (DBA and all its spin offs) were actually a step backward :D
Quote from: Ithoriel on 12 June 2014, 10:59:52 PM
Surely, for true authenticity, one should read the rules in the language of the army one is deploying on table? ;)
Haha, yeah... I think I need to learn about three dozen languages retrospectively :D
Well I got a nice email this morning (sent late last night) telling me my Wars of the Roses figures are on their way.
Exciting!
Quote from: Plasticoutsider on 13 June 2014, 08:03:52 AM
Well I got a nice email this morning (sent late last night) telling me my Wars of the Roses figures are on their way.
Exciting!
Update: figures are here!
That's amazing service. Much appreciated.
Actually, I must congratulate Leon & co as well, got an order thru yesterday from last week. Stirring stuff, see if I can get them painted for next weekend...
Quote from: Plasticoutsider on 13 June 2014, 10:39:04 AM
Update: figures are here!
That's amazing service. Much appreciated.
Quote from: toxicpixie on 13 June 2014, 10:59:34 AM
Actually, I must congratulate Leon & co as well, got an order thru yesterday from last week. Stirring stuff, see if I can get them painted for next weekend...
:-bd
Here's a quick photo of some finished Welsh auxiliaries for DBA. Also pictured, a cottage I made out of foam core and wood filler.
Not bad at all ... but even better the right way up!
Adding images is always such fun on the forum :)
Quote from: Ithoriel on 19 June 2014, 08:40:09 PM
Not bad at all ... but even better the right way up!
Adding images is always such fun on the forum :)
Weird. They're the right way up in real life...
If you click to enbiggen they flip back upright...
Nice hut btw!
Quote from: Plasticoutsider on 19 June 2014, 08:42:28 PM
Weird. They're the right way up in real life...
Only if you were hanging from the light fitting while you were taking them
My intention is to use the term 'enbiggen' at least once every day.
Happy to unhinderate your word speak!
Nope, even "enbiggened" (Don't let FK see you using words like that :) ) it's upside down ... but bigger.
They look better upside down
Dux Australis?? ;)
Quote from: Ithoriel on 19 June 2014, 11:42:29 PM
Dux Australis?? ;)
Still upside down in NZ, even if "enbiggened" :-\
Fortunately I haven't read any of this thread (better dead than read, to steal a line).
Ah, even if enbiggened on my PC they're upside down, where as enbiggened on the iPhone they switch to right way up... I am... confused...
Pictures were taken with an iPhone. Maybe witchcraft ensues during the digitalthingummyjig that happens during transmodulification to PCs. Or something.
Is it maybe your phone's settings that's smallerizing them for sending by email etc
Quote from: Fenton on 20 June 2014, 08:45:24 AM
Is it maybe your phone's settings that's smallerizing them for sending by email etc
Shouldn't that be "dislarging"? ;)
It's probably something Jobsian interfering with the Gatesish protocols. How nonuseful.
There's no truth to the rumour that the OED is planning an extra volume to incorporate these new "words". :D
I think you may find that an unfact, as opposed to a correctlie.
Although with the local accent "correctlie" is actually what "correctly" sounds like... except they put about seven syllables in everything.
ANyway, I shall leave with Dr Johnsons parting comment.
"Sausage?! SAUSAGE?!"
Yeah, I'm glad I joined this forum. I feel like I'm among friends.
Nice, well-rounded people!
I'll try using a different machine for future photographs.
It's probably time I ordered that Parliamentary army, I suppose.
I wonder if this is the right way up?
Straight up, top to bottom, and all that jazz :)
Actually, were you posting from an iPhone? mine has a tendency to flip the pics, I think it might depend on which way up I had it at the time...
No definitely upside down.....pass another beer.
IanS ;)
Quote from: toxicpixie on 20 June 2014, 09:01:38 AM
I think you may find that an unfact, as opposed to a correctlie.
Although with the local accent "correctlie" is actually what "correctly" sounds like... except they put about seven syllables in everything.
ANyway, I shall leave with Dr Johnsons parting comment.
"Sausage?! SAUSAGE?!"
SAVE THE APOSTROPHE!
Quote from: toxicpixie on 20 June 2014, 10:52:26 AM
Straight up, top to bottom, and all that jazz :)
Actually, were you posting from an iPhone? mine has a tendency to flip the pics, I think it might depend on which way up I had it at the time...
That one was sent from a PC at work. Which is why everything's the right way 'round. Note to self...
Quote from: Plasticoutsider on 20 June 2014, 10:47:17 AM
I wonder if this is the right way up?
(http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10131.0;attach=3575;image)
Very clever that. You got them to stick to your fingers, and the bluetac (or glue or doublesidedstickytape or whatever) can't even be seen.
:-bd
Nice painting, as well.
Thanks. Yeah, superglue's pretty super. I got into quite a pickle when I came to glue the wheels to the artillery piece...
Even there, Blue-tack us your friend, blob of BT on the desk, stick wheel to BT, bit of superglue on the axle, prop into place with yet more BT, wait a while then fo the other wheel.
Or even, both wheels into BT at roughly the right distance, glue on both axles, lower carriage between wheels and press gently on wheels to locate. And Robert's your mother's brother.
Then you take them out of the blu-tac and they don't move, stick to you etc etc......
IanS
Quote from: GordonY on 20 June 2014, 09:04:03 PM
Even there, Blue-tack us your friend, blob of BT on the desk, stick wheel to BT, bit of superglue on the axle, prop into place with yet more BT, wait a while then fo the other wheel.
Excellent! Blu Tac acquired; I'll let you know how I get on. Thanks again.
So, in their abstract, minimalist, glory
8)
Cheers - Phil.
Very impressive.
Getting there, PO, definitely getting there.
I'm intrigued by the playing surface. You haven't flocked an entire sheet, have you?
Quote from: Plasticoutsider on 09 June 2014, 09:29:30 PM
DBA appealed due to the slightly abstract nature of the game, and the 2' board. I'm usually drawn to more leisurely rules like Pike and Shotte, though. I'm sure to give Impetus a try in the very near future as well.
Has anyone tried DBMM. I know that the doubles competition is for 500 Army Points (AP) and the singles competition is 400 AP.
But there are two other options the DBMM 100 format and DBMM 200 format. (100 AP and 200 AP).
The favoured basing for 10mm. Figures is to use 15mm. size bases and increase the number of figures used by 50%.
Very impressive with Pike.
The forum for dbmm a good place for a newbie to ask questions
www.dbmm.org
Yahoo! Group
https://groups.yahoo.com/group/dbmmlist
Manchester Area Wargames Society meets every week Thursday and Sunday
https://groups.yahoo.com/group/maws-list
Milton Keynes have a very active club and a large dbmm group of players.
Sorry dbmm.org should have had .uk
www.dbm.org.uk
Miss keyed yet again !!!!!!
www.dbmm.org.uk
More haste ---- less speed