Well there's nothing like a new set of rules to get me firing on all cylinders again, after a week away in Italy at my daughters wedding. An excellent event, but I narrowly missed Solferino. Anyway, on return I downloaded a copy of the revised On to Richmond rules, and was intrigued to see how close the basing system is to my 60x30mm bases and that it has a very simple conversion to the FPW. As a consequence out came the box of unpainted Prussians and today I have temporarily based and then primed enough for 6 bases of Prussians plus 20 casualty markers:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1298_zps72d89620.jpg)
I did the priming with Vallejo white primer by brush. Once dry I gave the chaps a wash of Miniature Paints black Primer:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1299_zpsa8e8463c.jpg)
Not bad for a day's work. Tomorrow I'll get the first colours on them.
Always nice when a new project gets the creative juices flowing. I look forward to seeing more updates soon (ish).
Definitely a good start :)
Good to see some more FPW in progress, must get back to mine!
I've never seen this type of painting technique before (starting with a white undercoat/black wash) , I look forward to seeing the end result!
Quote from: mad lemmey on 08 June 2014, 07:35:53 AM
Good to see some more FPW in progress, must get back to mine!
Yeah, reminds me I've still got an 1866 Austrian infantry brigade and an entire Prussian division to finish. (sob!)
Sunday saw the painting of trousers. I started with a strip of Vallejo red on the legs then painted Vallejo black grey to either side to give as thin a red stripe as i could get on a 10mm model. I was really looking for an impression as much as anything, as in reality the red welt is very, very thin, except for senior officers. Next came the blue coat. This is a tricky one for 1870 Prussians. Prussian blue looks wrong, especially as I was trying to get an approximation of the colour depicted by Alphonse de Neuville in his FPW paintings. What seems to work for me is Vallejo Oxford Blue. It in itially has a purplish hue when first applied but dries to a darkish blue hue. Once this was done I applied the first colour to the face, Vallejo Beige Brown:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1300_zps870e2d66.jpg)
This photo isn't brilliant, but it does show that position of guns, bayonet scabbards, etc. can reduce the amount of trouser welt painting needed. I've also cut down the number of figures photoed. I'll show the whole lot once they're based up and ready to go. Part of this exercise is to find out how long that will take, given I need 50 infantry bases alone for the Prussians in this scenario. Now to press on with collars and cuffs whilst enjoying a Francoise Hardy fest.
Coat d'arms Deadly Nightshade, black wash, then highlight. Use it on all of mine, brilliant colour.
I pipe red with a OO after and then touch up.
Spent about three and a half hours on the little blighters today painting collars, cuffs and strapping. Only three colours used: black, white and red, but it seemed to take forever. Then again I am tackling a bunch of just over 100 figures. Made a few slips which can be corrected later. Also I had to make sure I did enough with black belting to represent a fusilier battalion:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1303_zpsef893d81.jpg)
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 09 June 2014, 09:28:11 PM
Also I had to make sure I did enough with black belting to represent a fusilier battalion:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1303_zpsef893d81.jpg)
Good stuff, so often neglected. Remember,of course, that this corps contains a Fusilier Regiment, so that is three more battalions to add to the other 7! ;) :D
Mollinary
When this corps is completed it will contain 50 60x30mm bases. This current batch is just IR 58. There will also be two bases of jagers plus the attendant artillery and the two dragoon regiments. Good job I've already got some French done. BTW I have asked a friend of mine to try and pick up the Napoleonic flags at Phalanx as I can't go this year owing to the show being moved from third to second Saturday of the month (my walking club day). Thanks very much for the heads up on the flags for 5th corps.
Wow! So how does these rules work then? That would be two bases per battalion, do they operate independently or as a regiment or brigade? There seem to be about 28 figures a battalion? I am sure I have a copy of the original set of rules somewhere, I must get it out. Final (!?) question. What is the Siamese twin figure in the front rank - not sure I have seen it before?
Mollinary
The figure is a bit of a naughty, i.e. Irregular WWI infantryman supporting a wounded Uhlan. Thought it would make a good cavalry disruption marker. The rules are On to Richmond, which are brigade based. In the FPW variant a six base unit represents a Prussian regiment. One lucky regiment will become 8 bases when it gets the jagers. A French brigade is represented by 8 bases. In the original rules a brigade has a standard setting of 6 bases but can be up to 10. A FPW cavalry brigade can be between 6 and 8 bases and an artillery base (same base width) represents 12 guns. I will operate mitrailleuses as half bases.
Wrong again, I seem to have a copy of every set of ACW rules published in the last thirty years, apart from that one! :(
It sounds interesting though, so I will see if I can get a copy. Thanks for sparking the interest.
Mollinary
Download from Scale Creep Miniatures, $15 and of course no postage.
This project has slowed down a little of late owing to the influence of Mad Lemmey (in a good way) and a playtest of an FPW adaptation of Altar of Freedom. The reasoning was that at last I would be able to get the likes of Froeshwiller and Mars la Tour on a reasonable size table. To do this it's goodbye battalions and hello regiments. A European regiment at this time was a similar size to an ACW brigade (which is the basic single base unit in Altar of Freedom). Lemmey fits in in the sense that I wanted to show an active regimental base, so I settled on the 60x60mm as a diorama:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1312_zps163ed119.jpg)
As you can see, it's very Mad Lemmey influenced. So far two divisions of I corps have been prepared:
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Meanwhile the Prussians have acquired a little more colour. Must admit to finding the painting of brass quite arduous but it looks better from wargaming distance:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1313_zps5306d162.jpg)
I was worried I had done something wrong that had put you off DP, but cracking bases, so impressive. 8)
The guns! Love that idea! :D
Love the look, will allow you to play a reduced version of Volley and Bayonet as well. For the Prussian Artillery officers in the rear rank, are you doing the cuffs red first, so that you can cover with black and so leave a thin bit of red piping showing? If so, clever idea, I have a lot of Prussian gunners to paint, so I may steal it!
Mollinary
The two officers without swords are going to be painted up as fusilier adjutants, with the sash over the shoulder, but you are right about me painting artillery cuffs that way. The artillery are based up as a 12 gun base. The presence of the mitrailleuse adds extra adjusters at shorter ranges, but they are on narrower bases as they are in 6 gun batteries and the German gunners may well want to try and knock them out.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1310_zpse4fba740.jpg)
Those look cracking, DP ! 8)
The bases look terrific.
Cheers - Phil.
Always try to do justice to your stuff.
Very nice looking force.
Is this style of basing now officially known as the Lemmy style?
I think it ought to be as it's where my inspiration came from. Having said that I do think it's the sort of basing which does real justice to 10mm figures (and 6mm for that matter).
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 23 June 2014, 06:26:25 PM
Always try to do justice to your stuff.
Not me Guv' ;)......I'd have
liked to take the credit though.
Cheers - Phil
I did somthing similar with my 6mm Napoleonics, based on 3" square bases for Volley & Bayonet. The Brigades of each Division used a common formation which helped tie them together visually on the table. For example one Division had the battalions of its brigades all in line, another division all in columns...
Excellent, DP. The French colours are particularly well done. :-bd
Quote from: Techno on 23 June 2014, 07:48:42 PM
Not me Guv' ;)......I'd have liked to take the credit though.
Cheers - Phil
I wonder who did them then. I thought they were very much in your style Phil.
Andy
The 'Boss' would know. :)
I was going to write that I only tend to do the 'Ancients' and some of the more 'Modern' stuff......
Thinking about it, though......I seem to fly around all over the place. ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil
Dragons next then?
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 24 June 2014, 08:41:44 AM
I wonder who did them then. I thought they were very much in your style Phil.
These were all done by Tony, same chap who did the SYW, Naps, Medievals, ACW, ECW, etc.
8)
I completed the first division of V Korps then realised I needed some Jagers to flesh out the first two regiments, as it is not really viable in AoF to use them as a single battalion. Rather I give them to one or two regiments and then give those regiments a +1 for having attached Jagers. The front two regiments will receive them as soon as I have painted them up, along with some mounted officers, command stands and standard bearers for the grenadiers (7th regiment). You can just make out that lot lurking at the back. Having glossed everything, I then applied the Galeria matt varnish, but not to the helmets.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1314_zps95040f24.jpg)
Very nice sir, like the positioning on the bases, looks like a drawn out attack column. 8)
I'll be adding some jagers to the front of the two nearmost bases as the forward, relatively thick, skirmish line.
So, how many figures spread across these bases (looks like four bases, c25 to a base)?
I ended up with 27 per base, giving three nines of lines or columns or a great mass uf mid deployment! ;)
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 29 June 2014, 01:51:37 PM
I'll be adding some jagers to the front of the two nearmost bases as the forward, relatively thick, skirmish line.
Very nice, puts mine to shame :'(
Quote from: mad lemmey on 29 June 2014, 03:00:07 PM
So, how many figures spread across these bases (looks like four bases, c25 to a base)?
I ended up with 27 per base, giving three nines of lines or columns or a great mass uf mid deployment! ;)
It's working out to between 24 and 30 depending on the effect I'm trying to create. I try to get a goodly number on as it is supposed to represent between 1800 and 3000 soldiers. The + and - variables reflect a variety of things such as training, confidence, numbers, previous casualties etc. The baseline is 0 for an average French regiment. If bolstered by some chasseurs it gets +1. If it's been in previous action, carrying casualties or is becoming demoralised it gets -1. Other modifiers are added and subtracted on the firing and close action tables. Cavalry are particularly poor. A cuirassier brigade (either side) starts the game on -2 before anything else is taken into account. Once I can get a game underway I shall have to produce an AAR to demonstrate how the system works.
Great stuff, Andy ! 8)
(Strange.....Could have sworn I'd put that already.......Gibber !)
Cheers - Phil.
While the Prussians and French were on the stocks, drying etc, I also rebased my Austrians in preparation for the Skalitz project, really just to see if I could give the impression of attacking columns of the 1866 doctrine. I'm quite pleased with the results, so the rest of the troops will be produced once Froeschwiller is sorted. The Austrians had no divisions as such but instead divided their corps directly into brigades. In Altar of Freedom this will cause significant command problems for the Austrians as only army and corps commander can issue command points.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/IMG_1320_zpsc0cd8000.jpg)
The previous photo shows the project so far, ie. two brigades plus a further regiment from the third brigade. As previously I have distributed the jagers amongst the regiments, but in third brigade only one regiment will get the benefit of the jagers. The regiment shown has instead a skirmish line from its own infantry. Some closeups:
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No I didn't!
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Lovely stuff DP! =D> =D> =D>
Mollinary
Very nice DP.
:-bd =D> :-bd =D>
Very dynamic basing
Thanks folks. Hope to complete the first Prussian division and post photos over the next couple of days, then I'm off on the canals for 21/2 weeks. On return it's con tinue with the French third division.
Great job !
Cheers - Phil.
Cracking stuff, DP 8)
Well, after a three week hiatus on the narrow boat, I picked up the paintbrush this afternoon and got to work on the remaining zouaves and mitrailleuse to complete third division of French 1st Corps. As usual I am trying something new, ie. a base of burnt umber for flesh, to be followed by dotting in a light flesh tone. I saw this as a technique on a 6mm site and I think it could work just as well on 10mm. I am also using burnt umber for the base coat of the eagles on the standard poles and on the fringes of the flags themselves, to be completed with gold. Photos when done, if I can persuade photobucket to upload. Before I went away it failed with my completed Prussians, although I will give it another go later.
Looking forwards to seeing them.
Managed to upload the Prussians. Didn't seem to get as good light this time, but the groundwork is done, including the apple stalks (tree trunks) and a command stand with a hussar messenger vignette.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1326_zps705cdced.jpg)
This is one of the regiments to which jagers have been assigned.
Actually two regiments with a jager battalion split between them.
Have just tried the face painting technique. Not bad, but I reckon I need a bit more practice. That said, the contrast between flesh and burnt umber is very pronounced and brings the faces to life, so even though they're not that great I won't have to redo them.
Look damn fine to me !
Cheers - Phil
Superb sir! Might steal the stalk idea...
:-bd =D> :-bd
Will also file that apple stalk idea for future use :)
Very, very nice, DP. And the apple stalks work really well. 8)
Just discovered I,ve painted my three latest French flags the wrong way round; BUMMOCKS!
Don't you mean Skcollob?
Always good to see 1866 figures so nicely painted and based, well done; re the 'Austrians had no divisions' thing; apologies if you know this already (but it can be confusing if you encounter it in the literature) but the Austrians did have divisions, two companies grouped together comprised a 'division'.
Sorted the flags. Once appeared in a Western skit playing Kit Carton (he's a bit of a case) in which the 'baddie' was Gib Skcollob, Which gave rise to Minnie Ho Ho's classic line, "Father won't let us marry because of Gib Skcollob." We planned to do the Reverand Spooner's version of Robin Hood but realised it was a non-starter with Friar Tuck. Yes, I did mean the Division which is divided into Brigades.
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 30 July 2014, 02:03:43 PMWe planned to do the Reverand Spooner's version of Robin Hood but realised it was a non-starter with Friar Tuck.
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 30 July 2014, 02:03:43 PM
Once appeared in a Western skit playing Kit Carton (he's a bit of a case) in which the 'baddie' was Gib Skcollob, Which gave rise to Minnie Ho Ho's classic line, "Father won't let us marry because of Gib Skcollob." We planned to do the Reverand Spooner's version of Robin Hood but realised it was a non-starter with Friar Tuck.
:D ;D :D
Great stuff! :D. So each square base is an infantry regiment, a cavalry brigade, or two batteries of artillery. The mitrailleuse are on the the narrow bases? Is this for VnB or Altar of Freedom, or both?
Mollinary
Awwww! I'm still looking at them. The mitrailleuse base is an idea I came up with to get them on the table, ie if an artillery base has a mitrailleuse base attached it gets an extra plus one, but only out to 6". An AoF amendment. For 1866 the range of the needlegun is only 2" (same for 1870), but Austrians don't get to fire at all owing to tactical doctrine, ie all Austrian nfire will be at very close range as part of the melee phase. Still working on these various amendments.
Love the FPW and your figures! I'm still working on several French and Prussian Corps for Gravelotte-St Privat in 6mm... not going very fast I must admit... :(
Cheers,
Rob
Tell me about it. I've been on the FPW for three or four years now, but life and other projects crop up.
Took me an F5 to refresh but then the piccies showed up.
Seriously impressive stuff! Love the big bases, lots of figures units.
Can see them all now, D.P.
Look DAMN fine too !! :-bd =D>
Cheers - Phil.
In the above photo the first row in from the left and second base up is the one that got the satin varnish treatment. Don't honestly think you can tell from the photo, but in the real world they do look better than just flat matt.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1333_zpsd89dbc1d.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1332_zps2ca28ce2.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1331_zps8c447322.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1330_zpsab830e06.jpg)
Hope that's reinstated things.
Now you don't see them, now you do! ;D ;D
Mollinary
Can see them this time
:-bd =D> :-bd =D> :-bd
Think I've worked out what the problem was: initiallyI posted them from my general library, after which I moved them to the Froeschwiller library and hence this perso has moved them. I've now reposted from the Froeschwiller library which is their permanent home so they shouldn't vanish again.
And now I do!
Peek-a-boo army!
Very nice old chap. 8)
:-bd
This thread is beginning to remind me of being at school and shown Lawrence of Arabia as a Christmas treat, but the teacher got the reels in the wrong order :o or :d
Some of the posts are in the 'wrong order' as well, now ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I seem to have liked them before they were posted.
I'll say I like them lots again, for when a couple more posts get deleted. X_X X_X X_X ...And this one gets edited. ;)
Cheers - Confused of Wales. :P
See my previous reply. Now I know what caused the problem the thread should appear in order from now on.
Whatever order they're supposed to in, the figures look highly impressive. :-bd
Phil - stop taking the pills...
Photos now work, but my quote post has gone. Do I detect moderation ?
IanS
Nuffin' to do with me, Guv. ;)
I've been moderated too ! ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil
Very nice work, DP. The basing looks highly effective. I sold all my 15mm FPW before emigrating. Looking at your work is tempting me into starting up again.
Great stuff. Although I'm not a fan of the brigade-on-a-base type of approach, you've done them justice.
Quote from: Poggle on 07 August 2014, 09:17:36 PM
Very nice work, DP. The basing looks highly effective. I sold all my 15mm FPW before emigrating. Looking at your work is tempting me into starting up again.
Yes, I too am in the process of selling my 15mm FPW.