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Title: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: pierre the shy on 05 June 2014, 09:57:39 AM
Can anyone point me at a photo of this item please? Had a look through the photo thread but couldn't spot any pics.

Part of the Boer War range but still in use in 1914.  

One source that I have (The Affair at Nery by Patrick Takle - part of the Battleground Series) shows the MG Section of each British cavalry regiment having 2 MG's mounted on carts pulled by four horses.

Normally the guns were dismounted and put on tripods before firing, but at Nery at least one trooper of the Queens Bays is supposed to have opened fire with the MG balanced on his knees in his haste to engage the attacking Germans.  

Cheers
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Ace of Spades on 05 August 2014, 09:16:13 PM
Hi Pierre,

Here are my Boer war Maxim carts; they come supplied with two horse each and the carriage is the two horse type which I believe was supplied to the infantry.
As you can see I built one being drawn and the other being fired with the horses being led away.
Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Rob
(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l572/RobBerends/PendrakenBWMaxim1.jpg)
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: toxicpixie on 05 August 2014, 09:57:27 PM
Very tasty! Makes me tempted to get some for,  errr, yeah...
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: barbarian on 05 August 2014, 11:49:41 PM
I like your browns.
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Ace of Spades on 06 August 2014, 07:12:06 AM
Thanks for the compliments gents!
I know they could be painted up to a higher level of detail but for wargaming purposes they will do.
On the browns; I work with enamels and always try to use slightly different shades here and there.

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Leman on 06 August 2014, 07:52:18 AM
OMG, I struggle to reach the level already depicted.
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Ace of Spades on 06 August 2014, 10:28:35 AM
I know this might be like swearing in church but Armypainter Quickshade does the trick in most cases for me :-$

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Leman on 06 August 2014, 11:01:41 AM
Gave up on it when my tin dried solid even though I'd only used a third of it. Now use the dreaded Agrax Earthshade and have to put up with being called dude and endlessly asked what I am painting only to be met with blank looks because my answer didn't involve the darkly threatening Endbollocks of the Lord of Blood Spurm.
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Ace of Spades on 06 August 2014, 11:25:06 AM
The stuff is damned expensive indeed but I love the results and yes, if you don't keep the lid clean and hammer it down after use it dries really fast! I've never heard of the Agrax Earthshade but it sounds like something GW...? Is it an ink or so?

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Subedai on 06 August 2014, 11:27:08 AM
Magic Wash in either dark brown or black does it for me,,,and a sight cheaper than any other option I can think of! Never even thought of using the Armypainter spray/paint or whatever, if it didn't work or I couldn't get on with it that would be the equivalent of nearly 4 packs of Pendraken shininess wasted.
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: toxicpixie on 06 August 2014, 11:28:54 AM
I buy my Reiksland Flesh from the model shop up the road - he's usually too busy trying to convince the locals that yes, if they break their RC models they have to pay to repair them :D

Haven't tried Agrax but am told it works well. Army Painter is good, but overly expensive and needs turps to clean brushes. I find a B&Q wood shade works nicely though and is only six quid a tin ;)
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Leman on 06 August 2014, 11:44:28 AM
Agrax is an acrylic brown wash. Sometimes I mix it with acrylic varnish to kill two birds with one stone. Never seen Magic Wash advertised.
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Ace of Spades on 06 August 2014, 12:37:25 PM
You guys all have stuff that I can't get my hand on in the Netherlands I fear. Or we have it but it's called different so I wouldn't know what to buy! Always something isn't it...
By the way; turps don't scare me; I'm an enamel man and proud of it! Or at least, that's what I still seem to remember...?!?  :D

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Leman on 06 August 2014, 01:05:02 PM
It's probably called Aagraax Ootheer Noodersaam.
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: toxicpixie on 06 August 2014, 01:31:27 PM
I think this is what I use, but it looks like they've changed the cans!

http://www.diy.com/nav/decor/paint-woodcare/woodcare/varnishes-and-lacquers/interior_varnishes___coloured/B-and-Q-Quick-Dry-Interior-Varnish-Rosewood-10298538 (http://www.diy.com/nav/decor/paint-woodcare/woodcare/varnishes-and-lacquers/interior_varnishes___coloured/B-and-Q-Quick-Dry-Interior-Varnish-Rosewood-10298538)

I'd suggest posting you a tin to try but I suspect the Post Office and Customs might get funny, what with their paint based shenanigans recently :/
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: nikharwood on 06 August 2014, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 05 August 2014, 09:57:27 PM
Very tasty! Makes me tempted to get some for,  errr, yeah...

I'm with TP here  :)
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Ace of Spades on 06 August 2014, 06:02:56 PM
Then buy some Maxim carts folks! What (or who?) is holding you back? :d

On the varnish; Dour Puritan:  ;D ;D ;D
                       Toxicpixie: if you could photograph the details about the contents on the can I might be able to compare it to some of the stuff they sell over here!

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Techno on 06 August 2014, 06:38:37 PM
Oops.....Haven't said how much I liked Rob's work on the previous page !
Better (a bit) late than never.
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: toxicpixie on 07 August 2014, 08:21:17 AM
Rob - I have no money for fripperies and no use or period for them anyway :D

Apart from that, nothing is holding me back ;)

Popped a 360 set of photo's below - the B&Q goes on quite dark brown ish, so it shades and tones, like the Army Painter Strong Tone only a bit stronger. It's gloss, so needs a really good dull coat of varnish after unless you want the "shiny toy solider" look - which I admit is good on some figures!

Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: toxicpixie on 07 August 2014, 08:21:41 AM
And a couple of the other sides...
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Ace of Spades on 07 August 2014, 10:30:00 AM
Thanks Toxicpixie!
I think I have a pretty good of what to look for now. As soon as I've tested some I'll share the results!

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: toxicpixie on 07 August 2014, 10:32:38 AM
It's pretty dark, so shades nicely, but not so dark it kills the figures. I must stress I don't "dip" but instead paint it on as needed so I can control the flow better! It is very gloss, so again I stress the matt varnish afterwards :D
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: pierre the shy on 07 August 2014, 11:22:04 AM
Very nice - thanks for taking the time to post your pics Rob, I really appreciate it.

Cheers
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Ace of Spades on 07 August 2014, 06:35:40 PM
You're most welcome Pierre; hope they were of any use to you.
@ Toxicpixie; don't worry; I always paint on my Quickshade as well and it's glossy too so I'm used to matt varnishing afterwards ;)

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: toxicpixie on 07 August 2014, 08:24:13 PM
You'll be well skilled for it then :D

It's not darker, but it is browner, if that helps visualise the look! I'm sure a bit of experimentation with similar products will yield different results but I rather liked it so stuck with it!
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Subedai on 07 August 2014, 10:33:02 PM
Quote from: Dour Puritan on 06 August 2014, 11:44:28 AM
Agrax is an acrylic brown wash. Sometimes I mix it with acrylic varnish to kill two birds with one stone. Never seen Magic Wash advertised.

Sorry, I have only ever heard it called Magic Wash but it's not a commercial item per se. Basically it's a mix of acrylic liquid floor polish, ink and water which you mix to your own requirements. I bought a bottle of the stuff from our local Robert Dyas and it cost me the princely sum of £4.95 for 1/2 a litre. The made up, standard-sized jam jar full will last me for years and it doesn't dry out. Can't recommend it enough for both price and coverage.

This bloke explains it much better and you can see how it comes out with examples of his work on the site as well.

http://www.fat-wally.com/PaintingService.html
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Subedai on 07 August 2014, 10:35:14 PM
Forgot to mention that it also dries as flat as a witches...
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Leman on 08 August 2014, 06:34:35 AM
Thanks for that link Subedai. His painting does look amazing after that magic wash.
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: toxicpixie on 08 August 2014, 08:04:21 AM
Yeah, I used the coloured varnish as I wasn't confidant in my ability to mix what people were referring to as Magic Wash :D
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: Fenton on 08 August 2014, 08:10:58 AM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 08 August 2014, 08:04:21 AM
Yeah, I used the coloured varnish as I wasn't confidant in my ability to mix what people were referring to as Magic Wash :D

I have read online that Antique pine is the closest to AP Strong Tone, I have tried it  ( the B&Q one ) and it seems a little too light in colour, maybe the Ronseal one is slightly darker

I do have some magic wash wsh stuff and do struggle with it, always either is way too dark or doesnt seem to work at all. I know some people just use the Klear as a flat coat then once dry use an ink wash over it to get into the crevices, my next experiment will be a bottle of AP strong tone ink and a tin of clear varnish to see if that works

Army painter are bringing out a  more transparent AP strong tone ink which might be interesting to use
Title: Re: BW10 British maxim gun cart with horses and crew - Pictures of?
Post by: toxicpixie on 08 August 2014, 09:05:11 AM
Yeah, I think the Antique Pine is too light. The Rosewood is quick dark, and quick deep brown in shade so I think it works nicely! I've a tin of AP Strong Tone gifted from a friend and it's definitely different - the AP is less colouring, and gives a crisper definition but the B&Q gives a nicer overall look and blends edges better. I think. I'll probably change my mind next time I use either :D