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Wider Wargaming => Genre/Period Discussion => 20th Century => Topic started by: Subedai on 24 May 2014, 01:02:27 PM

Title: WW I Japanese Artillery
Post by: Subedai on 24 May 2014, 01:02:27 PM
I'm doing a bit of research with an idea to do Japanese, Germans and British in China in WW I but have hit a brick wall on the types of heavy artillery used by the Japanese. Were they the same as they used in the R-J War or had they upgraded at all?

Also, does Pendraken do anything that would be suitable without too much chopping about?

Ta in advance.

Mick
Title: Re: WW I Japanese Artillery
Post by: Fenton on 24 May 2014, 01:09:22 PM
From what I can find the Japanese used either a 70mm field gun and a 120mm howitzer (1904), they also used the 1905 type 38 75mm field gun which a local licence made German 75mm Krupp which was negotiated in 1905 it was also still used in WW2
Title: Re: WW I Japanese Artillery
Post by: Hertsblue on 26 May 2014, 08:48:50 AM
The German 7.7cm gun was modified by the Japanese by removing the pole trail and substituting a hollow box trail. This enabled the piece to elevate more steeply and thus increased its range.
Title: Re: WW I Japanese Artillery
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 26 May 2014, 10:00:07 AM
Hello Subedai

I've also had a look at this campaign, from  http://www.gwpda.org/naval/tsingtao.htm (http://www.gwpda.org/naval/tsingtao.htm)

QuoteJapanese Forces Besieging Tsingtao
18th infantry division consisted of 23rd infantry brigade (46th + 55th infantry regiments) + 24th infantry brigade(48th + 56th infantry regiments), 22d cavalry regiment, 24th field artillery regiment (six 6-gun batteries), an engineering battalion, a logistics battalion, attached sanitary and signals sections, and possibly a mountain artillery battalion (two 4-gun batteries). The 29th infantry brigade (67th infantry regiment + 1 battalion of 34th infantry regiment) followed up the division.

Siege artillery consisted of a naval artillery detachment (of 10 cm. and 15 cm. naval guns), Miyama and Yokosuka heavy artillery regiments, Shimonoseki and Tadanoumi heavy artillery battalions, a total of about 100 guns from 12 cm. to 28 cm. caliber.

The 6th and 12th infantry divisions detached 2 logistics battalions and 2 engineering battalions. A group of 3 Army airplanes (Farmans) and 2 railway battalions joined.

Later, 8th infantry regiment arrived to occupy the Shantung Railway.

The British deployed the 2d battalion of South Wales Borderers, later reinforced by 2 infantry companies of the 36th Sikhs Regiment.

You could use the WW1 German artillery or the FPW siege guns PPW17. Possibly the Boer War Krupp guns could be used as well for mountain guns etc.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan

Title: Re: WW I Japanese Artillery
Post by: Subedai on 26 May 2014, 02:57:49 PM
All good stuff, cheers for that.

Grumps.  I'd found that site as well but your info on the siege and mountain gun codes was on the button.
Title: Re: WW I Japanese Artillery
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on 26 May 2014, 10:41:51 PM
Subedai

You could also look at the naval guns and the 155mm Crueset from the Boer War range for naval guns mounted as siege guns.

You've probably already seen these but here's some more pics of Japanese artillery to be retained in the forum:-

(http://www.cityofart.net/bship/qingdao_siege_gun_firing.jpg)

An 11-inch "Osaka baby" field howitzer roars away

(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=21562)

(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=212432)

(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=21563)

Also Type 45 24cm Howitzer was used:-

(http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/24cm.JPG)

(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=21566)


(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=21564)

Later picture ,WW2, but same gun

(http://forum.axishistory.com/files/hk6_105.jpg)

Here's what Lentulus did for Coastal artillery but you could use the same principles for siege guns:-

http://10mmpatrioticwar.blogspot.com.au/2011/10/some-new-bits-and-pieces.html (http://10mmpatrioticwar.blogspot.com.au/2011/10/some-new-bits-and-pieces.html)



Cheers

GrumpyOldMan
Title: Re: WW I Japanese Artillery
Post by: Hertsblue on 27 May 2014, 08:45:28 AM
A certain amount of scratch-building required there, Grumps, but impressive if you can manage it.
Title: Re: WW I Japanese Artillery
Post by: Subedai on 29 May 2014, 06:43:44 PM
Brilliant stuff Grumps. Thanks for putting in the research time on 'a bit of an out of the way project'.