Stuff I don't like

Started by DanJ, 27 February 2014, 03:42:01 PM

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DanJ

While considering new projects I realised that a suprising number of possibilities were unappealing, I'm probably just old, cynical and have rolled too many dice but here's my list of personal biasis and steriotypes:

WW2 Eastern Front - Tigers and T34s I think it boils down to finding both sides deeply unappealing, I just don't care who wins.

Napoleonics - Either British Line shooting French Columns OR French columns smashing through everyone else, colourful but boring.

Hundred Years War - English longbows shoot French knights - colourful but boring.

Civil Wars - Identical armies using identical tactics - lacks interesting variety - boring

Wars Of The Roses. - particularly bad example of a civil war, English longbows shoot English longbows - colourful but very boring.

World War 2 generally - always seem to become a 'nerd fest' of armour/gun arguments.

Post WW2 - Long range 'nerd fest'

Super/Veteran Units - Don't like 'em, they're always over powerful, appear in larger numbers than they should and often seem chosen just to make winning easier.



Fenton

If I were creating Pendraken I wouldn't mess about with Romans and  Mongols  I would have started with Centurions , eight o'clock, Day One!

FierceKitty

Generally agree, barring what are technically civil wars between Japanese armies, and the ECW; ample internal variety in these for my taste.
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fsn

I think you're left with Colonials and a few ancients.

You don't like similar armies, and you don't like differences. I think, for example that to discount WWII as a 'nerd fest' of armour/guns, is to discount some interesting campaigns. For example, much of the Pacific War wasn't tremendously mechanised; Crete is a fascinating infantry campaign and throughout most of Germany's army waddled round on foot. You just need to pick your scenario and keep the tankies away. I'm getting into the Eastern front in 1941. The T28 and T35 were many things, but not boring.

I like civil wars (especially the ACW). If you have two armies that are exactly the same, the confrontation becomes a battle between the generals. Strips away the ephemera and gets down to the better leader winning.

Agree about the Napoleonics. French beat everyone in Europe, think they're something special until a few red coats show them who's really the boss.   :P For added fun, game the Peninsula and a significant Spanish element on the British side. It gets the sphincter quivering. 

I agree about super units. I try and eschew them. (Having said that my 20mm Russian Napoleonics was the Guard Corps.)


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DanJ

QuoteSo what do you like?

To clarify, I don't like Eastern Front not because the campaigns might not be interesting but because I don't care for either the Germans or Russians, neither side has anything redeeming features as far as I can see.   

What I like are conflicts where there is a radical difference between forces but where each has a chance of winning or conflicts where there are sufficient variations to make things interesting. 

My all time favourites are late antiquity through to the third crusades not only very different armies but different civilisations. I dable in Ancient Bronze age.  Great Italian Wars to the fall of Rome.  World War 1 the speed and scope of development was amazing.






Chad

Danj/fsn

Never looked at the campaigns of 1813 and 1814 then?

Chad



paulr

Quote from: DanJ on 27 February 2014, 07:31:01 PM
To clarify, I don't like Eastern Front not because the campaigns might not be interesting but because I don't care for either the Germans or Russians, neither side has anything redeeming features as far as I can see.   
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My all time favourites are late antiquity through to the third crusades not only very different armies but different civilisations. I dable in Ancient Bronze age.  Great Italian Wars to the fall of Rome.  World War 1 the speed and scope of development was amazing.

I'm curious, what are the "redeeming features" of a Crusader army   :-\
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27 February 2014, 08:15:55 PM #7 Last Edit: 27 February 2014, 08:19:55 PM by fsn
Quote from: DanJ on 27 February 2014, 07:31:01 PM
neither side has anything redeeming features as far as I can see.   
I can see what you mean. The Eastern front can seem like massive fists battering at each other. The Italians facing Russian cavalry could be intriguing, and as I say the early war has interest. What about the Winter War?   

Quote from: Chad on 27 February 2014, 07:39:24 PM
Never looked at the campaigns of 1813 and 1814 then?

Vittoria and the Toulouse? Course!  :P
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DanJ

You are missing out Try Burma 1942 -45


Mart

sebigboss79

Quote from: DanJ on 27 February 2014, 07:31:01 PM
What I like are conflicts where there is a radical difference between forces ...

Vietnam war?


Quote from: DanJ on 27 February 2014, 07:31:01 PMbut where each has a chance of winning or conflicts where there are sufficient variations to make things interesting. 

Oh...damn....  :-[

get2grips

Try a bit of fantasy ;)

You can do whatever the hell you like then :)

Fenton

Quote from: get2grips on 28 February 2014, 09:55:23 AM
Try a bit of fantasy ;)

You can do whatever the hell you like then :)

Nice call

Or how about VBCW?...you can make that as different as you would like it to be
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FierceKitty

Quote from: get2grips on 28 February 2014, 09:55:23 AM
Try a bit of fantasy ;)

You can do whatever the hell you like then :)

That's exactly why when I die and go to Hell, my punishment will include compulsory fantasy gaming.
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Fenton

If I were creating Pendraken I wouldn't mess about with Romans and  Mongols  I would have started with Centurions , eight o'clock, Day One!