Warmaster

[Baconheimer]

Considering that Warmaster is being terminated, and I have heard of people trying to get proxys out, do you have any plans on making expansions for this range to use as proxys?

[kyussinchains]

there are some good ideas for proxy models over on specialist-arms.com, many of them from our good friends at Pendraken

I'm currently working on a dwarf army with a sizable pendraken contingent, and many of the historical models work very well for bretonnians, empire, araby or kislev armies, not to mention Albion or Dogs of war if you play with experimental lists

Nik has just painted a couple of lovely wood elf and goblin armies so I don't think there are too many expansions needed, the only armies difficult to proxy are chaos warriors and daemons

I don't want to specifically name other manufacturers on this forum, but if you can't find what you want in Pendraken's catalogue there are lots of good ideas and lists of suitable models here

[Fenton]

With the Mongols being released I can see them being used as Kislev

[Leon]

We don't have any definite plans in place to create proxies, although we will have a new race coming soon (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2272.0.html) plus some shifting about of the ranges at the end of this year.

There's a lot of stuff at the link posted above by Fenton as well.

[Ithoriel]

Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! Fim ..... Albion Ogres! 

Soon? Soon as in over the next few months? Or Soon(tm) as defined by CCP (makers of EVE Online) - "A period up to but not including the next Ice Age" 

Mike (alter ego of Ithoriel*)



*The Warmaster Albion armylist is all his fault 

[Leon]

Soon should be in the next 3 months.  I've got the Nap Bavarians, and the Ancient Spanish which are ahead of them in the queue, so it all depends on how many moulds we can get done through August.  Dave's off work (day job!) for the next fortnight, so we should be able to get quite a few done.

[i_am_win]

Have you guys ever thought about getting the licence to produce the ruleset?

Considering that they have discontinued the rules, and that other companies have re-released older GW games, it might be something for the future?

[Leon]

Have you guys ever thought about getting the licence to produce the ruleset?

Considering that they have discontinued the rules, and that other companies have re-released older GW games, it might be something for the future?

I'd be surprised if they'd offer the license out, I thought that they weren't keen on anyone else trying to get in on their past glories?

[kyussinchains]

you'd only need a licence if you wanted to call it warmaster and use GW imagery, it's explicitly stated that you cannot copyright rules mechanics

the (insert period)...war commander series is proof of that, they're warmaster in all but name, with tweaks to suit the unit types and combat style of the game

also, they've let other companies produce their games which don't use their miniatures (roleplay, card games, chaos in the old world) they wouldn't let another company produce miniatures for a GW game in any capacity (or scale!)

[Fenton]

We don't have any definite plans in place to create proxies, although we will have a new race coming soon (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2272.0.html) plus some shifting about of the ranges at the end of this year.

There's a lot of stuff at the link posted above by Fenton as well.

What link?

[i_am_win]

Thats kind of what I meant, using the rules mechanics in the same way FWC and the others do, just call it "master of war" or something! (providing its not been used before...I'm sure someone will pull me up about it... )

[ronan]

(...)  just call it "master of war" or something! (providing its not been used before...I'm sure someone will pull me up about it... )

this ?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_of_War

sorry, I couldn't resist 

[Leon]

What link?

Oops, wrong person, I meant the link by kyussinchains in this post:

I don't want to specifically name other manufacturers on this forum, but if you can't find what you want in Pendraken's catalogue there are lots of good ideas and lists of suitable models here

[i_am_win]

this ?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_of_War

sorry, I couldn't resist 

Wow, I didn't realise Bob Dylan was a wargamer....

[ronan]

Wow, I didn't realise Bob Dylan was a wargamer....

   

[andys]

I've had a bit of a trawl through the Warmaster Army lists and - allowing that the Pendraken site is rather lacking in photos, so I could be wrong - the following figures generally seem to be unavailable for use as proxies. I've also had a quick look around other manufacturers sites as well before compiling this list.

Empire - Steam Tank, Wizard, Griffon

Undead - Carrion, Sphinx, Zombie Dragon

Chaos - Most of the list!

Orc - Wyvern

High Elf - Dragon

Skaven - Doom Wheel, Screaming Bell

Bretonnian - Enchantress (on Unicorn?)

Kislev - Bears, Shaman

Dark Elves - Harpies, War Hydra, Sorceress, Manticore, Cauldron of Blood

Vampire Counts - Vampire, Necromancer

Daemons - Most of the list!

Araby - Magic Carpets, Wizard, Djinn

Leaving aside the very GW specific items above, a common theme seems to be lack of magic using figures, many lists not having suitable male/female spell casting substitute figures available.

I wonder if there's any mileage in producing a pack of spell casters? Perhaps placed in the Fantasy-Accessories range, either as a pack of 10(?) varied figures based on the above list, or as individual figures sold separately. Filling in the gaps of the Warmaster Army lists would also encourage folks to buy other items from a manufacturers range to build an army, so for the effort of producing a few magical figures, a manufacturer could see increased sales of other, more basic, infantry/cavalry figures that they already make?

For example, my next project will be an Araby army. Pendraken make most of what I'd need but there's a noticable lack of flying carpets and Djinns available on the market! Surely someone could make some generic flying carpets that buyers could add their own figures to? Would a Djinn (a generic genie coming out of a lamp) be too much to ask for?

Large dragony-type creatures (and other fantastical beasts), in the style of GW's ex-offerings also seem lacking. There are a few available from various manufacturers but they all seem to be rather basic and don't have as much "presence" as the GW ones - another gap in the market?

[fred.]

I agree on the general lack of chaos and demon figures in 10mm.

There are a few wizards in the Pendraken range. fantasy accessories has a human one with staff and beard, the high elf  one is quite generic. Also in the late roman range there is a at least one chap who makes a good leader. But yes, more would be better.

There are a couple of steam tank options, I think Pendraken have one in both Dwarves and Ratmen, and kallistra have one.

For the bigger monsters have a look at 15mm ranges,

[Ithoriel]

For Undead Carrion - three of either FU25 Flying Vulture (1) or AC12 Swarm of Bats (1)

FME14 Dragon Lancer would do as a High Elf Dragon Rider/ Hero on Dragon with a suitable paint job

AC31 Unicorns (5) - Bretonnian Enchantress with unicorn and invisibility spell??

For Vampires - FU13 Vampires?

As fred12df said there are a number of wizardy types in various ranges

That said, I think the Fantasy range is now the weakest of the existing Pendraken ranges in terms of sculpting and would love to see a revamp

[andys]

Ok, a couple of replies, thanks guys. 

The lack of photos make it difficult for a potential buyer to determine whether or not what is available ia suitable - that can't be good for sales.

The second thing I'm picking up is "Room for improvement" on the fantasy range.

Perhaps photos and a few new figures would sort out at least some of those criticisms?