What would you get Matt Ward for Christmas?

[Techno]

Nail on the head I-A-W.
Cheers - Phil.

[petercooman]

Well honestly i have nothing against gw games, i have played them since '97.

But i think that's just the problem, i know what it used to cost me, and i see what it costs now. That makes the price increases more notable to me than to someone new in the game.

I understand that life is getting more epensive, and that the price can't stay the same, so that's not the biggest issue for me. The problem is that the price goes up, and the quality goes down. Now you can say whatever you want, it's the truth.

I still have the army books i bought back in '97, and they are still pretty much intact. I have books from gw i bought A year or two ago, that fell apart after a month of use.

I also have lots and lots of their metal LOTR minis,  wich are fine, but the last thing i bought were 8 uruk hai crossbows in finecast. They were warped, full of bubbles, missing entire pieces and even contained other coloured pieces. (wich i guess are he result of a bad mixing of the resin compounds)

Now in both cases i contacted customer service at gw and in both cases i got a new item from them. Now this is all fine and dandy, where it not that the replacement book lost aa page on the first time i opened it, and the replacement finecast urks where just as bad as my first batch...

I guess i'll just stick to my epic 40k armies for my gw needs from now on 

[sebigboss79]

I personally have nothing against they guy, since I no longer play 40K, nor buy any GW stuff directly.(just stuff off ebay/others)
For me, it's just the Mob mentality, since the GW of today stinks, he seems to be the one to blame (Well, current scapegoat anyway) so that'll do for me!! 

Seriously though, maybe it is right about him bringing new un's into the hobby, not that I'd buy him a drink (remember, I already bought him a hamper that had "prick" cola in it)
I actually think that GW might have a genuine system that creates serious wargamers by the eventual realisation that all they are interested in is cold hard cash, rather than passion for the hobby as a whole. These disillusioned GWites then develop an anti-GW sentiment and develop a taste for real own to earth wargaming and grow more as a person with a better gaming world view (rather than a blinkered "there's only GW and no one else" version of events)

So for that fact alone, they should be applauded.....

I concur but, the big but, is whether YOU as a gentleman REAL wargamer want those EX-GWplayers gaming within a 500 mile radius around your gaming table much less the same system(s). Like the plague they should stick to their side of the universe and keep their "uninformed ignorance". leaves the fun parts of the hobbies for us...think about it and you will agree.

[Sandinista]

I concur but, the big but, is whether YOU as a gentleman REAL wargamer want those EX-GWplayers gaming within a 500 mile radius around your gaming table much less the same system(s). Like the plague they should stick to their side of the universe and keep their "uninformed ignorance". leaves the fun parts of the hobbies for us...think about it and you will agree.

Wrong on so many levels, buy the guy a beer and play games with the guys. We all started somewhere...

[Techno]

I concur but, the big but, is whether YOU as a gentleman REAL wargamer want those EX-GWplayers gaming within a 500 mile radius around your gaming table much less the same system(s). Like the plague they should stick to their side of the universe and keep their "uninformed ignorance". leaves the fun parts of the hobbies for us...think about it and you will agree.

On one side.....There might well be a proportion of ex GW gamers that you would possibly want to avoid at the table....
On the other; I'd be very surprised if there were NOT a good number of our esteemed forum's members (maybe even the majority ??) who 'cut their teeth' on the 'Evil Empire's' models and rules systems.
After all, there are, to my knowledge, half a dozen or so of us who've admitted to actually working for them in the past.

My guess is that you've been really unlucky sebigboss....and met more than your fair share of those we would all want to avoid.
I tend to agree with Sandanista....We all started somewhere.

Hope this comes across in the spirit it's intended.

Cheers - Phil.

[Orcs]

Only if you spike the beer and drop him off in Syria afterwards....

Peter What do you have against Syria?

[sebigboss79]

 

[sebigboss79]

It does Phil, you know I am an old ranter and cynic.

Unfortunately you are correct. I have yet to meet a "gentleman gamer" in any GW System. Also I have not met one person who was open to try new things in gaming. Possibly Germans are a bit more narrowminded in gaming. Another reason for me to come here .

But seriously the "fairness" level is significantly rising if the game is balanced and the gamers more mature. Starmada, Urban War and Mercs...haven't met any person there I would hesitate to talk to a second time. Fair enough GW has the largest fanbase and unfortunately their way of doing business attracts characters that we all want to avoid at the board. Being competitive and the desire to win should not supersede the "having a great time" with a likeminded person.

You are also correct that I suspect most forum members HERE to offer a challenging but pleasing game experience. The fact that some are EX-GW employees could also be interpreted that they have chosen (whether deliberately or not) they do not agree with certain ways of GWs business approach.

To be fair on Mad Ward (  ) he is just the "product" of his surrounding. The philosopher I am still does not let him (or GW) off for ruining wargaming in my eyes.

I would agree with Sandinista would it not take both sides. I am more than willing to offer good gaming in any system I play. But most people prefer staying in their own little GW-world. Sad but true.

[Steve J]

I have played one Warhammer gamer at my old club who was fun to play against and picked an army full of character, rather than one to win. A rarity I must admit. However for Mordheim I only ever encountered 3 players who picked beardy warbands. Everyone else went for character and fun and as a result were a pleasure to play against.

[sebigboss79]

And THAt is how it should be!

[Techno]

Hear, hear !

.....Don't worry about being a cynic and having a good rant 'S'.
You should hear me a lot of the time !!
Cheers - Phil.

[sebigboss79]

You should hear me a lot of the time !!
Cheers - Phil.

Is that a gaming offer 

[Techno]

No !....It's just that I swear at the little figures when they refuse to go right. 
Usually works though....I think I frighten them into behaving themselves !
Cheers - Phil

[petercooman]

Peter What do you have against Syria?

Seriously, it would help syria! Unite against a common foe and all....

[sebigboss79]

To quote Ron Perlman in Alien Resurection: F...ing waste o'ammo....

[petercooman]

To quote Ron Perlman in Alien Resurection: F...ing waste o'ammo....

Who's talking about ammo? Fricking clobber him :p

[sebigboss79]

Who's talking about ammo? Fricking clobber him :p

How much you charge per beat  

[petercooman]

WEll we are having a 3 for 2 sale right now 

[sebigboss79]

WEll we are having a 3 for 2 sale right now 

The perfect Christmas present for all gamers.

[Steve J]

And THAt is how it should be!

I count myself lucky in that all of my regular gaming chums are thoroughly decent chaps who play for fun and in the right spirit. Naturally we all like to win but would rather have a fun game and lose than win at all costs. After all they are only games and not a matter of life and death.

I did initially enjoy playing Warhammer and it's wonderfully rich background, for me the Empire was my thing, but quickly became disillusioned by constantly playing power gamers at the club . I still have the army book and will use this as reference for Imaginations games with WMA etc.