I'm really VERY cross !

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Got a name for this person - there is a guy call Tony Heath who is known for this sort of thing - so much so that both Games Workshop and Peter Pig have cease and desist orders from trading standards.

IanS

[Techno]

No idea Ian...
Though I know who the figure would have had to come from originally.
For all I know....The chap that sold it on ebay, may have been given it by my 'friend'....Or it could be the 'friend' himself who sold it....That's quite possible.
If any more of 'the set' turn up on ebay, I'll be a bit suspicious...
But it's not worth the hassle (or expense) of getting lawyers involved....It'll just end up costing lots.....
And if they're sold as 'rarities', I suppose there's nothing I can do...(Matey must still have 6 or so of each)...apart from perhaps 'getting them out there' IF there was a market for them.

Feeling with you Techno 
IP / copyright may be legally different terms but a douche move is a douche move. If you have the email where that person agrees on paying you royalties I would inform that "seller" you will sue him for the royalties - attach email. I would. I also would make a remark what I think of attempting to go behind my back.

Sadly 'segiboss' I don't think he would give  a 'flyer'.....He stopped answering the phone years ago....Always on ansaphone, and you'd never get a call back.
At least his company doesn't appear to be trading anymore....Oh dear....What a shame...Never mind.


Hey Ho ! - I'm still calm - Cheers - Phil.

[OldenBUA]

What I find telling is the remark  ***Please note that any plastic bases illustrated are NOT included in the sale*** in the eBay sale that Leon supplied.

75 pounds for a single figure, and you don't even include that?! A real penny-pincher, maybe?

Anyway, if I understand correctly there's full information (name, address, telephone, email) of the seller there too. If it's not your 'friend' it might be worth a try to contact the seller and hear his side of the matter?

What may rankle with the buyer, if he knew, was the piece wasn't anything to do with GW.....I think I made it (along with 5 others) around 6 or 7 years ago.
A long time after leaving GW.

That may also upset the seller, if he got the mini from your 'friend' without knowing the full story. Which seems more than likely.

[Techno]

 

Well.....Unless my 'friend' had changed his name....It's not him...And he didn't live in Lincolnshire (then.)
Interesting.....

I can only assume that this chap bought, or was given the model.....Might drop him a line at some stage.

Thanks for the heads - up !

Cheers - Phil.

[i_am_win]

I'd send the guy a message for sure Phil, just to make sure he doesn't have anymore that he plans on selling, and get his side of the story. If anymore turn up on ebay, you should report it to them with your reasons for it to be removed. They do sort stuff out providing you blag them regularly, but other than taking some expensive and lengthy legal battle it does seem your not going to get any joy from the whole thing.
It's bang out of order this kind of thing, and it's a shame there's a lot of shady persons out there willing to do things like this, without being fair and doing the right thing.
The worst thing is with all this talk of austerity Britian, I fear that there will be more out there prepared to rip people off as time goes on.

[Techno]

Hi Win.

IF this chap that's selling them bought it (them?) in good faith....Or was given them.....I guess it's up to him what he does with them...
I won't really have any beef with the seller, (unless it does turn out to be my 'friend')....though it was a bit of a shock yesterday when Leon gave me the info.

Bit bloody ironic isn't it ?

If I could get £75 for each copy of the master metals I've still got, (yeah right !! ) I'd make (at least) around 4 times the amount that I would have charged for making the original 'greens' .....If only I hadn't been an idiot....going for a royalty deal....And just asked for payment on completion of the models.
Then I wouldn't be feeling somewhat 'cheated.'

Hey Ho !!
Cheers - Phil.

[Leon]

If the guy has bought them in good faith, it does make things even harder.  We had a similar thing when Arsenal Miniatures went bust in the States.  They still owed us about $7000-ish, and we never got a penny.  All the stock they had 'disappeared', but then resurfaced on eBay a short time afterwards.  The guy selling it had bought the whole lot at some kind of asset sale, and didn't know about the debt owed on the stock.  We looked at the legal options, but it was too difficult and expensive to try and get something done across two countries, and two sets of different laws, etc. 

That one stung for a while... 

With Leon's permission, I might pop a piccy up of the 'Kaos Krew" up on the forum to see whether they produce any interest...Just might be worth seeing if I could get them in production after all this time and angst .

Yeah, no worries, pop them up.

[sebigboss79]

Good faith and stolen goods/ goods without proper ownership does not exist in Germany.

And Phil: At least it is just the bloodpressure that rises for you. I have had my name put in shame by a "friend", ID theft being one of the minor charges. Unfortunately neither UK, German nor local police of his country were interested. Last thing I know he tried to fraud the wrong person and was arrested for another offense while in hospital....

To quote from German: Unrecht währt oft lange, doch ewig währt es nie. Translating freely like injustice often is longlived but never eternal.

[Si Tyler]

Found this

http://collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Bridgend_steve

Which might help your sleuthing

[sebigboss79]

Seen that as well, not saying it makes this "friend"/Tony/Stephen business any easier, less angering or something....

[Techno]

Interesting chaps....
Thanks.

My Blood pressure's fine at the moment sebigboss...... ....You suffered far more from what you've said ....OUCH !!
I'd like to find out a bit more though, I suppose.
Cheers - Phil.

[nikharwood]

Despite being Chelski there is a lot I like about you 

[Techno]

Well...

I've spoken to the chap that was selling the figure....And I would emphasize that I have absolutely NO problem with him AT ALL.
His version of how he got the figures makes perfect sense.....And to be honest...Exactly what I'd surmised, once I'd calmed down.
He'd bought them from my 'friend' some time ago.....And he said this without any prompting, so I have absolutely no reason to think there's any 'funny business' from him.

No point at all in chasing 'my friend'....He seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth for quite a while now.
So 'royalties' aren't worth even thinking about chasing !...Waste of time, money and effort.

Sorry,to all, for going off on one.... It's just any memory of 'the friend' brings back very bad memories and sets me off.....once again

Who knows.... I may dig out some really old figures and put them into the collectors market.

Cheers - Phil.

[sebigboss79]

 

Although not my style, why not? They are yours after all. Hope the holy GW-Inquisition will not send their G-Knights after you and burn the heretic in you... 

[Vulpine]

Glad it's (kinda sorted) interesting scenario! Glad this couldn't happen to me. Hold up a second..... Leon has my Doctor who mould!