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[mollinary]

As far as I was taught, .it ought indeed be pronounced as Kickero, just as his opponent should be pronounced as Yulius Kaissar!

Mollinary

[Ithoriel]

I was taught the same thing Mollinary.

[Techno]

Thanks chaps....That's something else I've been mispronouncing for the past few decades. 

Cheers - Phil

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

But you knew him first hand, surely he told you how to say what t?

[mollinary]

Yes, MlL, but he told him in Latin, and Phil didn't speak Latin.  He thought he was starting a football chant!

Mollinary

[Leman]

Taught the same at school. Classical education - thought it was a waste of time, until I started to do crosswords or wanted to use a variety of words with similar meaning in both essays and conversation. Also very useful in a Doctor Who series in the late 60s when a Mr. Magister turned up and I spoilt it for everyone when I said that magister was the Latin for master!

[FierceKitty]

Magister - learned master, teacher, wise authority figure
Dominus - powerful master, lord

I'd have expected the bad Time Lord to have been the latter.

[fsn]

But which Latin? There are several variant including Ecclesiastical Latin  which pronounce things differently. I know this because Alexander Armstrong opined on the subject on Pointless - and he's posh so should know about these things. I mean proper posh. He's got breeding.

I'm sticking with "Sissy-row", along with "Dark Age" and "English Civil War". I shall do so until the French call our capital city "London", not "Londres", the Americans stop referring to Her Majesty as "The Queen of England" and an Englishman says "loch" not "lock".

[shireman]

A retired Latin master writes: unless one is speaking in Latin 'Kickero' is definitely in the  'pretentious, moi?' category, a bit like saying one is off to Firenze for one's holidays.

[pierre the shy]

Romanes eunt domus ?!? 

or how the Romans dealt with mispronounciations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8

[Westmarcher]

But which Latin? There are several variant including Ecclesiastical Latin  which pronounce things differently. I know this because Alexander Armstrong opined on the subject on Pointless - and he's posh so should know about these things. I mean proper posh. He's got breeding.

Interesting to read that there were/are different types of spoken Latin, Nobby, but makes sense when you think of all the different regional accents English is spoken in. I'm not Catholic (or Roman), only going to church at weddings, christenings and funerals, so not sure how much Latin is spoken in church these days but of all the people who might get the pronunciation right, I would have thought it would be the Catholic clergy considering they have an almost unbroken line of Latin speakers all the way back to the Late Roman Empire. Is Ecclesiastical Latin the equivalent of the Queen's English?

Anyhoo, I've often wondered if Latin was spoken like modern day Italian but in Godfather tones.  

p.s. Yes, Alexander Armstrong is really posh. Isn't he related to royalty?

p.p.s. @ pierre the shy  

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Don't forget 'The Great Sixteenth Century Vowel Slip'
(yes, it is real - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift )

[Westmarcher]

     .... my brain is starting to hurt. 

...... meanwhile back in Italy, I like this pronounciation of Cicero (click on the speaker icon)

https://translate.google.co.uk/?client=safari&rls=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&client=tw-ob#la/en/Cicero

*Chee-cherro* 

[cameronian]

Kinda depends where and when you were educated. In my day we still had the latin Mass so we were speaking latin on a daily basis. Church latin is definitely italianate so 'Cicero' was 'sisero', caelis was 'chaeleece' and so forth. we had a young latin master who tried the 'kikero' stuff but he didn't last.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85seaghNrEo

[FierceKitty]

The aim of teaching kids Latin was never to get it right. It was a class thing, a discipline thing, an excuse for not admitting that there were a lot of living languages with more and better literature thing....pro di immortales! I really regret the time I wasted on it.