1st Schleswig-Holstein War German

[Steve J]

Great work and very tempted by this period .

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Very nice work.

[mollinary]

Flodin,

The Saxons are always my favourites, and you have painted them superbly.  My next comment will provoke howls of mirth from the forum, and feelings of deja vue!  .   Unsurprisingly it relates to flags!  The white flag displayed on your second regiment is a Leibfahne of the model introduced into the first battalions of the  new 3 Battalion Regiments in 1867-68. In 1848 all of the Saxon Battalions would have carried green flags of the type shown in your first photograph.  There, my task here Is done.  

Mollinary

PS. The Danes look fabulous as well!

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Gaaaaaaaaaah! Nooooo! Not again!  

[Womble67]

Very nice indeed

Take care

Andy

[Flodin]

Like those lots !
Cheers - Phil.

Thanks

[Flodin]

Very nice indeed

Take care

Andy

Very nice work.

Great work and very tempted by this period .

Many Thanks

Cheers Mike

[Flodin]

Flodin,

The Saxons are always my favourites, and you have painted them superbly.  My next comment will provoke howls of mirth from the forum, and feelings of deja vue!  .   Unsurprisingly it relates to flags!  The white flag displayed on your second regiment is a Leibfahne of the model introduced into the first battalions of the  new 3 Battalion Regiments in 1867-68. In 1848 all of the Saxon Battalions would have carried green flags of the type shown in your first photograph.  There, my task here Is done.  

Mollinary

PS. The Danes look fabulous as well!

Thanks

You are absolutely right, the flags are from Pendrakens 1866/1870 Saxon flag set, So they are from the wrong time 
I still chose to use them ( because they looked so good ) , and I suppose that the first battallion in each regiment had somesort of  Leibfahne. For what I know, the saxon infantry were organized in regiments during the first Schleswig-Holstein war. And the 1st batallion in  saxon regiments had white Leibfahnen during the  Napoleonic and SYW wars,  so I guess they continued with that tradition

http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/id?1512522

http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/id?1512522


Cheers Mike

[mollinary]

Hi Mike,

All entirely logical deductions, but unfortunately logic did not enter into it.   The only Leibfahne in this period was the 1815 Leibgrenadieregarde Fahne, which was retired in 1848 when the Garde Division was disbanded. It was re-issued as the Leibfahne of the Leibgrenadier Regiment in 1867-68. All the other battalions carried the green flags included in the Pendraken sheet.
The flags get swapped backwards and forwards between units as the army is re-organised. As far as I can see, in 1848 the Lebiregiment has green flags with the crown in the corner, and the regiments I, iI, and III, each had the Appropriate Roman Numerals  in the corner. All these flags are on the Pendraken sheet. Hope this helps.

Best

Mollinary

[Flodin]

Hi Mike,

All entirely logical deductions, but unfortunately logic did not enter into it.   The only Leibfahne in this period was the 1815 Leibgrenadieregarde Fahne, which was retired in 1848 when the Garde Division was disbanded. It was re-issued as the Leibfahne of the Leibgrenadier Regiment in 1867-68. All the other battalions carried the green flags included in the Pendraken sheet.
The flags get swapped backwards and forwards between units as the army is re-organised. As far as I can see, in 1848 the Lebiregiment has green flags with the crown in the corner, and the regiments I, iI, and III, each had the Appropriate Roman Numerals  in the corner. All these flags are on the Pendraken sheet. Hope this helps.

Best

Mollinary

Many thanks for the clarification  wish I had known it before .
can you recommend someone literature on the subject ?
I have begun to paint bavarians, for the period ( 1848-1851 ). And I bought Pendraken´s  bavarian flag set PNFL74, are they adequate for the period ? If not, do you have any suggestions ?

Cheers Mike

[mollinary]

Hi Flodin!  All the green flags on the Saxon sheet are usable for 1848.  The Bavarian flagsheet you have is entirely appropriate, as the vast majority of the flags are Model 1848. Technically only the two uniqu flags at the top, and the models with the monogram "M" are entirely accurate, but in this scale I cannot tell the difference between those with "M" and those with "L"!  These flag sheets were all produced by forum member Maciek, on the basis of research that I provided him. I am afraid there is very little widely available to wargamers on this subject. My main sources for the Saxons are Hottenroth on the Saxon Flags produced a hundred years ago, and on the Bavarians, Fiebig, written in the 1930s.  Good luck, and keep producing those beautiful figures.

Mollinary

[Leman]

Literature. Try The Armies of the First Schleswig-Holstein War 1848-51, by Ralph Weaver, published by Partizan Press and available form Caliver Books (who are also Partizan Press).  Uniform details accompanied by b/w and colour plates and a brief description of the campaigns and army organisation.

[Flodin]

Literature. Try The Armies of the First Schleswig-Holstein War 1848-51, by Ralph Weaver, published by Partizan Press and available form Caliver Books (who are also Partizan Press).  Uniform details accompanied by b/w and colour plates and a brief description of the campaigns and army organisation.

Thanks Dour Puritan

but I already have the book, have largely based my work on the information from the book

Many Thanks Mike

[Flodin]

Hi Flodin!  All the green flags on the Saxon sheet are usable for 1848.  The Bavarian flagsheet you have is entirely appropriate, as the vast majority of the flags are Model 1848. Technically only the two uniqu flags at the top, and the models with the monogram "M" are entirely accurate, but in this scale I cannot tell the difference between those with "M" and those with "L"!  These flag sheets were all produced by forum member Maciek, on the basis of research that I provided him. I am afraid there is very little widely available to wargamers on this subject. My main sources for the Saxons are Hottenroth on the Saxon Flags produced a hundred years ago, and on the Bavarians, Fiebig, written in the 1930s.  Good luck, and keep producing those beautiful figures.

Mollinary

Many Thanks Mollinary, for the information.

Regards Mike

[mollinary]

Flodin,

You are more than welcome. Of course, when I said all the Bavarian flags were Model 1848, it was a slip of the keypad for Model 1841!

Still usable, though.

Mollinary