Early wips of Ancient Spanish

[Techno]

Hi Phobos.
If these are on Leon's intended list for this range, I'll be using the reference(s) from Duncan Head's tome 'Armies of the Macedonian & Punic Wars.'
There's a nice (hopefully as accurate as can be surmised) line drawing done by Ian Heath which I intend to use as inspiration.
Cheers - Phil.

[nikharwood]

Looking good Phil 

[Techno]

Thanks again all.
The Celtiberians ARE on the list...HUZZAH !!
As well as Ian Heath's inspiration, Leon's sent me some links to some spiffy reference material and I'll pop up some piccies for feedback, once I've got to a certain stage.
Cheers - Phil.

[FierceKitty]

That "minor power" was of central importance in the Punic Wars, and took the Romans centuries to defeat. They look great on the table, and I remember seeing them send rather a lot of Roman armies running. I'd say that they were of more than minor importance to our ancients-playing comrades.

[wurrukatte]

So lured in by the new ACW and now trying to have me redo my spanish contingent of my Carthaginians! Thats plain mean. Thay look chuffin great.

[Luddite]

FK i've no doubt the Spanish and Celtiberian* tribes were important during their brief engagements with Carthage/Rome, and their use as allies.  But even there, there were more important and prominent opponents and allies for both sides.

My point is, given the sparse nature of Pandraken's Ancients figure ranges, it seems odd to make these an early priority, above say (to pick out a few 'major powers')...

Assyrians
Babylonians
Hittites
Egyptians (Pharoic)

Greeks (Geometric to Hellenic, Spartans, Peleponesse, etc.)
Macedonians /Alexandrian Macedonian
Persian
Diadochi (Seleucid/Ptolemaic etc.)

Various period Romans
More promonent enemies of Rome (Egypt, Balkan, Gallic and Germanic tribes, Parthians, Sassanids, etc.)

And that's just Europe!

What about the Oriental armies like the Han and the Shang in China?  The Yamato to Heian Period in Japan?

The Indian wars of the great Vedic period, or between the Mauryans and Kalinga?

Etc.

There's loads to do, and i'm certainly not complaining...Techno's done a lovely job as ever and these figures are very good!  
It's just that i'd have though that in constituting an Ancients range, there are probably higher priority targets i'd have gone for thats all.  


Glad to hear that the next priority seems to be the Greeks though.  Done right thay can be really morphable figures, capable of being used for all sorts nations, including early Romans and Etruscans when they fought 'Greek style'!




*The ONLY legitimate use of the word 'Celt'.  

[Hertsblue]

What's that saying about Rome and construction progress? 

[Techno]

Gosh....
A question on the forum that I can actually answer !
Cheers - Phil.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Spanish et al are the perfect next range as they were allies to BOTH sides during the Punic Wars, and will certainly be needed to finish off a Carthaginian army, so I'd say they were not a new range per se but an extension of Techno's work in the Western Med...

So are Gauls and the 'Celtic fringe' - now there is a phrase I'm sure Nik can do something with, seeing as it is a Friday and the Totty thread has been quiet a while! 

[nikharwood]

So are Gauls and the 'Celtic fringe' - now there is a phrase I'm sure Nik can do something with, seeing as it is a Friday and the Totty thread has been quiet a while! 

Leave it with me - back in a minute...

[Fenton]

Nice pics Nic...though I am still not sure why whenever people want to see 'Celts' they stick up pics of Irish people as there is no proof there were any Celts in Ireland..Trinity in Dublin did DNA tests of Irish people some years ago and found no  original 'Celtic' DNA at all

[nikharwood]

Nice pics Nic...though I am still not sure why whenever people want to see 'Celts' they stick up pics of Irish people as there is no proof there were any Celts in Ireland..Trinity in Dublin did DNA tests of Irish people some years ago and found no  original 'Celtic' DNA at all

Yeah - don't blame my anthropology though, blame Google 

I've added some American Celts now, just for good measure 

[Techno]

What !
I've got to go back and look at that thread again.
How tiresome.
Cheers - Phil.

[nikharwood]

What !
I've got to go back and look at that thread again.
How tiresome.
Cheers - Phil.

No-one's making you Phil   

[Techno]

No...True..
But I feel obliged because you've made the effort Nik.
Cheers - Phil.

[nikharwood]

No...True..
But I feel obliged because you've made the effort Nik.
Cheers - Phil.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Leave it with me - back in a minute...

That was worth it! 

[clibinarium]

Nice pics Nic...though I am still not sure why whenever people want to see 'Celts' they stick up pics of Irish people as there is no proof there were any Celts in Ireland..Trinity in Dublin did DNA tests of Irish people some years ago and found no  original 'Celtic' DNA at all

But current thinking on what "Celtic" means focuses culture, art and language, its not really a racial or genetic identity as such. As far as I can recall the genetic similarities are greatest between the Irish and the Basques.

[seano1815]

  drooling already my carthaginian army can't wait for them....they look great
keep up the good work Sean

[Luddite]

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Actually the 'Celts' never existed, and the concept of 'Celtic' art or culture is invalid.

There never was a 'pan-European Celtic culture' traditionally expressed as such things as the 'La Tene' or Halstatt' cultures.

Its a complete myth. 

The modern idea of a 'Celtic fringe' to Europe is also a modern myth, or rather a modern reactionary political 'cultural movement' that has led to things like the Welsh and Scottish Assemblies (although Mel Gibson's dreadful 'Braveheart' movie had a lot to do with the Scots thinking they have some sort of national past).

Which is why this stuff still matters of course, because people today use history for current purposes.

As i said above the only legitimate use of the term 'Celt' is as part of the Celtiberian tribal name.

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