SYW Palatinate uniforms/flags.

[Ithoriel]

There are only 2 types of people in the world, those who can work from incomplete data

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

No, we can't be bothered! 😂

[Leman]

Is Ossy still with us? After all we've just had 2016.

[mollinary]

Yes,

He has just posted re the FPW. He has made so few posts overall, I didn't originally notice how old the post was!

Mollinary

[OldenBUA]

I didn't originally notice how old the post was!

Happens all the time, so you're in good company there. 

And yes, the small print in a post includes the date/time stamp!

[Dragoon]

After reading Peter Young's book Battle! , again I know Electors were in the Palatinate But were there any Principalities, or Dukedoms? It seems that apart from Prussia, France and part of the Benelux countries all the other states seemed to be part of and controlled by Austria in the guise of The Holy Roman Empire. So, does anyone know if there were any disagreements between the European states around the SYW or was it always between Great Britain, France, Prussia and Austria?

[Dragoon]

To OldenBUA
can we consider the time 'post war' encompasses a closed subject because some of us can still remember what a Merlin engine sounds like and it doesn't seem that long ago. much worse now I can't find Woolworths.

[FierceKitty]

There are two types of people in the world: those who can concentr

[cameronian]

After reading Peter Young's book Battle! , again I know Electors were in the Palatinate But were there any Principalities, or Dukedoms? It seems that apart from Prussia, France and part of the Benelux countries all the other states seemed to be part of and controlled by Austria in the guise of The Holy Roman Empire. So, does anyone know if there were any disagreements between the European states around the SYW or was it always between Great Britain, France, Prussia and Austria?

Don't forget Russia.

[Hwiccee]

After reading Peter Young's book Battle! , again I know Electors were in the Palatinate But were there any Principalities, or Dukedoms? It seems that apart from Prussia, France and part of the Benelux countries all the other states seemed to be part of and controlled by Austria in the guise of The Holy Roman Empire. So, does anyone know if there were any disagreements between the European states around the SYW or was it always between Great Britain, France, Prussia and Austria?

I assume we are talking about the Holy Roman Empire (HRE) here?

At the time of the SYW there were 9 Electors of which 5 were of 'independent' states - Bavaria, Hanover, the Palatine, Prussia and Saxony. There were 100's of other HRE minor states who were ruled by others with various titles such as Prince, Duke and lots of others.

The minor states were effectively under the control of one of the Great Powers (typically Great Britain, France, Prussia or Austria) or sometimes one of the 'independent' states.

The 'independent' states were the only HRE states that were capable of anything like independent action but this depended on the circumstances and was also changing. So Prussia had basically made the move from being an 'independent' state to being a Great Power by this time, although it remained part of the HRE. Hanover was firmly in the British camp, or maybe that should be the other way round as the Hanoverian elector was also King of Britain - so they were something like part of the same country. The Palatine was slipping out of the 'independent' states rank and was more like a minor state at this time.

Effectively this left Bavaria and Saxony as the only states capable of some kind of independent action. So the Bavarian elector got himself elected as Emperor in the WAS (1740-48) and invaded Austrian territory (what is now the Czech Republic) in 1741. Similarly the Saxons also invaded in 1741. Later in the war both Bavaria and Saxony changed sides. Despite this the reality was that the Bavarians/Saxons had some ability to swap which bigger power they were dominated by. The Bavarians had swapped Austrian domination for French in the early WAS and the Saxons did the same but for Prussian.

So I think real independent action by any HRE state other than the parts that were under direct Austrian control, Prussia or Hanover/Britain was very limited.

There were of course disagreements between the HRE states but a big part of the function of the HRE was to tackle these. So if a member state took aggressive action it could be attacked by the HRE - they did this in the SYW when Prussia, a member of the HRE, attacked Saxony. Most smaller states wouldn't risk this and would be blocked in doing it by whoever dominated them. Smaller problems were tackled by diplomacy and the mechanisms of the HRE.

So in short yes it was just about Great Britain, France, Prussia and Austria, plus Russia who have already been mentioned. Other states like Spain, Savoy, Sweden, etc outside the HRE also had varying amounts of 'independence'. Like the 'independent' HRE states this tended to be the ability to have some kind of choice about who was boss.

[paulr]

Thanks Hwiccee, I've learnt something 

[Dragoon]

Thanks Hwiccee
I've Learned a lot
I got the book title wrong it was Charge! by Peter Young

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuburg_an_der_Donau#/media/File%3ANeuburg_an_der_Donau_in_ND.svg

Quite a few states on this map. I'm trying to set up a fictional campaign possibly along the lines of Diplomacy where the great powers manipulate the holders of a state to support one ore the other of their near neighbours
Quite a few of the minor royals died off without a heir prompting strong arm diplomacy.
Having played the board game I realise it's balance is in the map. Itt's tempting to use the real board game but this limits the game to 7 players or groups. the game can be played by email, theres a computer game that could be umpire
has anyone tried to play a game where the general only see's 3 photographs for each move. to his left, to his centre looking ahead and to his right. Photo's taken from figure height.
Perhaps I should smoke some of Maurice de Saxe own tobacco supply to clarify thinking.
Mike L

[paulr]

I haven't tried the photograph approach but I have run a game where the Admirals were seated some distance from the table and had to communicate via signal flags

The chaos was great fun

[cameronian]

Thanks Hwiccee
I've Learned a lot
I got the book title wrong it was Charge! by Peter Young

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuburg_an_der_Donau#/media/File%3ANeuburg_an_der_Donau_in_ND.svg

Quite a few states on this map. I'm trying to set up a fictional campaign possibly along the lines of Diplomacy where the great powers manipulate the holders of a state to support one ore the other of their near neighbours
Quite a few of the minor royals died off without a heir prompting strong arm diplomacy.
Having played the board game I realise it's balance is in the map. Itt's tempting to use the real board game but this limits the game to 7 players or groups. the game can be played by email, theres a computer game that could be umpire
has anyone tried to play a game where the general only see's 3 photographs for each move. to his left, to his centre looking ahead and to his right. Photo's taken from figure height.
Perhaps I should smoke some of Maurice de Saxe own tobacco supply to clarify thinking.
Mike L

Cheap, wireless digital camera placed on battlefield and rotated from a fixed point.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Google Earth?