Warlord's Pike & Shotte Disappointing

[Malbork]

I'll stick to Regiment of Foote, but then again I'm only interested in the ECW for this period, it gives me the feeling that I think screams ECW to me, amatuer soldiers led by bungling Aristos, this set delivers that. Stuff doesnt turn up for the battle, turns up late, turns up with poorer morale/strength than it started with

Interested to read your comments Gordon.  I've had RoF for some time, but never got round to using them.  Do you use 10mm or 15mm?  If using 10mm do you change anything?  I know it's designed for 15s like all Piggie rules.

Cheers

[Aart Brouwer]

Played the Pavia scenario the other day, found it very enjoyable. Fitted with my idea of the era.

Played Pavia as well yesterday afternoon. It certainly fits one's ideas about the Italian Wars, I give you that.

Mind you, like Hail Ceasar or Black Powder, P&S could do with a little tweaking and the rules happily allow for that.

One tweak I would appreciate is to grant every unit a free move on every turn. Players who want two or three moves for their units will have to make a command roll with all the risks involved, including blunders.

This prevents the well-known problem of brigades or entire wings remaining immobile for half the game - which may be 'historically accurate' but kills 'playability' - and still allows for, um, eventualities to occur.

Maybe my initial judgment that P&S doesn't do justice to the TYW was a bit rash. I may have to play a couple TYW scenarios first, maybe come up with another tweak, and perhaps it will fit the bill after all. I would love that, because it's so much easier to find opponents if you work from a well-known ruleset.

So here's to Warlords: never say never! 

Cheers,
Aart

[GordonY]

Nah Mal, just used it in 10mm, changed nothing, Piggies are on the short side of 15mm and Pendraken are on the big side for 10s, does look a little spread out, if I was doing it again I'd probably reduce the frontage from 30mm down to 25. The only impact that would have would be to give you a bit more room on the table than you should have. Be sure to go through the pre battle sequence, there's nothing more annoying than to see your largest elite cavalry unit , being commandeered by the local witchfinder to hunt down old one-eyed Mary and knowing that thats the last you'll see of them.

[Jim Ando]

Hello

I`m a fan of hail ceasar and black powder but must admit that after a (quickish) look at P/S at the club last night they didn`t float my boat.

They look fine for the italian wars but was a bit gutted with treatment the tyw and ecw got.

It`s the battalia organisations of an officer some, pikeblocks, musket units, maybe an artillery piece and some dragoons that i find a bit suspect.

Each component part of battalia is treated like a separate unit for combat and morale which sucks.

It all seems a bit clunky and disjointed for the mid 17th century stuff but for before that and after it seems fine.

Which is a shame as I was looking forward to use them to do the TYW especially as FoGR turned out to be utter pants.

I may just use a tweaked version of BP where each unit is a proper battalia/battalion or small regiment.

Jim
 

[Aart Brouwer]

I may just use a tweaked version of BP where each unit is a proper battalia/battalion or small regiment.

Jim
 

My sentiments exactly. A major problem is the size of Spanish escuadrónes, which went from 1300 at Fleurus (1622) to 500 at Downs (1658). Very hard to represent in P&S. The same goes for the Swedish brigade, which is rather awkwardly represented on page 29 as a combination of three separate units. But I'm sure this can be tweaked.

Cheers,
Aart