Saxons - difference between 1866 & 1870

Started by Duke Speedy of Leighton, 10 April 2011, 07:26:43 AM

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cameronian

I have the 'pole only' standard bearers for the battalions but recently bought some cast flag men for the casualty bases; I'm going to try and soften the paper flags with dilute PVA and then glue then onto the cast flag with Modellers Glue (PVA base but with some secret additive which makes it bind to ANYTHING). I'll let you know how it's going. Must say I'd prefer if Pendraken didn't have cast flags at all.
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Leon

Quote from: cameronian on 20 March 2012, 10:35:22 AM
Must say I'd prefer if Pendraken didn't have cast flags at all.

No cast flags on any future figures, and we'll try and add pole-only options to other ranges where requested.

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cameronian

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mollinary

Lemmey,

There is a great resource, and it was buying material from this particular site which got me all you could ever want to know about Saxon flags (and Prussian ones too).  Luckily, I think you can get what you want simply from looking on line. The site is German, if you follow these instructions you should get what you want.  The site is www.historischer-bilderdienst.de.     Click on the link marked Fahnen, Flaggen und Standarten.   Then you want to click on SF03 Hottenroth.  Sachsische Fahnen und Standarten.  Once in there, go to the bottom and click on
Leuchttisch.  A table of illustrations of Saxon flags should appear.  The last flag on Row 3 and the 5 flags on Row 4 , all with a green field, are the design you are looking for for 1866.  Incredibly, if you then click on the flag itself, you get a good enlargement.   I hope this should give you a good idea for painting a 10 mm scale flag. If you want to know the brigade differences, they are simple. In the four corners of the green field, on both sides, is either a Roman numeral I, II, or III in yellow, or a crown. I'll leave you to work out which brigade is which!  If you need any more details, drop me an e-mail and I'll see what I can do.

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PS.  Forgot, the Baccus flags are just a tad under 9 mm square, with an extra little bit in the middle for the pole.

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Duke Speedy of Leighton

Wow! I'll have a proper look when I've marked these 32 maths papers I've got to do tonight!
maybe worth posting that in the resources section, maybe in a flags and banners posts!
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mollinary

Good luck Lemmey, I gave up marking about 26 years ago, and can't say I miss it!  It is a great site, and the guy who runs it is really helpful. Most, if not all of the stuff is taken from his late father's extensive collection of original books. Given the difficulty of accessing this material, this site is an absolute gold mine. The compact discs I got with the photocopied text of the original books were very good value for money, if you are a complete flag geek - as I am!

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Duke Speedy of Leighton

I'v ejust had a look - that is an incredible site! Lawks! Cool!  :o :D
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cameronian

Bother; my Saxon flags don't look like this, in fact they don't look like it at all .. damn, didn't we have this conversation years ago, I'm losing it, I really am.
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Duke Speedy of Leighton

At least we have established who the four people in the world to own 10mm 1866 Saxon armies are!  ;D
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mollinary

Cam,

Yes, I'm rather afraid we did!  I am the last guardian of the true Wettin colours, and respond to any poor soul, sunk in error, who crosses my path. Good Prinz Albert deserves nothing less, God bless him!

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cameronian

Curses; where might one find the 'One True Saxon Colours' available for cutting and pasting; you realise I'm going to have to change every battalion colour x 4 brigades!
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Ben Waterhouse

Quote from: mollinary on 20 March 2012, 07:00:25 PM
Lemmey,

There is a great resource, and it was buying material from this particular site which got me all you could ever want to know about Saxon flags (and Prussian ones too).  Luckily, I think you can get what you want simply from looking on line. The site is German, if you follow these instructions you should get what you want.  The site is www.historischer-bilderdienst.de.     Click on the link marked Fahnen, Flaggen und Standarten.   Then you want to click on SF03 Hottenroth.  Sachsische Fahnen und Standarten.  Once in there, go to the bottom and click on
Leuchttisch.  A table of illustrations of Saxon flags should appear.  The last flag on Row 3 and the 5 flags on Row 4 , all with a green field, are the design you are looking for for 1866.  Incredibly, if you then click on the flag itself, you get a good enlargement.   I hope this should give you a good idea for painting a 10 mm scale flag. If you want to know the brigade differences, they are simple. In the four corners of the green field, on both sides, is either a Roman numeral I, II, or III in yellow, or a crown. I'll leave you to work out which brigade is which!  If you need any more details, drop me an e-mail and I'll see what I can do.

Mollinary

I bought some Hanoverian disks from these chaps (on your advice in another place!) - first class resources. highly recommended.

Chad

Lemmey

I might have been the 5th, but I am opting to do the western theatre.  :)

Chad

mollinary

Cam,

You probably have two choices. 1) Do what I do and use the Baccus flags, which are cheap and pretty accurate. They are also pretty accurate in size for 10mm figures. I have used them for my 1866 and 1870 Saxons, and my Prussians, mans I think they look pretty damn good!

2) Direct  the nice guy at Maverick Models to the site and ask if he can produce them for you in whatever size you are looking for.  I am told he is very open to suggestions of this sort if you have the details. You could even buy the CD, and send that to him, as the quality of the images on it is first class (it also includes the Leibfahne designs for the 1870 regiments).

Good luck!

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Duke Speedy of Leighton

My test models for second and third brigade models are nearly done, 3rd Brigade is looking cool with black piping, however, with yellow piping on light blue, 2nd brigade look like TRAFFIC WARDENS!
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Hertsblue

Quote from: cameronian on 20 March 2012, 09:25:26 PM
Bother; my Saxon flags don't look like this, in fact they don't look like it at all .. damn, didn't we have this conversation years ago, I'm losing it, I really am.

Join the club, Cam. Mine are green, thanks to Mollinary, but that's probably the best you can say for them.  :'(
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Duke Speedy of Leighton

Not looking forwards to the next part, painting those standards. Cleared my Friday night painting schedule just to paint 4 flags! Photos late Friday night (I hope)!
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cameronian

Quote from: mollinary on 21 March 2012, 05:37:38 PM
Cam,

You probably have two choices. 1) Do what I do and use the Baccus flags, which are cheap and pretty accurate. They are also pretty accurate in size for 10mm figures. I have used them for my 1866 and 1870 Saxons, and my Prussians, mans I think they look pretty damn good!

2) Direct  the nice guy at Maverick Models to the site and ask if he can produce them for you in whatever size you are looking for.  I am told he is very open to suggestions of this sort if you have the details. You could even buy the CD, and send that to him, as the quality of the images on it is first class (it also includes the Leibfahne designs for the 1870 regiments).

Good luck!

Mollinary

Good idea; Baccus it is.
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Duke Speedy of Leighton

Right guys, thanks for all the advice. First batch done (photos tomorrow),
Next batch primed and ready to go...
Next question: Horse artillery from 'The Armies of 1866, A Guide To the Weapons and Organisation of the Armies of the Seven Weeks' War' by Picklehaube Press notes the horse artillery wore 'the Horse Batteries had a black crested helmet with a raupe rather like that worn by the Bavarian Checaulegers.'
Would 1860's Bavarian BA10 Krupp C64 4pdr RBL, horse artillery crew do? Looking at a certain other manufacteurerers site (*QRF/Friekorp 15*) they look pretty close...
Thoughts?
Mad Lemmey

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