Cards v dice

[Last Hussar]

I'm sure as experienced gamers we all know this, but interesting little video.

[mollinary]

I am sure it is, but no video attached!

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

@Mollianry   

[Orcs]

I'm sure as experienced gamers we all know this, but interesting little video.

So why are you telling us?

[Last Hussar]

Bugger! I definitely put the link in!

I may, or may not, find it again   

[streetgang]

My last game I played, my rolling was dreadful. Three consecutive 1s followed by a 2 to.syartbrhe gane. Even with traumatizing experiences like that, I still think I prefer dice. I've played To The Strongest with both dice and cards and prefer it with dice.

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

GET IT RIGHT !!!v

[Last Hussar]

Streetgang - you weren't playing Sunjester were you?

As the 'honest there was a link' video discusses, cards 'remember'. The chance of the first card on a deck being an Ace is 4 in 52 = 1:13. The chance of the 2nd card being also an ace is 3 in 51 = 1:17. The chance of a 4 on 2d6 is 3 in 36 = 1:12. The chance of the next roll being 4 stays 1:12.

The more you draw Aces, the more likely a 'Non-Ace' is to come out, spreading the results around.

[fsn]

The chance of the first card on a deck being an Ace is 4 in 52 = 1:13. The chance of the 2nd card being also an ace is 3 in 51 = 1:17.

Unless you shuffle the chosen card back into the deck.

[streetgang]

Streetgang - you weren't playing Sunjester were you?

As the 'honest there was a link' video discusses, cards 'remember'. The chance of the first card on a deck being an Ace is 4 in 52 = 1:13. The chance of the 2nd card being also an ace is 3 in 51 = 1:17. The chance of a 4 on 2d6 is 3 in 36 = 1:12. The chance of the next roll being 4 stays 1:12.

The more you draw Aces, the more likely a 'Non-Ace' is to come out, spreading the results around.

I just re-read my quote and with the misspellings, you would think I was inebriated. The challenges of fat fingers on small phone screens.

I like the idea of the possibility that my bad (or on occasion, good) luck with the die rolls not being guaranteed of a correction like there is in a draw of the cards. I suppose it all comes down on personal taste.

I do think cards have a place in games and I have many different gaming systems that incorporate card mechanics. However way, you incorporate some randomness and friction, I'm generally in support of.

[Big Insect]

My last game I played, my rolling was dreadful. Three consecutive 1s followed by a 2 to.syartbrhe gane. Even with traumatizing experiences like that, I still think I prefer dice. I've played To The Strongest with both dice and cards and prefer it with dice.

I agree - not a fan of cards - give me a single (or max 2) d6 everytime.

There is a bit of a debate going on at present amongst ADLG international competition players, as one of the Spanish events is trying the use of 3 x d6 & using the Median score (e.g. if you roll a 2 5 6, you use the 5 as your score). The theory being it will reduce the chance of a 1-6 outcome (which is usually catastrophic for the player rolling the 1). But personally I am not sure about it, as it 'flattens' the probability curve considerably & will probably greatly benefit the more experianced/better players. But we'll see.

There is also the dice system used by the Napoleonic rules, 'Muskets & Marshals', whereby better quality units roll more combat dice (more the better they are) but get to select the higher rolls as their combat score. It's actually a neat way of doing things. So your Imperial Guard might roll 6 dice, picking the 3 highest as their combat/firing dice, whilst a Prussian Landswer unit just roll 3 dice. The Imperial Guard have a higher chance of rolling better dice, but equally they might not.

But cards don't get my vote, no suree!

[Last Hussar]

Cards and dice both have a place, as long as the writer understands the maths, and isn't just shoe-horning something in without knowing. It is why 'Dice have no memory, but cards do' is important.

If you have 6 cards numbered 1 to 6, and no shuffle condition part way, you WILL draw a six in a maximum of 6 draws.
If you roll 6 dice, there is a 33% chance you won't roll a 6.

If you add a shuffle mechanism in - so 3 cards, or 3 dice. The chance of no 6 on 3 dice is 57%, the chance on the cards is 50%. The diminishing pool in cards alters the odds.

[Last Hussar]

Found it