Vehicle Passenger Carrying Capacity - Query

[Big Insect]

There was a message a few days (week or so back) regarding errata in relation to vehicle passenger carrying capacity errata. It had slipped my mind and I've now gone back to try and find it and cannot.

Anyway - if this is of any help:
1) Trucks & Lorries (as standard) will carry 2 INF: unit passengers - there will be exceptions noted in the army lists (down to 1 or up to 3) but they will appear in the Notes column in the lists.

2) Jeeps & 4x4s etc. (as standard) will usually carry 1 INF: unit passengers - it is unlikely there will be exceptions to this.

3) Half-tracks and IFVs (as standard) will carry 1 Inf: unit passengers - it is highly unlikely that there will be exceptions to this.

4) APCs (as standard) will carry 2 Inf: unit passengers - this can vary considerably down to 1 and up to 3. Some of the larger US & Soviet amphibious APCs will have much larger passenger capabilities - as many as 4 x Inf: unit equivalents for example (& may also be able to carry small vehicles as well).

5) Tanks (as standard) will carry 1 Tank Descant Rider unit (usually INF:) - some tanks (such as the IDF Merkava & variants) also have an internal crew carrying capacity. This is limited to 1 INF: unit passenger.

6). all other units (especially various transport aircraft and helicopters and amphibious vehicles & boats) have the maximum numbers of units and types indicated in the Notes column of the army lists.

We are aware that there are some anomalies in the army lists, with some of the larger US & Soviet transport aircraft & amphibious assault vehicles appearing to carrying far more units than is realistically possible. This is being reviewed and in the mean time players are  advised to do some research & apply common sense. As a general rule a single INF: unit is equivalent to 8-12 (or there abouts) actual people.

Many thanks
Mark

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Think you are being overly generous with the APC's. Yes BTR50 and early 60's could carry 20+. However looked into back of a Sarecen, 8 cramped seats + commander under the turret and the driver. From memory bout 50 yr ago the 432 wasn't spacious either. So 1 for APC's would be better, nots for the few exceptions. Remember that Marders only carry 6 dismounts, and the motor infantry in BMP1 or 2 are llike the tank crew selected from the shorter conscripts.

[Big Insect]

Think you are being overly generous with the APC's. Yes BTR50 and early 60's could carry 20+. However looked into back of a Sarecen, 8 cramped seats + commander under the turret and the driver. From memory bout 50 yr ago the 432 wasn't spacious either. So 1 for APC's would be better, nots for the few exceptions. Remember that Marders only carry 6 dismounts, and the motor infantry in BMP1 or 2 are llike the tank crew selected from the shorter conscripts.

As I stated Ian - usually 2 as standard - but can range between 1 & 3.
A Marder & a BMP are classified as IFVs - so are limited to 1.

Some element of 'generosity' is necessary to allow an M113 (for example) to carry the basic infantry squad + the infantry support weapons it carried.

Cheers
Mark

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Mark the support weapons  are integral to the section, so an 70's section in 432 would have 1 Charlie G, upto 10 M72 and GPMG. PHQ had another Charlie G and M72's plus a 2"/50mm mortar. No   integral LMG but all Sections and PHQ would dismount the L4 Bren to give 2 LMG per section. When Peak turrets came in these were left mounted.

[Big Insect]

Mark the support weapons  are integral to the section, so an 70's section in 432 would have 1 Charlie G, upto 10 M72 and GPMG. PHQ had another Charlie G and M72's plus a 2"/50mm mortar. No   integral LMG but all Sections and PHQ would dismount the L4 Bren to give 2 LMG per section. When Peak turrets came in these were left mounted.

Did I mention 432's Ian? I think not.
You are overcomplicating things unnecessarily.
Some M113s carried Dragon, which is not counted as an IATW but as an separate unit. The same applies to RCLR sections in many Warsaw Pact APCs & again in earlier M113s. Likewise, some APCs will carry separate Inf:AAGW as well.
Hence why 2 INF: units are standard for APC.
Thankyou
Mark