What do points make?

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Hiya,
Is there a basic points anywhere?
You know
Infantry
Tank
Stuff
Couple of us want to build lists to try out armies.

[Last Hussar]

What do points make?

A depressing group think by people reliant on others for intellectual input.

And this week's prize is a way for catholics to wash their sins away in the shower.
It's a Pope on a Rope.

[Big Insect]

Ah - now that is a very 'loaded' question and I should have placed a bet with Leon as to this being almost the first, if not the very first question being asked about FWCII 

The short answer is 'No' not at present.

The long answer is 'well Yes ... its coming'.

The reason its not available immediately is because its so darn complicated.
The mix and match aspect of FWC means that the interaction between the various elements in the rules looks simple but in reality it's just not!

There is/was an old set of paper points calculation stats, from FWCI that we can probably get loaded up onto the forum as a PDF as a stop-gap. It is 'close' (c.+/-20% variance) on the stats you'd get out of a digital calculator but that might do for you, for now. In fact you can use all the old FWCI lists quite happily with FWCII (there is a =/-2-4% points cost variance between the two editions) but of course you wont have any of the new tech or weapons etc. that's been added to FWCII.

There was previously a digital unit points calculator for FWCI - and that had been our first point for designing something similar for FWCII. However - when we took a look at it in detail we discovered that it's a 'black-box', so we are in the midst of reverse engineering it manually to get the code out of it. But that process is underway.

Sorry if that's a long and a bit technical answer to a short question.
But let me know what you think about the FWCI paper stats ... they will not be far off the FWCII ones.
Cheers
Mark

[Ithoriel]

Many moons ago a guy on the Warmaster forum, called Ignacio Corrao, posted a calculation that worked out the approximate cost of Warmaster units. It needed rounding off and the occasional fudge for the big monsters.

I used it to point up home grown units for our games and it worked pretty well.

I realise FWC has moved quite a bit from Warmaster and you may already have the Warmaster cost formula but would the spreadsheet I have be of any use in prising open the black box? I can email it to Pendraken if so.

[Raider4]

Many moons ago a guy on the Warmaster forum, called Ignacio Corrao, posted a calculation that worked out the approximate cost of Warmaster units. It needed rounding off and the occasional fudge for the big monsters.

Hmm, rings a faint bell.

<Digs through ancient Warmaster files . . .>

Hah! Found a "WM Points Calculator.xls" file, dated 2009. According to the properties the author is not Ignacio but "mheadden", and it was last modified by "Ithoriel The Silent".

[Ithoriel]

Hmm, rings a faint bell.

<Digs through ancient Warmaster files . . .>

Hah! Found a "WM Points Calculator.xls" file, dated 2009. According to the properties the author is not Ignacio but "mheadden", and it was last modified by "Ithoriel The Silent".

Ignacio posted the formula, I turned it into a spreadsheet.

"Team work makes the dream work" 

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

AHH,
But where are the old lists?

[Big Insect]

AHH,
But where are the old lists?

Ignacio posted the formula, I turned it into a spreadsheet.

"Team work makes the dream work" 

We'd love to have a copy of that please. I will message you directly, if you are happy to share?

[Big Insect]

AHH,
But where are the old lists?

Another good question 
We are going to upload those we can do asap. The challenge with a lot if them has been a copyright issue.
When Pete Jones originally produced FWC as he was not a competing figure manufacturer there was no issue with him posting up lists for manufacturers ranges (with the exception of a certain company head quartered in Nottingham). But things are very different with Pendraken. Some old list are ok to use (the manufacturers are defunct or ranges are OOP) and those we will be putting up shortly (after a thorough investigation). Others may need to be reviewed an re 'named' and that might take a while.  But its all in a 'process' 

In the mean time, was there any specific list(s) you might be interested in?

Cheers
Mark

[Ithoriel]

We'd love to have a copy of that please. I will message you directly, if you are happy to share?

Very happy to share. Let me know where you want me to email it to.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

I think we will be starting with space marine and their auxilary guard types, as we all have those at our club.
Although the temptation to get more Colonial Marines and HR Geiger type bugs is high.

[Big Insect]

I think we will be starting with space marine and their auxilary guard types, as we all have those at our club.
Although the temptation to get more Colonial Marines and HR Geiger type bugs is high.

I've spoken with Leon (on his American Adventure) and he's up for posting the old FWC1 lists up to the forum (& the paper version of the points calculator as well). Upon his return.

There is also an FWCII compliant Xenomorph army list ready to be uploaded in the next batch. I'll take a look at a Colonial Marine list as well, in the next few days. Nothing fancy, but then the Colonial Marines were never fancy, eh Wierzbowski!

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

"We're in the pipe,5-by-5!"
Excellent news 😎