What colour Cats and Flags for ECW generals

Started by Last Hussar, 05 December 2025, 01:52:35 PM

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Last Hussar

Hi

Wondering what colour coats to paint Generals for ECW.
Ditto Flags

Not units - the command stands. I want them generic, not specific people.

I'm tempted by Red for Parliament and Blue for Royalist on at least one of the above.
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I went with buff, you can never have too many shades of buff/brown if you're painting ECW.  It also gives a bit of interest and variety between the figures if you have more than one figure on a base.

The coats would be buff and the sleeves could be buff, if the sleeves are attached, or a colour such as grey, blue red or green, if they have been detached.

As for flags, the only command stand with a flag in my collection is King Charles with the Royal Standard.  In the early days, some of the more self-important nobles on either side (but especially the Royalists) might have carried a medieval style swallow-tailed standards, as opposed to their heraldic banners. However, I've never encountered any reference to them, so they would be rather "wargamey", if you know what I mean. 

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QuoteI went with buff, you can never have too many shades of buff/brown if you're painting ECW.  It also gives a bit of interest and variety between the figures if you have more than one figure on a base.

The coats would be buff and the sleeves could be buff, if the sleeves are attached, or a colour such as grey, blue red or green, if they have been detached.




Indeed, but many seem to have the sleeves pretty well completely concealed by bands of gold cloth/braid. As for Generals' standards, we do have records of a few personal, or lifeguards', cornets, such as Hesilrigge's (other spellings are available!).
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I agree that some of the cavalry commanders could have standards, in so far as they were colonels of horse regiments and these would be the cornets of the colonel's troop or his lifeguard troop.  I've also seen one illustration showing a standard for Prince Rupert, but can't say if it was conjecture.

I must say that so far I've not attempted showing gold lace/braid on my figures, but it seems a good idea if not overdone.  The fact that the Victorians are supposed to have misinterpreted this decoration as "rugby shirt" style coloured hoops always amuses me. 
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Last Hussar

OK, may do them buff coats then.

Any ideas on flags. They must have had them, so regimental commanders knew where the boss was.
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OK, we've been good for long enough ... can we do cats now?

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QuoteOK, we've been good for long enough ... can we do cats now?


And in a thread asking about colours he posts a black & white image . . .

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Same image ran through an online colouriser:
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Go on then I asked AI
"if cats had flags in 1640 England, what would they look like?"

In 1640 England, the concept of a cat flag would be a piece of literary humor or a satirical device, as animals did not bear flags in a formal sense. These fictional flags would likely emulate contemporary heraldic styles, featuring common cat-related "charges" (symbols) on fields of popular colors, perhaps with a touch of the English Civil War tension.
Design Elements
Fictional cat flags would incorporate design elements from actual 17th-century English heraldry:

Materials and Construction: They would be made of durable fabric, such as silk or wool, with designs possibly stitched on with intricate embroidery or painted.
   
Shape and Size: They might take the form of small, square flags known as "cornets" (used by cavalry), a long tapering flag ("standard"), or a simple square banner.

Colors: The dominant colors of the era included reds, whites, blues, golds, and greens, often used in contrast to make the symbols stand out.

Cat Heraldry (Fictional)
Emulating the style of the time, some potential cat flags might look like this:

The Westminster Mousers: A white flag featuring a bold, black silhouette of a stalking cat, with a red border. The canton (upper left corner) could contain a small red cross of St. George.

The Royalist Felines: A red standard, similar to the King's actual standard, with a golden lion (representing the English monarchy) but with a cat's head. A motto like "For the King, and the Cream" might be included.

The Parliamentarian Purr-itans: A simple white flag with a single, blue, upright fish in the center, as fish were a common symbol in humorous prints about cats versus rats.

The Tabby Militia: A flag with alternating horizontal stripes of green and red, featuring a golden fish hook in the center, a reference to their fishing prowess.

The satirical nature would be key, similar to a contemporary print which depicted "rats' banners displaying cheeses and hams, while the flags flown from the cats' castle bear fish".


So now you know. I've planted a theme in your head that won't go away :)

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QuoteAnd in a thread asking about colours he posts a black & white image . . .

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