Soviets absolutely tonked in "Modern Spearhead "

[Last Hussar]

Found this after a quick search.

The GSFG T-64s (misidentified for T-72s)...

And mine are tiny, no wonder I didn't know! I assume there were no Soviet T72 in western Europe then?

I'll just have to class them as T64s then!

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

None in the Northag area, but in the Leningrad MD and Checko forces. Also be some in the more favoured Warpact armies.

[Last Hussar]

Double checked. Mine are definitely T72 - the IR is on the right of the gun. I will just have to ignore that (I have to put on my x3.5 painting glasses to see it!) and call them T64s.

[Last Hussar]

Further.
Having checked the MSH stats, there is no difference, apart from the T64 has a gun launched missile... which is no better than the gun (or even worse depending if I am fielding the '78 version, or the '85).

Time to read the Arty rules   

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Combat differances between the 2 are minimal. Only very few 64's had the missile, T64B. All in service would be A's or B's the first model (T64) had the 115mm gun. All 64's had a multifuel engine which was worse than that in Cheiftain. Most 64's were built in Ukraine.

[Last Hussar]

Nah, I think mine were build in Liverpool...

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Thought Tankograd was nearer to Kyvi. Nearest tank factory to Liverpool was in Preston, and clsed in late 40's

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Ahem!
https://www.thetankfactory.co.uk/

[Last Hussar]

All I know is I got them from the Guardroom in Dunstable in 88 or 89.

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Ahem!
https://www.thetankfactory.co.uk/

OK why a link to a film studio ?

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

OK why a link to a film studio ?

It's in a former tank factory

[petedavies]

Regarding the use of T-72's... I archived a post from the MSH Yahoo group many years ago to justify mine    Here is an extract:

"...

The GSFG was an administrative organisation, and not a combat one.

The organisation included forces that in wartime would be subordinated to three
different fronts.

These fronts included formations from the Soviet and Warsaw Pact armies.

The mobilisation for war would not have begun in Germany, but in the Soviet
Union. That is, the lower readiness category divisions would have commenced
mobilisation and transportation to the forward areas somewhat a month before the
commencement of the offensive.

The forward divisions in the offensive would likely to have come from the lower
readiness units, and therefore would almost certainly have included T-72s coming
from the Moscow and Belorussian MDs among others.

..."

Be interested to hear other opinions, either for or against!

Cheers,
Pete

[Last Hussar]

I've just tried to find basis of my labelling; 61st Guards Regiment (it's tank). I must have taken this from somewhere, but I have no idea where.   

[pierre the shy]

61st Guards Tank Regiment was part of the 10th Guards Tank Division which was itself part of 3rd Army under Group of Soviet Forces Germany. 

https://www.ww2.dk/new/army/td/10gvtd.htm

3rd Army was expected to be the main opponent for BAOR wasn't it?

[Last Hussar]

Cheers.