Solid wheels for wagons to make them suitable for ancient/medieval

Started by Orcs, 22 May 2024, 08:06:41 AM

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Orcs

As many of the wagons are generic, could we have some more with solid wheels for ancient/medieval periods. This should only need different wheels cast
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Gwydion

Just before we all rush off and replace spoked wheels with solid lumpy objects - how many solid wheeled carts and wagons were there in late antiquity through medieval eras? I thought they all went for spokes asap at least as far back as in Roman times? Or am I wrong? Did the 'Early Medieval' period see the return of dumb tech solid wheels because they were thick? And if so how long before people went 'hang on didn't we used to be brighter than this?' and reinvent the wheel (spoked, wagons for the use of)?
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Leon

We've got a couple of solid wheels hiding about the place, would the ones on the Nap Mule cart work?

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Ithoriel

I'm pretty sure that  most carts had spoked wheels by Roman times.

Wheels were likely first invented in the Chalcolithic ( circa 3000 BCE ) somewhere in an arc that stretches from Ukraine to Sumeria and it seems possible that the first wheels were used for pottery or similar rather than transport. These first wheels would have been solid. Solid wheels are easier to make but less efficient so somewhere around the late 3rd millennium to the early 2nd millennium BCE spoked wheels were invented, possibly in Ukraine if the linguists are right.

So if you were poor in Ancient or Medieval times you might have solid wheels on your cart, though preference would have been for spokes. IIRC, there's a mosaic from Pompeii that shows a cart drawn by a pair of oxen which has solid wheels. 
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Orcs

Both Ithoriel and Gwydion are correct. Spoked wheels have been about since Egyptian times. They required considerable skill to make and were much more fragile hence costly. Solid wheels were more robust and  cheap to make. well within the skills of farmers etc.

So for the poor farmers and peasants please can we have solid wheels
 
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Gwydion

Ooh! Look! The new neighbours have got solid wheels on their cart! There goes the neighbourhood.

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At least I wouldn't be called on to do those. :P
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kipt

Portuguese carts during the Peninsular War were solid.  Many comments on the terrible noise they made when moving.