Flames of war to Blitzkrieg

Started by Jambo, 11 January 2024, 07:21:39 AM

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Jambo

Hello,

I have been debating to do with my FoW collection. I have a sizable force of panzer grenadiers and late war brits. I bought quite a lot back in 2010-11 before a wider range of plastics was available, so many of the models are pewter or metal. I have quite a few peter pig and other smaller 3rd parties. About 5 years ago I bought some of the detailed plastic bases and debased the models to prep them for rebasing/repainting.... where they've sat in a box since. I'm in two minds about what to do with them.

On one hand, I could rebase to FoW standards and then sell them on as to my knowledge FoW isn't all that popular anymore compared to the 10mm scene.
The other is I quite like a lot of the models and I've considered putting them on very basic Blitzkrieg bases to learn the game, and if I like it - replace it with a 10mm army from Pendraken. The question is would that be acceptable to most? I can be particular about scale (I wouldn't ever refuse to play someone so long as the scale is relatively close) but I respect that others might feel differently. 

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Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

Should work well for BKC - use 1 base as a section and 1 vehicle as 1 vehicle. Also take a look at "Battlegroup" from PSC. WElcom on board.
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fred.

If there is resale value in FoW figures, then stick with FoW basing. 

FoW basing will work with BKC or Battlegroup fine. You might need the odd extra command stand or similar between the rules, but a few extra command stands are quick and easy to put together. 

As for playing 15mm vs 10mm - it would very much depend on your opponent. Personally I think the size / bulk of the tanks would look odd. 

In my gaming group we have plenty of both 10mm and 15mm WWII so this hasn't really come up. The great thing about WWII is that as long as forces are fairly historical they will work with most rules. 
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BKC is eminently playable using 15mm figures.  If that's the scale you already have, and that your likely opponents have, it seems kind of masochistic to get rid of them all and change scales.

Duke Speedy of Leighton

I would say stick them on bases, and enjoy BKC.
As long as you have two opposing firces on same/similar base sizes, it would be fine.
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sultanbev

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A FoW army should convert well to BKC - FoW uses 2-3 bases per squad, whereas BKC uses 1 base to a platoon, so typically 9 bases of FoW infantry will give you a full infantry battalion in BKC. Or there abouts. In a push your small HQ bases that FoW uses can be used as BKC HQs/CO until you base up some proper ones.

If I recall correctly FoW bases ATG and MMG on enormously silly bases, so putting them on bases just big enough for the weapon and crew would make them applicable to most other rules.

And of course, your artillery no longer needs to be on table, one of the more dumber things of FoW, so you can allocate reasonable amounts of off-table artillery without the need of models.

But of course, 10mm looks so much better :)

Raider4

Flames of War uses three base sizes:

  • Small: 1" x 1.25" (25mm x 32mm)
  • Medium: 2" x 1.25" (50mm x 32mm)
  • Large: 2" x 2.5" (50mm x 65mm)

What units go on what base sizes is explained here.

Small ATG go on a medium., large ATG on a large base. Seems it's decided by the number of crew involved. Looking at the pictures used as examples they don't seem enormously silly?

I do like the FoW basing system, and was going to use it for my 10mm figs (bases suitably scaled down, of course).

sultanbev

Maybe it was earlier editions of FoW, or club members just basing ATG how they wanted. I remember some one with PAK40s and the base was so wide they couldn't deploy the gun on a road between two houses. it was a long time ago  :)
I was going to say the footprint of an MMG though should not be the same as the footprint of an infantry squad, the MMG should be based the other way round, but I keep forgetting one infantry base is half-third of a squad, not a full squad.

For an equivalence, I use 40mm x 20mm for a full infantry squad in 10mm, and 25mm x25mm for MMG teams. ATG teams fit on bases just wide enough for the gun.

here we have a 1943 German infantry platoon of a PHQ squad with PzB39 and 3 rifle/LMG squads on 40x 20mm bases, an MMG team and 8.1cm Gr34 mortar team each on 25mm square bases, and a 7.5cm IG18 on 25mm square base, and PAK40 on 30x 25mm base.

I do tend to keep a stock of most Pendraken bases sizes  :D