Is the AMX10RC a tank?

[OldenBUA]

Local news seems to agree that the AMX10RC isn't a tank, just an armoured recce vehicle.

https://www.nu.nl/297695/video/wanneer-is-iets-wel-of-geen-tank.html

Main points for deciding what is and isn't a tank is level of armour and intended tasks, which include archieving a breakthrough and knocking out other tanks according to this video.

[fsn]

Didn't understand a word of the video, but loved the way she said it.     

[fsn]

Wow! From the comments on the Dutch video I looked up some NATO definitions (this one admittedly from 1996) https://www.nato.int/ifor/general/d960126a.htm

The term "battle tank" means a self-propelled armoured fighting vehicle, capable of heavy firepower, primarily of a high muzzle velocity direct fire main gun necessary to engage armoured and other targets, with high cross-country mobility, with a high level of self-protection, and which is not designed and equipped primarily to transport combat troops. Such armoured vehicles serve as the principal weapon system of ground-force tank and other armoured formations.

Battle tanks are tracked armoured fighting vehicles which weigh at least 16,5 metric tons unladen weight and which are armed with a 360-degree traverse gun of at least 75 millimeters calibre. In addition, any wheeled armoured fighting vehicles entering into service which meet all the other criteria stated above shall also be deemed battle tanks.

The term "armoured combat vehicle" means a self-propelled vehicle with armoured protection and cross-country capability. Armoured combat vehicles include armoured personnel carriers, armoured infantry fighting vehicles, and heavy armament combat vehicles.

The term "armoured personnel carrier" means an armoured combat vehicle which is designed and equipped to transport a combat infantry squad and which, as a rule, is armed with an integral or organic weapon of less than 20 millimeters calibre.

The term "armoured infantry fighting vehicle" means an armoured combat vehicle which is designed and equipped primarily to transport a combat infantry squad, which normally provides the capability for the troops to deliver fire from inside the vehicle under armoured protection, and which is armed with an integral or organic cannon of at least 20 millimeters calibre and sometimes an antitank missile launcher. Armoured infantry fighting vehicles serve as the principal weapon system of armoured infantry or mechanized infantry or motorized infantry formations and units of ground forces.

The term "heavy armament combat vehicle" means an armoured combat vehicle with an integral or organic direct fire gun of at least 75 millimeters calibre, weighing at least 6,0 metric tons unladen weight, which does not fall within the definition of an armoured personnel carrier, or an armoured infantry fighting vehicle or a battle tank.

So the S-Tank is not a tank (no turret).
The AMX10RC is not a tank (not a "high level off self protection")
The Terminator is not a tank (biggest gun is 30mm)

[toxicpixie]

The "is the S-Tank a tank" debate is as old as a tank.

I think there's scope for doctrinal employment - is the vehcile capable of being used as a tank, and employed as such, in situations where "actual tanks" are used? (a BMP might well be a "main battle tank" in some warlord militia, but it's not at peer to an actual tank, for instance).

And my answer on that is "yes", as the Swedes happily used the S-Tank as a tank for the same missions as their tanks with turrets. It's not designed or intended as a "tank hunter".

I would NOT consider the Jagdpanzerkanone as a "tank", becuase it's not intended as such and is intended as a tank hunter/armoured ATG/assault gun.

[O Dinas Powys]

We'll be throwing the cat amongst the pigeons with the new Sci-Fi ranges, as I've got a lot of MBTs in there that'll be either anti-grav or wheeled...

At least you can use hover-tank or grav-tank for the former 

For the latter?  Well, in space, no on can hear you debate the definition of tanks or AFVs... 

[flamingpig0]

[fsn]

I'd hate to be a quartermaster for the Ukranians at the moment.

how many different types of vehicles, weapons and ammunition must they be dealing with? 

[Leon]

I'd hate to be a quartermaster for the Ukranians at the moment.

how many different types of vehicles, weapons and ammunition must they be dealing with? 

I've wondered that, the logistics of dealing with so many different manufacturers of hardware must be crazy.  I wonder if any of the donating countries are sending support staff with them, mechanics, spare parts, etc?

[flamingpig0]

I've wondered that, the logistics of dealing with so many different manufacturers of hardware must be crazy.  I wonder if any of the donating countries are sending support staff with them, mechanics, spare parts, etc?

Someone posited that a lot of it is performative or propaganda. The really important thing is the 155mm artillery

[fsn]

Have yuo seen the Perun video on this?