CWC-2 Army Lists - OLD

[flamingpig0]

Do you have that source please? As I could find record of veteran South Yemen tank crews, supporting the Ethiopians, but not what they were driving.
Thanks
Mark

http://armchairgeneral.com/the-ogaden-war-1977-1978.htm

The Ethiopians started receiving lots of help. Two South Yemeni tank Battalions with T-34s arrived in late September, and the Russians increased their aid.

Unfortunately no first had sources but it seems plausible; particularly as there doesn't seem to be any evidence that  South Yemen ever had T54s. Or at least  as far as I can find

[sultanbev]

I have them listed in MicroMark list AF80M:
   2 Yemeni Tank Battalions@   (late 1977+)
      Bttn HQ: 2x T-34/85

      3 Companies@ CHQ: 2x T-34/85
         2 platoons@ 3x T-34/85
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See List LA65M for the Cuban reinforcements

Mark

[Big Insect]

I agree that it seems logical - but as you say I can find nothing 1st-hand to back it up.

But bit more likely than the stories of the Israelis supplying napalm and cluster bombs and even (allegedly) flying sorties against the Somalis.

We can add the Yemini T34s in when we pick up the other list errata.

[Smartbomb]

Thank you

The BRMD-1's/2s are there ... in the Recce section, but the BMP-1's were not airlifted (as far as I am aware) it was primarily BRDMs, Infantry and ASU-85s (unless you know otherwise?) 

For the BMD-1s: Helion's Ogden War book (where I read it) and Grange, David (2002). Air-Mech-Strike, 2nd Ed. Paducah, KY: Turner Publishing Co. pp. 86–88. Per Wikipedia.

[Big Insect]

For the BMD-1s: Helion's Ogden War book (where I read it) and Grange, David (2002). Air-Mech-Strike, 2nd Ed. Paducah, KY: Turner Publishing Co. pp. 86–88. Per Wikipedia.

Many thanks Chris - I will include them for the Cubans, as c.70 appear to have been deployed in the Jijiiga flanking manoeuvre.
Which makes some sense, although it was a very 'early' non-Soviet use of the BMD, as it was only seen 'in public' in late 1970.

[sultanbev]

Apparently the 70 vehicles includes some ASU-57, although I haven't been able to find out this splits down. Soviet TOE of the era would have ~31x BMD in a air assault battalion, and 31x ASU-57 in an airborne assault gun battalion, so 70 could be a battalion of each with a few "RHQ" vehicles- or was it two air assault battalions and one assault gun battery?

Mark

[Big Insect]

Apparently the 70 vehicles includes some ASU-57, although I haven't been able to find out this splits down. Soviet TOE of the era would have ~31x BMD in a air assault battalion, and 31x ASU-57 in an airborne assault gun battalion, so 70 could be a battalion of each with a few "RHQ" vehicles- or was it two air assault battalions and one assault gun battery?

Mark

Sounds good Mark - thanks - and makes sense

[dylan]

There is some useful material in the CIA reading room on the Ogaden War.  For example this item about the Cuban forces:
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP81T00380R000100830001-1.pdf

[flamingpig0]

Shouldn't the Ethiopian list get a plus on infiltration? I am thinking here of the noteworthy deep outflanking of the Marda Pass.

[flamingpig0]

I would suggest the Ethiopian list get a plus on infiltration. I am thinking here of the noteworthy deep outflanking of the Marda Pass.

[Big Insect]

Agreed - good call - it should only apply post Cuban intervention and as long as a Soviet/Cuban adviser is commanding the Battlegroup.

[Phobos]

Is the Stryker brigade scheduled?

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Bit outside the timeframe of the rules.

[Phobos]

In the first edition appeared.

[Leon]

We will be creating more lists in the future so it might appear in one of those.

[Big Insect]

Currently there is no intention to produce this list. The primary scope of the rules is pre-1990.

The current US list has been extended to cover both  Gulf Wars, and it should be possible to build a Stryker Brigade from that.

[Superscribe]

Any time frame please for the update of the army list PDFs?

[Leon]

Any time frame please for the update of the army list PDFs?

It'll be once the Korean War supplement has been released and we get onto the CWC Errata document.  Most of the army lists have been tweaked already at this end though, so if there's something in particular you'd like to see I can check it and send it through?

[Superscribe]

Hi Leon

If already done I would be interested in amended PDFs for British, West German, Soviet and Soviet VDV army lists.

Regards

Chris

[Leon]

If already done I would be interested in amended PDFs for British, West German, Soviet and Soviet VDV army lists.

No worries, those are mostly done so I'll get them finished off.  Can you shoot me an email about it and I'll get them sent over to you?