ITLSU - SCW

[paulr]

I do not need another project 

Having said that I stumbled across the Yarkshire Gamer talking about using TooFatLardies If the Lord Spares Us rules for the Spanish Civil War

We already use ITLSU for WWI and a certain manufacturer has a substantial SCW range in 10mm

Can anyone point me in the direction of the Yarkshire Gamer or his SCW variant of ITLSU

[fred.]

Here's the link to Yarkshire land 

https://yarkshiregamer.blogspot.com/search?q=Scw&max-results=20&by-date=true

I did a search on SCW and lots of good stuff, but not immediately seeing anything on ITLSU

Like you Paul I don't need another project - but ITLSU and SCW could work well together. 

[mmcv]

Edit: Fred beat me to it!

The Yarkshire Gamer is here
https://yarkshiregamer.blogspot.com/search/label/Spanish%20Civil%20War?m=0

I had actually stumbled across him recently and have downloaded his podcast on ITLSU with Nick Skinner to listen to in the near future.

I didn't see any reference to his SCW rules though might be buried in one of those posts.

Some of these may be of use:
https://toofatlardies.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=10640&p=70121&hilit=Spanish+civil+war#p70121

Though perhaps he was referring to this? https://toofatlardies.co.uk/product/triumph-of-the-will/ though I'm unclear as to which of their family of systems it belongs to, think it's perhaps and older one that could possibly be used to adapt.

[hammurabi70]

You might consider:
For Whom the Dice Rolls
https://www.wargamevault.com/product/347931/For-Whom-The-Dice-Rolls
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FOqSNdTyf0JNaQhmYgRJklHsREqmU1E2/view
Arriba Espana!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Arriba-Espana-including-Portable-Spanish/dp/B098GX2GTW

The Yorkshire gamer has some great posts.

[paulr]

Thanks All

I had managed to find his blog and some of his YouTube videos

What I'm hoping to find is an email address so I can contact him directly (I'm not on instagram or facebook etc)

I do NOT need another set of rules, no matter how good they are, our groups is at rules maximum      

[Titivillus]

Here you go: yarkshiregamer@gmail.com

His name is Ken.

I'm not sure if he uses ITLSU for the Spanish Civil War, though. I think that it is just for his Iraq/Middle East games, but I could be wrong.

[paulr]

Thanks you very much Titivillus

I am pretty sure I saw mention of it in at least one post.
They use a Siesta card rather than the Tea Break card

[mmcv]

Thanks you very much Titivillus

I am pretty sure I saw mention of it in at least one post.
They use a Siesta card rather than the Tea Break card

Is it maybe "Up Your Cara Al Sol" a varient for I Ain't Been Shot Mum from the Summer 2004 special edition?

[paulr]

The Yarkshire Gamer was kind enough to respond promptly to my email

Unfortunately Titivillus was correct, they use a homebrew set that includes ITLSU like card activation

Back to the drawing board

[Titivillus]

No problem, Paul!

He might give you a copy of the rules, if you asked. Or you could try the I Ain't Been Shot Mum variant mentioned by mmcv. I think there is even a SCW variant for Chain of Command/Big Chain of Command, if you want smaller level games.

[paulr]

The Yarkshire Gamer suggested Triumph of the Will which was written by TFL at about the same time as ITLSU

I've had a quick read and they are very similar to ITLSU but annoyingly different as well for a group trying to remember different rule sets. The main difference is that the figure strength of the company represents the inherent energy of the Company rather than actual numbers of combatants     

When I have some time I'll work through each of the mechanisms and see if I can use ITLSU to get a similar outcome with a tweak or two. Hopefully I can map figure numbers to ITLSU Spunk ratings

[mmcv]

I've been listening to the ITLSU episode and Nick was saying it was built off TotW. Though became it's own beast very quickly. Regardless I'm sure you can fudge some aspects in to bring the right flavour to the core rules to suit your group.

[paulr]

Started comparing mechanisms and mods look very doable  

I'll be sticking with ITLSU's focus on the numbers of combatants rather than the TOtW's inherent energy of the Company. ITLSU's Spunk ratings will cover most of TOtW's energy ideas

This will be an interesting side project to potter away at

[paulr]

One thing that seems to be a feature of several SCW rules is to grade troops based on training, for example; Regular, Drilled, Militia.

The rules then go on to make Militia more vulnerable and Regulars less. I was wondering if the Libertad! supplement does something similar.

[mmcv]

One thing that seems to be a feature of several SCW rules is to grade troops based on training, for example; Regular, Drilled, Militia.

The rules then go on to make Militia more vulnerable and Regulars less. I was wondering if the Libertad! supplement does something similar.

It has "Green" and "Veteran" which probably equate somewhat to Militia and Drilled

[paulr]

Are Green more vulnerable to fire?

[mmcv]

Are Green more vulnerable to fire?

Caveat: I have only read the rules not actually played them yet.


From what I understand green troops are less likely to be suppressed (due to lacking battle awareness) but when suppressed have a harder time shaking it off. I believe this means they are more vulnerable to fire as they spend more time in the open rather than going to ground like veteran troops which are suppressed sooner but more able to shake it off.

But hopefully someone more knowledgeable can confirm!

[paulr]

Thanks, it looks as though this is a common approach across multiple rule sets

Now, how to do do that appropriately in ITLSU

[paulr]

My pottering about continues...

Can anyone point me at good online sources for brigade organisations for Jarama in February 1937

This looks to involve an interesting variety of forces and seems to be late enough that both sides have some experience but early enough to avoid masses on conscripts

After some initial prodding about I'm quite interested in the Nationalist IV Brigade and the Republican XII International Brigade

[John Cook]

Republican XII International Brigade and Nationalist IV Brigade 

There is very little on-line concerning orders of battle, detailed ones anyway, that I can see.  There are books, mainly Spanish in origin that contain orders of battle but most seem to be out of print these days and used copies are becoming expensive.  Ones you should look for on Jarama are Rafael Lopez and Artemio Perez 'La Batalla del Jarama' and Carlos Engel 'Historia de las Brigadas Mixtas del Ejército Popular de la Republica'.  In English Ben Hughes 'They Shall not Pass – The British Battalion at Jarama' is a readable account of the British battalion at Jarama and also contains an order of battle.

Here are OBs for the formations you are interested in.

2a Agrupación – 18a Brigada Mixta
                           24a Brigada Mixta
                           XII Brigada Internacionale.  Commanded by Béla Frankl aka Máté Zalka aka General Pál
                           Lukács KIA Huesca 11 June 1937. 

                           Batallón Dombrowski (Polish-Balkan)
                           Batallón Garibaldi (Italian, Albanian, Spanish)
                           Batallón André Marty (Franco-Belgian)
                           Batallón Madrid (Spanish)
                           Batallón Prieto (Spanish)
                           one unidentified cavalry squadron.

II Agrupación – V Brigada
                         IV Brigada.  Commanded by Coronel don Carlos Asensio Cavanillas

                         7o Regimiento de Infantería comprising

                         I Tabor de Regulares de Tetuan
                         II Tabor de Regulares de Tetuan
                         II Batallón Expedicionario de Tenerife

                         8o Regimiento de Infantería comprising

                         VI Bandera de la Legión
                         VII Tabor de Regulares de Melilla
             
                        1o Regimiento de Caballería comprising

                         3o Escuadrón del Grupo de Regulares de Alhucemas No 5
                         3o Escuadrón Cazadores de Numancia No 6
                         4o Escuadrón Cazadores de Numancia No 6
                         Sección ametralladoras Cazadores de Numancia No 6
                         Sección ametralladoras Cazadores de Villarrobledo No 1

                         3a Batería del Grupo de Artilleriá de Acompañamiemto (65/17 Mod 13)
                         10a Batería del 13o Regimiento Ligero (Schneider de 75/28)
                         4a Batería del 15o Regimiento Ligero (Schneider de 75/28)
                         5a Batería del 14o Regimiento Ligero (Vickers 105/22)
                         Batería Ligera de la Academia de Artilleriá (Vickers 105/22)
                         1a Sección de la 1a Batería Antitanque (Pak 35/36)

                         3a Companía de Batallón de Carros de Combate (PzKpfw I Ausf A)

                         6a Companía de Zapadores de Valladolid