Russian wish list

[John Cook]

Zippee, I forgot to include the change from high boots and breeches to trousers:

23 December 1807 - Breeches to be replaced by winter trousers with leather lower parts and summer trousers of white linen with integral gaiters fastened with covered buttons.  Boots to be replaced by "others with soft tops" (not entirely sure what this means exactly but I take it to mean short boots as opposed to the 14" high boots of 1802).

[Zippee]

Useful list and drawings

I think we need to be practical about minor shako differences - a range is a big investment, besides I was talking about pushing the early range to 1809 which is hypothetical at best, hardly worth its own range. People will use what they have for such things.
Again with clubbed hair, we either leave it in for the early range or assume it's dispensed with in campaign, I don't think we can granulise that far, my preference is to leave it in as its another distinguishing feature.
I'd need to see comparisons of mitres to know for sure but maybe that's an additional early range item

Hats in 1805 seems unlikely for the army sent west - possible in sme other inspections. Of course hats were worn on the march by all kinds of troops unofficially so we can't rule it out but need to go with the most likely representative look and that I think is shapki for musketeers

As we need grenadier mitres for Pavlovski in any case we need to include it - whether its used for other regiments is then irrelevant and left to the player/purchaser. Likewise whether the grenadier battalion of a musketeer regiment was in mitre or shapki is largely irrelevant to the figures required for the range. We need grenadier in shapki, grenadier in mitre, musketeer in shapki, jager in shapki and possibly fusilier in mitre - we can mix n match from there.

I find the Pavlovski move to all grenadier mitre as compelling evidence that fusilier mitres had long since disappeared. If not there should have been a surplus of re-usable mitres that the regiment could have acquired. Or maybe the dispensation granted to them specified only grenadier mitres, and therefore being sticklers the fusilier mitres had to go ...

I agree my interest drops markedly post 1809. Quite why the later period is so popular is beyond me the engagements become slug fests with little tactical acumen. Don't get me wrong the strategic qualities displayed in 1814 for instance are highly impressive but the battles are mostly dull. And teh uniforms degenerate into shako and greatcoat, just hasn't got the panache anymore. Still 1812+ is the popular period, and ranges need to account for that - but I am cynical enough that I fear few people will pick up the mid period range.

Trouser/gaiters are a good point - another dividing point between the early and mid era like the packs. Although how apparent the difference will be in 10mm is open to question.

[golem]

+1 vote 

[Leman]

I wish Mr.Putin would be a little less aggressive.

[cudders]

Hi,

I think the 1812 Russians do need a revamp so they are in the same style of the more recent excellent Nap sculpts. Also a lot of omissions in the range. I will be starting on Naps soon and the Ruskies will be a large army so watching with interest

Cudders

[Leon]

Votes added!

[cudders]

I think a revamp is needed to update the Russians to the new standard. I'm happy with a Kiwer and not bothered abut the nitty gritty of the multiple changes of the short period.

Of course a full range is needed such including all the cavalry and artillery that is missing. Its the only significant range missing and apart from the peninsula.

[Zippee]

but the kiwer is the shortest period - 1814-15

the shapki variants cover the rest of the wars 1805-13

[cudders]

In 10mm its not really that distinguishable. Unlike say the helmets of the period.

So shako, Concave Kiwer I'll be happy 

[Zippee]

I disagree to a point on the shape not being distinguishable in 10mm but regardless of that the plumes and lack of cords make a vast difference.

Even if a did agree that they were the similar enough not to distinguish why make the one only suitable for a 2 year period instead of the style suitable for the preceding 8 years?

Not to mention the notable differences in greatcoat and pack style of the earlier years

[cudders]

I disagree to a point on the shape not being distinguishable in 10mm but regardless of that the plumes and lack of cords make a vast difference.

Even if a did agree that they were the similar enough not to distinguish why make the one only suitable for a 2 year period instead of the style suitable for the preceding 8 years?

Not to mention the notable differences in greatcoat and pack style of the earlier years

Never said which one...

[Zippee]

Apologies, I took the phrase "So shako, Concave Kiwer I'll be happy  " to be an indication of a preference for kiwer.

I guess you meant either shako or kiwer? Or "just give some Russians!"

Possibly misread because we'd been using the term shapki for clarity 

[cudders]

No need to apologise pal.

Defo need some russians for my upcoming project.

I'm off the Varpnatak so hassle Leon 

Cudders