Peninsular Napoleonics Not-Kickstarter!

[Techno]

Welcome to the forum, Ave. 

Cheers - Phil

[paulr]

Welcome

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Yet another one, mess is getting crowed, Welcome and see my post of yesterday. 

[Zippee]

Russian musketeers received their first felt shako, called a 'shapki' in 1803.  An improved type was authorised for musketeers and grenadiers 1805.  In 1807 it received leather reinforcements around the top and at the sides, and a new name - the 'kiver'.  The characteristic shako with the concave top, authorised in 1812 was also called a 'kiver'.  I have seen it said that 'flash to bang' for these new pieces of kit was at about a year.

There is also the matter of knapsacks.  The cylindrical one was replaced by a square one in 1808 so there would be a need for three different Russian infantry figures to cover the major campaigns of the period.

I'm not convinced the added bands on the shako would really matter in 10mm if it was just that, which is why I disregarded it. The backpack is a good point though, I tend to forget the change doesn't correspond to the headgear change. And it is highly noticeable.

That means
Early War - 1803-07 cylindrical shako, busch plume, cylindrical backpack
Mid War - 1808-1811 reinforced shako, busch plume, square backpack*
Late War - 1812-15 concave 'kiwer' shako, thin plumes, square backpack

I know the Mid War uniform is actually the most likely for the 1812 campaign but I have to question how popular it would be, I suspect the average parsimonious wargamer would plump for Early or Late (mostly Late) be nice to see it though, are there any others in existence?

*I think the cavalry and artillery remain Early/Late - I can't immediately think of any major differences for the middle period, unless shakos ...

[Orcs]

 

Accusing me of illiteracy, you...you...you forumite! (There, I've said it, and I feel so much better.)

[Orcs]

Welcome Ave75.


While the forum is fun and informative, some of the members are ,well , um........ nothing short of insane.

In fact as I said to the Giant Rabbit and Evil hedgehog yesterday" they really are absolutely mad".    I did not get to hear their replies as my friend in the white coat came and told me it was tea time.

[John Cook]

I'm not convinced the added bands on the shako would really matter in 10mm if it was just that, which is why I disregarded it. The backpack is a good point though, I tend to forget the change doesn't correspond to the headgear change. And it is highly noticeable.

That means
Early War - 1803-07 cylindrical shako, busch plume, cylindrical backpack
Mid War - 1808-1811 reinforced shako, busch plume, square backpack*
Late War - 1812-15 concave 'kiwer' shako, thin plumes, square backpack

I know the Mid War uniform is actually the most likely for the 1812 campaign but I have to question how popular it would be, I suspect the average parsimonious wargamer would plump for Early or Late (mostly Late) be nice to see it though, are there any others in existence?

*I think the cavalry and artillery remain Early/Late - I can't immediately think of any major differences for the middle period, unless shakos ...

Yes, I think you have the essence of the appearance of the Russians as far as it is reasonable to expect in a 10mm figure.  It is 'worse' than that though, because you have cords added in 1809 and the thin plume replacing the busch-type in 1811. 

[John Cook]

Add the buildings to my pledge please.

SCN-NAP1   Small house, type 1   £4.00
SCN-NAP2   Small house, type 2   £4.00
SCN-NAP3   Small house, type 3   £4.00
SCN-NAP4   Large house, type 1   £5.00
SCN-NAP5   Large house, type 2   £5.00
SCN-NAP6   Villa/chateau   £6.00
SCN-NAP7   Tavern   £6.00
SCN-NAP8   Church   £6.00
SCN-NAP9   Hermitage   £3.00
SCN-NAP10   Windmill   £5.00
SCN-NAP11   Cemetery   £3.00
SCN-NAP12   Accessories (fountain, shrine, troughs)   £3.00

[FJAdams]

Don't play Napoleonics, but will add these to my growing village getting closer to a town.

SCN-NAP1   Small house, type 1   £4.00
SCN-NAP2   Small house, type 2   £4.00
SCN-NAP3   Small house, type 3   £4.00
SCN-NAP4   Large house, type 1   £5.00
SCN-NAP5   Large house, type 2   £5.00
SCN-NAP6   Villa/chateau   £6.00
SCN-NAP7   Tavern   £6.00
SCN-NAP8   Church   £6.00
SCN-NAP9   Hermitage   £3.00
SCN-NAP10   Windmill   £5.00
SCN-NAP11   Cemetery   £3.00
SCN-NAP12   Accessories (fountain, shrine, troughs)   £3.00
NPX14    Mule train (6 mules + driver)     £2.50
NPX15    Small cart with mules (2 per pack)     £3.50
NPX16    Wagons with oxen (2 per pack)     £5.50

Total=£65.5

Frank J Adams

[Leon]

Thanks for those additions, that puts us past the £8500 mark!

[monkeynut]

Looking for some advice ref British Fusiliers wearing bearskins (yes I know they didn't wear them on campaign) but in my army they do as I'm the general! And as stated before if it looks good then they're in ! Who can resist a battalion or two? Bearing in mind my limitations on converting figures could anyone suggest any "stand in" figures from any Pendraken range given  a paint job  that would pass a quick inspection ?
Thanks in advance.

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And if I want to give the battalion a goat mascot l will.historically correct or not.

[fsn]

What about the French grenadiers?

[dimmy]

Hi,
This is my pledge :
British
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3x NPB1   Centre Company, march attack   
2x NPB3   Flank Company, march attack (16)    
1x NPB5   Line command   
1x NPB6   Mounted Officer in bicorne (5)   
1x NPB15   6pdr with line crew (3)   
1x NPB17   9pdr with line crew (3)   
2x NPB23   British ADCs/Generals (3 poses)    
1x PNFL519   British flags   

Portuguese
===========
2x NPP1   Line infantry in barretina, march attack   
1x NPP2   Line command in barretina (15)    
1x NPP5   Mounted officer in barretina (5)    
1x NPP6   Cacadores in barretina, march attack, inc. command   
1x NPP16   General Beresford (1)  
1x PNFL520   Portuguese flags   

Buildings
==========

1x SCN-NAP6   Villa/chateau   
1x SCN-NAP7   Tavern   
1x SCN-NAP10   Windmill   
1x SCN-NAP11   Cemetery   
1x SCN-NAP12   Accessories (fountain, shrine, troughs)   

Others
=======
2x NPF45   French ADCs/Generals (3 poses)    
2x NPR21   Prussian ADCs/Generals (3 poses)    
1x NDW15   Polish General in czapska (1 pose)    

Total :
98,35 GBP

Best regards

[Leon]

Thanks for the pledge!

[samurai]

Hi Leon, Here is my order:

Portuguese
1 -NPP1   Line infantry in barretina   £5.50
1 - NPP2   Line command in barretina (15)    £2.75
1 - NPP3   Line infantry in stovepipe shako   £5.50
1 - NPP4   Line command in stovepipe shako (15)    £2.75
1 - NPP5   Mounted officer in barretina (5)    £1.85
1 - NPP9   6pdr with barretina crew (3)   £5.50

Spanish   
4 - NSP1   Fusiliers in 1805 uniform (c1807)   £5.50
1 - NSP2   Fusilier command in 1805 uniform (c1807)   £5.50
2 - NSP3   Grenadiers in 1805 uniform (c1807) inc. command (16)   £2.95
1 - NSP4   Mounted officer (5)   £1.85
1 - NSP5   Cazadores in 1802 uniform, inc command   £5.50
2 - NSP7   Fusiliers in 1805 uniform (c1809-1810)   £5.50
1 - NSP8   Fusilier command in 1805 uniform (c1809-1810)   £5.50
2 - NSP10   Provincial Volunteers/Militia in civilian clothes (c1809)   £5.50
2 - NSP11   Provincial infantry in Chistera hat (c1809-1813)   £5.50
2 - NSP12   Provincial infantry command in Chistera (c1809-1813) (15)   £2.75
2 - NSP15   Guerillas, inc. command   £5.50
1 - NSP16   Line Cavalry   £5.50
3 - NSP17   Dragoons   £5.50
1 - NSP18   Hussars   £5.50
2 - NSP20   Garrochista lancers   £5.50
1 - NSP21   4pdr with line crew (3)   £5.50
1 - NSP30   Limber with team / out-riders (2)   £5.50

added 5/20/20

1 - NPB23   British ADCs/Generals (3 poses)    £1.20
1 - NPP16   General Beresford (1)   £0.75
2 - NSP31   Spanish ADCs/Generals (3 poses)   £1.20
1 - NPX14    Mule train (6 mules + driver)     £2.50
1 - NPX15    Small cart with mules (2 per pack)     £3.50
2 - NPF45   French ADCs/Generals (3 poses)    £1.20
2 - NPR21   Prussian ADCs/Generals (3 poses)    £1.20
3 - NDW15   Polish General in czapska (1 pose)    £0.55

Total 185.90 pounds (148.5 pounds (27 x 5.5) 20.60 pounds (8 x others)16.80 pounds (add ons)

[monkeynut]

Thanks fsn definitely looking like a contender

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[Zippee]

Yes, I think you have the essence of the appearance of the Russians as far as it is reasonable to expect in a 10mm figure.  It is 'worse' than that though, because you have cords added in 1809 and the thin plume replacing the busch-type in 1811. 

Cords as early as that? I thought they were part of the 1811 reforms ...

I know they seem de rigour in 13/14 were they a routine field item earlier?

[Bertie]

Hi Leon,

Can you add the following to my order.

NPB23 x 3
NPP16 x 1
NPR21 x 3

I am tempted with the Rhine infantry but.. Have you had chance to consider skirmish figures for all the Peninsular range. Thet would be fantastic garnish for the table and make great skirmish screens for the rules.

[John Cook]

Are the light infantry figures not in 'Firing Line' poses?

[John Cook]

Cords as early as that? I thought they were part of the 1811 reforms ...

I know they seem de rigour in 13/14 were they a routine field item earlier?

Yes, on 11 June 1809 cords were authorised for all lower ranks.  White for privates and white with a mixture of black and orange for NCOs and musicians.

I always wonder if these kinds of embellishments lasted very long on campaign though.