Next Project 2020

[paulr]

Hundred Years War is looking more and more interesting

Several of the armies have a number of variants over the period so I'll have a look what I need to field all the variants

Thanks again for the feedback

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

I suspect my next project will be 10mm NATO for Battlegroup Northag - the Falklands range will supply the Brits, Clogies and Belgums and probably Danes...

[Chris Pringle]

Thanks Chris, I'm looking for a 10mm project but a generic army is an interesting approach

Thanks Leon & Lemmy

Duh, yeah, I meant 10mm - just my own generic blue army with interchangeable flags is in 6mm.

It works for late C19 Dutch, Belgians and Swiss as well, if you're into what-if wars!

[mmcv]

Thanks for the thoughtful discussion. I'll probably do one or the other at the moment leaning towards 100YW

If you could pop a couple pics on this thread it would be much appreciated

Yes no problem, hopefully they'll arrive in the next couple of days and I'll fire some pics up.

It's definitely an interesting period with a lot of variety on offer. One I'd like to do myself at some point in the distant future. I've actually a few bases if billmen and archers (from another manufacturer) as the first 10mm troops I ever painted, though ended up going for the crusades instead.

[mmcv]

Hey paul, my order arrived today so as promised here are some photos:

This is a mix of the late medieval range unarmoured pike and gallowglass with some TB line infantry:







This is the cavalry - TB line cavalry is a lot bigger and chunkier than Pendraken standard so I probably wouldn't mix them on the same bases. I don't have any from their medieval cavalry range but can see it against some of the other Pendraken cavalry which I imagine use similar horse scales. The black one is from the Norman range, the others are arab cavalry.









Here's the medieval base mixed in with some bits from the Norman range (they're a bit smaller and finer so don't mix as well, but they're likely too early for you anyway).





So overall I'd be happy mixing the infantry between the TB and Medieval range, but the cavalry I'd probably go for different bases, unless the Medieval cavalry is chunkier than the rest of the Pendraken range, I'm sure Leon could confirm that one.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Looks fun

[Techno]

Looking forward to seeing these progress ! 

Cheers - Phil

[mmcv]

Medieval can be a lot of fun, lots of opportunity for colour and as the infantry tend to be a hodgepodge of different types can mix and match a few different packs together.

Looking forward to seeing what Paul does with the 100YW project!

[paulr]

Many thanks for the pictures mmcv

I must have been looking at the various packs at bit as I can identify which figures are from which packs at a glance

The TB knights definitely don't mix on the same base with the Normans or the Arabs, I wonder how they compare to the ELM knights

The caparisons are certainly larger than the barding on ELM1 Mounted knights, barded horses; they look more like ELM36 14th Century Knights

It looks like I can use the TB foot but maybe not the mounted

[paulr]

Looking forward to seeing these progress ! 

Cheers - Phil

Seconded

[mmcv]

Many thanks for the pictures mmcv

I must have been looking at the various packs at bit as I can identify which figures are from which packs at a glance

The TB knights definitely don't mix on the same base with the Normans or the Arabs, I wonder how they compare to the ELM knights :-

The caparisons are certainly larger than the barding on ELM1 Mounted knights, barded horses; they look more like ELM36 14th Century Knights

It looks like I can use the TB foot but maybe not the mounted :- :-

No worries, wish I'd a sample of the ELM cavalry to share too, I did find I'd a EMM knight who was the same size as the Norman and Arab so no help there.

The foot mix well so I'd recommend using a variety. I'm using four different packs all mixed up for my crusader infantry. Plus a pack of knights as separate bases (for dismounted/attached).

I started my army using a different manufacturer who have chunkier knights so the TB mix okay with them, but wouldn't mix with Pendraken standard cavalry. Leon may be able to weigh in on whether the ELM use the same horses, suspect they do so would be smaller than TB.

How's your plan coming together, any bits you're still pondering over?

[fred.]

Looking good - I like the mixed foot bases.

The TB Line cavalry is a lot bigger than the Pendraken cavalry. I've found cavalry sizes vary much more between 10mm manufacturers than infantry.

TB cavalry are some of the biggest, similar in size to GW Warmaster Empire cavalry. Pendraken and Magister Militium cavalry are towards the smaller end. But infantry from all 4 work together pretty well. And as well as variation between manufacturers, individual manufacturers aren't that consistent either - GW Bretonian cavalry is much slighter more in size with Pendraken.

All in all if you have separate units its not too noticeable, though odd times opposing bases end up fighting it can suddenly look like giants vs midgets.

[mmcv]

The TB Line cavalry is a lot bigger than the Pendraken cavalry. I've found cavalry sizes vary much more between 10mm manufacturers than infantry.

TB cavalry are some of the biggest, similar in size to GW Warmaster Empire cavalry. Pendraken and Magister Militium cavalry are towards the smaller end.

I find MM cavalry to be a bit bigger and chunkier than Pendraken, not quite as big as TB but more similar in style to TB than the finer details of Pendraken. Irregular I find closer in scale to Pendraken. Most of my knights are MM, so expanding them with TB is more practical than Pendraken standard. I might experiment with mixing TB and MM on the same base at some point and see how it looks.

Use Pendraken for a lot of the horse archers though as separate bases look fine and Arab and turk horses tended to be smaller anyway.

Once the TB Islamics come out the Mamlukes will get reinforced though!

[paulr]

Thanks Fred & mmcv

I've decided to not use the mounted TB Line figures as I'm doing DBA armies so the figures really need to mix well either on the element or on adjacent elements

I've decided to use some ELM28 Mounted knights, unbarded horses (30) and ELM36 14th Century Knights (22) to add variety to ELM1 Mounted knights, barded horses (85)

8 poses for Knights with 4 figures per element should be pretty varied

I think I've worked out figures for everything now, I'll let the order sit for a day and review again to see if there is anything I want to tweak

[mmcv]

Excellent, I look forward to seeing what you do with them all. Sounds like you've got a good plan.

[paulr]

There is one thing I'm having trouble making my mind up on

The plan is to mainly play Big Battle DBA using 3 armies per side so I'm planning on building two French and two English armies covering all the options

I'm also looking at having one ally each fighting with the French and English
I'm looking to build four different allies with the English and French being able to pick one of three of the four as ally for each game:
- Scottish - always allied to the French
- Low Countries - always allied to the English
- Burgundian - mainly allied to the French but were allied to the English (1419 to 1435)

The fourth ally is the one I'm having trouble with, I'm looking for someone mainly allied to the English but also allied to the French of part of the period

At this stage possibilities are:
- Portuguese
- Argonese (perhaps a bit internally focused)
- Castilian (seem to be mainly French allies)
- Navarrese

I'd be interested in thoughts on which of these or any others might fit the fourth ally slot; mainly an English Ally but also allied to the French for part of the war would be ideal

[mmcv]

Are there any army lists for the Papacy? As the Papal States and Avignon Papacy were involved politically. They were obviously more of a funder than an active engager, but could maybe do some fom of mercenary company army to represent Papal involvement? Or even a standard mercenary army for the time period that could fight for either side if the lists allow. There was a lot of mercenaries around at the time, mostly in the lull periods, but no doubt some partook in the war itself.

[Big Insect]

Portugal is England's oldest ally - going to the reign of Richard II.
But I am not sure that they also allied with France, but I think having a Free Company force might be helpful here, as Castile had a major civil war for example - with French or English dominated Free Companies supporting either side.
I am not sure about Aragonese allies TBH. But in Spain you could add in a Moorish/Andalusian force maybe?

Bretons and Norman allies might also be an option.

Nice project.

Mark

[paulr]

The Papacay is covered by the Italian Condotta list and certainly fought the French but doesn't list the English as an enemy

A Free company is definitely worth looking at

I'll also have a look at fielding both Portugal & Castile as the troop types are similar and how many people can identify their heraldry at sight

[paulr]

I've decided I'll go with a suitably international Free Company

Looks like I'll need just over 1,300 figures