Saladin and Saracen released!

[Leon]

Which Leo 1, the 1A1 or 1A3/4

If it's just the different turret then we'll be doing both.

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

There are 3 - the original dome A1 and A2, the rectangular one with spaced armour A3 and A4, and one which the uparmoured dome the 1A1.
Also if the Saracen turret is separate then you have done the ferret turret.

ianS

[Leon]

There are 3 - the original dome A1 and A2, the rectangular one with spaced armour A3 and A4, and one which the uparmoured dome the 1A1.
Also if the Saracen turret is separate then you have done the ferret turret.

It'll be at least the A1/A2 and A3/A4 turrets, but knowing Mart probably all 3!  I'll have a look at that Saracen turret as I'd not realised it was the same one from the Ferret.

[Sunray]

Saladin and Saracen troops have arrived.  Thanks Leon! 

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Berets would have a wide proxy application, and the officers need SMGs instead of Mk4 rifles.

No they dont, STENs and Strilongs were mostly discarded in front line infantry units for No 4 rifles or later SLR's as being both lacking in stopping power and a dead give away to snipers.

IanS

[Sunray]

No they dont, STENs and Strilongs were mostly discarded in front line infantry units for No 4 rifles or later SLR's as being both lacking in stopping power and a dead give away to snipers.

IanS

No Ian.  It depended on the deployment.  When we deployed first on Operation Banner, SMGs (Stirlings) were the universal issue.  They were withdrawn by 1976 due to the PIRA sniper factor and the accuracy issue in an "aid to civil power" scenario.  Back in BAOR the SMGs were again issued up until the early 1980s.
In the Battle of Goose Green, H Jones carried a Stirling SMG when he won his  VC.

I can give you loads of photos for NCOs, R/Os and Officers packing SMGs for policing actions in Cyprus, Aden, Malaya and Kenya.   Personally I preferred the SLR, as it kept the logistics simple.

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

But have seen No1 on the Charlie G carrying an SLR, and there is that film of the Radio OP following his officer around a field - he has full kit with an SLR, the officer in that case has a sterling. WO's and Field officers may have carried Sterling's, but very few platoon officers would have, and it goes back to WWII as well, read MacDonlad Fraser "Quartered Safe out Here".

It's not official but common practice.

IanS

[Sunray]

The answer as I said depended on (a) deployment, (b) a personal choice by those who had the rank/sway  to be allowed a choice, and (c) the "culture" of the unit.


In Dofar the ranges in the killing ground tended to be 200 meters +, so the flat shooting SRL was a universal choice.
In BAOR I have seen the Milan man portable (sic) missile team all packing SLRs.  They were Grenadier Guards.    Their officers swanned around with SMGs.
It was not until the Falklands that Warminster School of Infantry began to appreciate the amount of ball needed when supressing a modern enemy. dug in with GPMGs.  
The heresy  prompted by Operation Banner was  to send a man on patrol with 20 operational rounds.  Yes, it made the SLR a light load, but it fed the myth that 80 was sufficient for a `1980s firefight  that might drag on for 12 hours.  

In the day of Gun Group and Rifle Group,  I would argue that there was an acceptance that the SMG gave light suppressive fire in CQB situations.    If your are fired  at by a puny 9mm up to 50 yards away, you will take cover.  That allows debuss and engagement.

It was thus in Northern Ireland until the Yellow Card changed the goal posts.

But the real reason - it was light and handy.  

[Orcs]

South Korean 3.5" M20 bazooka team
South Korean 2.36" bazooka team

In view of the production costs involved is their really a need for both types of bazooka.  In 10mm the barrel diameter difference is less that 0.2mm , and the M20 had a slightly more flared muzzle?  Hard enough to see the difference at 6 inches with a magnifying glass, and I would say impossible at 3 feet.

[Ben Waterhouse]

I was waving a Small Metal Gun around both in the Int Corps and HAC 1978-85

[Sunray]

I think the point that officers could and did carry what Ben calls the Small Metal Gun is well made.  I accept Ian's qualifications, indeed Op Banner taught my generation to "blend".

However, for the likes of Techno (Phil), the challenge is to make officer figures a sniper's delight - ie distinctive in 10mm scale.

For that reason, the SMG, pistol in holster (still carried by officers in the early 1970s), map cases and binoculars is a legitimate and essential part of the sculpt.

The specific figure in question is KBR14.  He is carrying a No4  at High Port. It is a pose that would work better (in my opinion) with an SMG - in this case a late mark of Sten.   Did the  Stirling also make it to Korea in 1953?   I know the Patchett was in action in late WW2.

[mart678]

Glad you like them
As for the others on list
I aim to do all the visible variants for Chieftain,Leopard1 as some mk's only have internal upgrades and not visible external ones the plans are scaled the trucks are under way Tanks to follow !,,

[Sunray]

Glad you like them
As for the others on list
I aim to do all the visible variants for Chieftain,Leopard1 as some mk's only have internal upgrades and not visible external ones the plans are scaled the trucks are under way Tanks to follow !,,

Thanks Mart - love your work!

[mart678]

Thanks Sunday

[Techno]

Who's Sunday ?

(Predictive text strikes again.)

Cheers - Phil 

[Matt J]

Quick question for Mart/Leon.

Is the Saladin in same scale as the current M113 ie will the turret go on the M113 and not look out of place? My Vietnam Aussies need more fire power (as if Cents weren't enough  )

Cheers

Matt

[Leon]

Quick question for Mart/Leon.

Is the Saladin in same scale as the current M113 ie will the turret go on the M113 and not look out of place? My Vietnam Aussies need more fire power (as if Cents weren't enough  )

I'd need to double check the real-life dimensions but I think our M113 is probably a bit smaller than 1:150th?  When we got the M59 and M75 done more recently, they were noticeably bigger than the M113's (more than they should be!)  Mart's always spot on with his scales so there's a chance that the old designer was working to 1:160th instead.

[mart678]

Cheers Phil or Phillis lol I meant Sunray 

[Sunray]

I'd need to double check the real-life dimensions but I think our M113 is probably a bit smaller than 1:150th?  When we got the M59 and M75 done more recently, they were noticeably bigger than the M113's (more than they should be!)  Mart's always spot on with his scales so there's a chance that the old designer was working to 1:160th instead.

That's interesting.  The Pendraken M113 is a perfect fit with the Minifigs model.  Indeed I deploy at least one MAV102 (open ramp door and top hatch) with the Pendraken troop.  Then other Minifig models are smaller than Timecast and Pendraken, which suggests that despite the 10/12mm claim, they are closer to 1/160. (N Gauge).  The turret on the Scorpion is a good example.

Barrie (Timecast) told me their new range was spot on 1/150.  How does the Timecast M113 look alongside Pendraken?

This is where you really appreciate the research done by the Headless Horseman! 

[Techno]

Cheers Phil or Phillis lol I meant Sunray 

Cheers - Phil