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[Dr Dave]

Recce
[edit] Posted on 01 May 2019 at 07:54:50 GMT
This rule is inherent across the rules sets and has been copy pasted  to bkc4.
It states the score required to communicate will be 1 per full 10cm ie 1 upto 10cm, 2 up to 20 etc. Further on it states 1 is always a fail.
This doesn't make sence as you need a minimum or 2 for any distance up to 20cm.
Can anyone shed light on this. In the original concept from bkc1 days, if memory serves anything up to 10 cm was automatic.
Errata/ faq required.

IIRC, even in in BKC1, a roll of 1 on a d6 was always a fail.

[Steve J]

BKCII had quite a few changes from BKCI, but it's so long since I played the latter, so your example may have been superceded in BKCII. Hope this makes sense?

[Cross698]

Recce
[edit] Posted on 01 May 2019 at 07:54:50 GMT
This rule is inherent across the rules sets and has been copy pasted  to bkc4.
It states the score required to communicate will be 1 per full 10cm ie 1 upto 10cm, 2 up to 20 etc. Further on it states 1 is always a fail.
This doesn't make sence as you need a minimum or 2 for any distance up to 20cm.
Can anyone shed light on this. In the original concept from bkc1 days, if memory serves anything up to 10 cm was automatic.
Errata/ faq required.

BKCv2 a  - can RECCE up to 60 cm and a 1 was always a fail.

This is the same for Reconnoitre, but Communication is totally different in v4, still D6 but now has modifiers ;-
50 -60 cm add +2, 30 - 50 +1, 20 - 30 0, 0 - 20 -1, Higher ground -1, target is INF or Support Unit or Low profile -1

Spotted on Target in open 4+, Soft/Partial 5+ Hard cover 6 - and 1 is still a fail. Targets requiring a score of 7 or more cannot be spotted and this is for CV bonus.

[Big Insect]

In the Recce rules - a score of 1 to spot for communication (regardless of the distance involved) is always a fail.
There must be a possibility that the Recce might fail to communicate (radio failure, paper info lost on a desk, carrier pigeon eaten by hungry falcon etc.)

The additional factors come out of the Recce House Rules from CWC.

Many thanks

Mark

[vladvondrak]

You are still missing the point . It contradicts itself, it say you need a 1 at 10cm to succeed, then states 1s are always fails. The whole thing is ambiguous.

[Cross698]

You are still missing the point . It contradicts itself, it say you need a 1 at 10cm to succeed, then states 1s are always fails. The whole thing is ambiguous.

I understand what you mean, but 1 is always a fail, but it should be shown as
10 to 20 cm 2
20 to 30 cm 3
etc
But I just think that in RECCE as in Engineering a "1" is always a fail.

[Dr Dave]

I understand what you mean, but 1 is always a fail, but it should be shown as
10 to 20 cm 2
20 to 30 cm 3
etc
But I just think that in RECCE as in Engineering a "1" is always a fail.

No, shouldn't it be 0 - 20 cm 2 ?

[Cross698]

yes

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Nother niggle - the Grants in the British FE list are really Lee's - the British Army designated Lees as Grant MkIV.

[fred.]

No, shouldn't it be 0 - 20 cm 2 ?

The only time it matters is if there are modifiers, as a base of 1 with a -1 to the success (ie now needing a 2), still only fails on a roll of 1

Whereas if it is a base of 2 with a -1 modifier  you now fail on a 1 or 2

[Dr Dave]

Crystal!

I'll be sticking to bkc2 recce - simpler, quicker and faster. 

We've always played the comms were to any command unit in the formation anyway.

[fred.]

Pill boxes and Trenches - points

Looking at these two Field Defences, I'm a bit confused by the points difference between the two.

Trenches are 5pts, give a 5+ save, protect 1 infantry unit
Pill boxes, are 25pts, give a 5+ save, protect 1 infantry unit, have a 90º firing arc, and can only be attacked in this arc

It seems Trenches are much better value?

I do think this may well be a carry over from much earlier versions.

[Solo General]

Active vs. Inactive Player Question

BKC IV - Page 18 - Sequence of Play - Opening paragraph, 2nd sentence, states: "....current player being referred to as the Active Player and the opponent being the Inactive Player."
BKC IV - Page 18 - Sequence of Play - End Phase, 1st line: "Remove outstanding hits from all of the active player's units on the table."
BKC IV - Page 39 - Firing Example - 3rd paragraph from bottom, beginning with: "At the end of the turn, all outstanding hits are removed from play, so the two hits against the PZ-II are removed. It is still suppressed..."  In this case, the PZ II, hits are being removed from the Inactive Player's unit during the active player's End Phase.

The Firing Example was taken from BKC II and just about matches what is in BKC IV.

BKC II, Page 9 - Sequence of Play - End Phase, 1st line: "Remove outstanding hits from all units on the table."  It appears the wording was added in BKC IV with the words "of the active player."  Repeated on Page 36 BKC II "...remove outstanding hits..." and...Suppression markers from all units on the table..."

BKC IV - Page 56 - End Phase - 1st Paragraph, 2nd Sentence:  "Once the end phase is complete, your turn has ended and your opponent's turn will begin..."

Question: Do we leave both the hits and suppression markers on the Inactive Player's unit when the Active Player's End Phase ends as BKC IV directs?

One of our members spotted this and requested clarification. Thanks in advance for your answer.

[T-Square]

Yes, just remove hits and suppression markers from the active player's units only.

[flamingpig0]

Shouldn't there be an option for the Panzer iii oi have schurzen from 1943 ?

[Big Insect]

Happy to add an option for the Panzer iii to have schurzen from 1943 to the PDF list update - thanks

Hits and Suppression: This always confuses me, let alone anybody else ... but T Square is correct.

I was trying to think of a situation where either Hits or Suppression might be carried over to the next turn, but cannot contrive one. Even with Opportunity Fire or Response Fire or Initiative actions that occurs in the Active Players turn they all result in Hits and Suppression in the Active players turn..

[Dr Dave]

So just to clarify:
1. The active player fires his tank
2. in inactive player uses opportunity fire back
3. opp fire supresses the active players tank
4. the active player makes no more command rolls for that formation and his turn ends then
5. the active player removes his suppression - so the suppression has no effect?  :-

[Big Insect]

Ok

Page 21 in BKCII - "In game terms, units that become suppressed cannot do anything in their turn and suppressed command units may not issue any orders. Troops recover automatically from suppression at the end of their turn".

This is the same in CWC (Page 21)

This is the same in FWC (Page 23)

Page 36 in BKCIV - "In game terms, units that become suppressed cannot do anything in their turn and command units may only issue orders at a significant disadvantage. Troops recover automatically from suppression at the end of their turn".

So, aside from now allowing suppressed commanders to issue orders at a significant disadvantage (see Page 22, you get a -2 if your Commander is suppressed) there is no change to how this works between all 4 core sets of rules.

So back to your example:

"So just to clarify:
1. The active player fires his tank
2. in inactive player uses opportunity fire back
3. opp fire suppresses the active players tank
4. the active player makes no more command rolls for that formation and his turn ends then
5. the active player removes his suppression - so the suppression has no effect  ... "

No ...
1). it stops the suppressed tank from firing back at the tank that fired opportunity fire against it, in further turns in this game turn
2). it can no longer move to cover, in the remaining turns of this game turn

If however the scenario is altered slightly it looks like this:
1. The active player fires his tank and hits the inactive players tank and suppresses it (the inactive players tank now cannot opportunity fire)
2. The active player makes no more command rolls for that formation and his turn ends then
3. the active player removes his suppression, but the inactive players suppression remain
4. at the start of the previously inactive players turn, the previously suppressed tank remains suppressed and can therefore take no part in the next set of turns
5. at the end of the (now) Active players turn, the tank that was previously suppressed removes suppression.

Does all that make sense ... it is the way the Suppression mechanism has always worked

Cheers
Mark

[Dr Dave]

Yes. You're right. Just checked and that's how we play it anyway.

[Big Insect]

Wonderful 

Cheers

Mark