Hearts of Oak (well MDF...)

[Last Hussar]

So.... I have done a quick look at a Prussian 'Blucher' orbat for Leipzig.

It's looking do-able quite easy. As is the Swedish contingent.

Bugger... 

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Dont forget the huge British contribution - Rkt Troop

[Last Hussar]

Bugger

All of Prussia at Leipzig is 341 points, game is 300. I have a feeling with little effort I could do ALL of Leipzig at 1 stand = 4,000 infantry; Grand Scale in Blucher.

On the upside, might be easier to paint.

Russian unit = 4 bases each of 16

Prussian unit
Attached artillery, replace 1 base with cannon
'Mixed' - Attached cavalry, replace 1 base with 6 horses.

[fred.]

That sounds like a win

Get some dark blue paint ordered

[Last Hussar]

You're not helping,  you really aren't...

[Last Hussar]

What do we know about the Swedes of the period (the country, not the vegetable)?

Which of the major combatants would be the best Army list to base on? What am I looking for in the way of uniforms - I would direct the gentlemen here to the previously published link to the Walt's army lists.

[Orcs]

Extract below is from

https://www.napoleon-series.org/military-info/battles/1813/CentralGermany/leipzig/c_leipzigoob.html


Although sources disagree about the composition and strength of the Allied Army-Group, it is clear the Battle of Leipzig was the largest battle of the Napoleonic Wars. The website Armies, Battles, Commanders and Tactics during the Napoleonic Wars gives the Allies a general total of 273,000-396,000 men and 1,050-1,555 guns (120,000-196,000 men and 380-785 guns in the Army of Bohemia; 63,000-70,000 men and 310-360 guns in the Army of Silesia; 55,000-70,000 men and 225-275 guns in the Army of the North; 35,000-60,000 men and 135 guns in the Army of Poland; 35,000-60,000 men and 135-300 guns with detached formations). The Allied unit total� -- 454 battalions and 490 squadrons, excluding Swedish troops -- is broken down into 229 battalions and 234 squadrons (Russian) 115 battalions and 127 squadrons (Austrian) 110 battalions and 129 squadrons (Prussian). By nationality, the estimated 359,000 Allied troops at Leipzig were composed of 150,000 Russians, 115,000 Austrians, 75,000 Prussians and 19,000 Swedes.

[Orcs]

At 750 troops per battalion 110 battalions is 82,500. So you need 82 stands of infantry  totaling 164 strips or 13 packs.
Cavalry Squadrons were 100-140 men. or between 13,000 and 18,000 cavalry.
Four squadrons made up a regiment (plus one as depot) so a total of 32 regiments.   
So at this grand scale make each stand 2 squadrons. A regiment will be 2 bases (12 figs or 4 strips)
you need 64 stands of 2 strips so 128 strips or 11 packs.

So 24 packs would give you the main contingent. Just add Artillery I guess about £55

[Last Hussar]

Sorry, battalion? Oh, one of those minor components

Why would I muck about with minor manoeuvres? 4,000 men to a base for Blucher.

As mentioned above, with the proto-Prussian list I am working on, a typical Blucher unit for Prussia would be 2 stands infantry - 4 strips - 1 artillery piece with 4 crew, and 2 strips of 3 horse.

At this ratio I need about 30ish infantry Strips, 15ish guns, 30 cavalry strips for the infantry, plus 30 strips cavalry (15 stands) and  21 Artillery for 'just artillery'.

[sunjester]

Actually Orcs is right this time (when was the last time anyone said that?).

He did not say a unit was 1000 men, he said a stand is 1000 men. The last time I looked you were using 4 stands to a unit of 4000 men, so 1000 per stand. That's all infantry, of course, if you are adding in attached cavalry and/or artillery, you need less stands of infantry.

Perhaps you should have taken your socks off for the maths, rather than just rely on your fingers?

[Last Hussar]

Conflicted - Have I got to agree with Orcs? Even though he might actually be right?

       

[hammurabi70]

Extract below is from

https://www.napoleon-series.org/military-info/battles/1813/CentralGermany/leipzig/c_leipzigoob.html


Although sources disagree about the composition and strength of the Allied Army-Group, it is clear the Battle of Leipzig was the largest battle of the Napoleonic Wars. The website Armies, Battles, Commanders and Tactics during the Napoleonic Wars gives the Allies a general total of 273,000-396,000 men and 1,050-1,555 guns (120,000-196,000 men and 380-785 guns in the Army of Bohemia; 63,000-70,000 men and 310-360 guns in the Army of Silesia; 55,000-70,000 men and 225-275 guns in the Army of the North; 35,000-60,000 men and 135 guns in the Army of Poland; 35,000-60,000 men and 135-300 guns with detached formations). The Allied unit total� -- 454 battalions and 490 squadrons, excluding Swedish troops -- is broken down into 229 battalions and 234 squadrons (Russian) 115 battalions and 127 squadrons (Austrian) 110 battalions and 129 squadrons (Prussian). By nationality, the estimated 359,000 Allied troops at Leipzig were composed of 150,000 Russians, 115,000 Austrians, 75,000 Prussians and 19,000 Swedes.

Are the British included with the Swedes?

[Last Hussar]

I'm using a different site, and the Rocket battery is listed at the bottom of the Swedes, last thing in the list

http://napoleonistyka.atspace.com/Allies_Order_of_Battle_LEIPZIG_1.htm#_Swedish_Corps

[FierceKitty]

Conflicted - Have I got to agree with Orcs? Even though he might actually be right?

       

Wasn't it Cicero who said "I'd rather be wrong with Socrates than right with Pythagoras"?

[Last Hussar]

I'd rather be wrong with Sunjester than right with Orcs! 🤣🤣

(Sorry Orcs)

[fsn]

Where were the 2/73rd at the time? I know they were in Germany somewhere.

[Orcs]

I'd rather be wrong with Sunjester than right with Orcs! 🤣🤣

(Sorry Orcs)

Unfortunately for you that is not an option here, as Sunjester agreed with me, so that make both of us right and you wrong. So you have to be wrong on your own

[Last Hussar]

       

[Orcs]

By The way - Have you ordered the Prussians yet? 

[steve_holmes_11]

By The way - Have you ordered the Prussians yet? 

Very keen on "following orders", those lads.