Aztec warfare queries

[GrumpyOldMan]

Hello

For the Quetzalcoatl I was thinking of a Brass Naga figurine with the wings from the Pendraken Dungeon Elder Thing:-

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hindu-Amulet-Statue-Small-Antique-Brass-Gold-Tone-Naga-figurine-Good-Luck-Gift/263560871560





Cheers

GrumpyOldMan

[Terry37]

GMan, I really like the figure, but for HOTT he is too small to make a very convincing Dragon. A Dragon figure is mounted on a 40 by 60 MM base and I am afraid he'd just be too lost on it. However, those wings look perfect for adding to some kind of snake or dragon body so I will have to get a set of them. Thanks for that heads up!!!

Terry

[GrumpyOldMan]

Hi

If you're after bigger then you can look at the Schleich and Mojo snakes

Schleich



Approx. 5.9 x 4 x 3.4 cm (LWH)

Mojo



Approx. 6.5 x 6 x 3.2 cm (LWH)

They both work out as about 4 quid here in Australia. Might need bigger wings though .

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan

[toxicpixie]

I am likely to have the same problem Toxicpixie. I still have some projects from my painting service to complete (which, in theory, I retired from last year !!) as well as the last couple of minor forces for my RCW project.

It all depends on whether I then do these or finish one of three part-finished jobs, do the terrain I need for WW1 & RCW or get one of the unstarted projects out of the cupboard.

In truth I need a new project like I need a hole in the head - but that never stops me starting them, finishing them is a whole different board game.

Tony

Amen to that

Those Schleich etc snakes are great! Keep an eye out on the Pound Stores as well - they often have useful animals or dragons or other figures. They had some excellent massive Romans a couple of years ago who are now giants  for my D&D game

[Ithoriel]

Apologies, my Google-fu has clearly been weak of late. Knew I'd seen this somewhere but couldn't remember who made it!

https://www.alternative-armies.com/collections/monsters-and-creatures/products/vnt27-coatl-winged-serpent

Eight quid gets you one, and twenty one quid gets you three, of these ...

[Glorfindel]

This thread led to some furious searching of the net for winged serpents / coatl / couatl
etc...

I found this from Reaper Miniatures.   :

https://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/couatl/latest/14459


I am quite pleased with it but don't know if it will be big enough (I'm sure I've heard that
before somewhere  )



Phil

[Terry37]

Ah Phil!!! That is absolutely perfect and I will be ordering him right away. Also love the coloring and will use that as my guide! At the 6.99 price that tells me he is made for 15 MM scale and that is a plus too!

Guess I'll be starting a new army here, but they can be a perfect army to fight my 16th century Spanish!  

Thank you!!!!

Terry

[TinyTinTroops]

Amazing how a thread can morph into an entirely different search and be more successful than the original !!!

I think I might have found some archers to work with - at least some that are worth a try.

Pendraken's own Indian hillmen - a bowman and a javelin man that can (I hope) be concerted to atlatl. Old figures so may not be up to the same standard as the new sculpts.

Also some Old Kingdom Egyptian bowmen from Magister Militum.

No luck yet with any in quilted top though.

Thanks for all the help

Tony

[Terry37]

This thread has renewed my interest in these very colorful fellows that I enjoyed about 12 years ago. I have started digging out my old references and re-reading them for my doing the HOTT Aztec army. I have the figures so that's no problem and found the great one for the Quetzalcoatl figure, so I'm all set there.

Just some observations after a day's review of my old references. The colors although bright, at least in the Mendoza Codex are not the brightest shades. For example, the yellow looks more ocher and the red is a darker red - not a Santa Claus red, etc. The blue is a sky blue however, but maybe even more like the Vallejo dark sky blue. So we have to ask is that due to the paints the codex was done with or was that how they looked. We'll never know until a workable time machine is available, so you can take what ever path you want regarding the hue of the colors you use. Just FYI, I plan to follow the darker tones.

Also, specific shield patterns, at least based on the various codex were associated with certain suits worn by different suit warriors. The same seems to be true for back banners also.

I wanted to share my great source find back then, but when trying to access it my anti-virus programs came up flashing bright red, so thanks to some moron with nothing better to do than deny others a great resource, I am not able to share it.
I did print everything off  back when I was doing my research, and wish I could share it easily, but I am talking maybe a hundred plus pages of material. However, if anyone wants some specific data I will try to assist if I can.

I will also recommend that by studying the various codices you can match suits to shield patterns,and the colors various suits were made in for accuracy. here are a couple that I have and find useful.

https://www.amazon.com/Codex-Mendoza-Aztec-manuscript-Commentaries/dp/B000NW3G4M/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1524244695&sr=1-4&keywords=codex+mendoza

https://www.amazon.com/Codex-Borgia-Full-Color-Restoration-Manuscript/dp/0486275698/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1524244695&sr=1-2&keywords=codex+mendoza

I am so caught up in this project that I may move it up in the painting queue and get started on it?

Terry

[Glorfindel]

>>Ah Phil!!! That is absolutely perfect and I will be ordering him right away.

Really pleased that it fits the bill.   

I love the look of this model (the paint job is also superb) but just hope it
is the right size.   You'll have to let us know what you think.


Phil

[toxicpixie]

From the price and piccy and Reapers usual scaling I think it's about a large 28mm figure; should look spot on for a massive monster in an army of 15's

I'm tempted by the AA one for MAXIMUM HUGENESS but as I'm not even anywhere near getting my Aztecs into the queue let alone onto sticks I think not.

[Glorfindel]

>>From the price and piccy and Reapers usual scaling I think it's about a large 28mm figure


That sounds perfect - I really think this would make a fantastic addition to a Lizardmen army,
(with Carnosaur stats), particularly with the eye-catching colours.

I think I still have an old Lizardmen hero - will have to dig it out.   Our group play Warmaster
fairly regularly and I was lucky enough to buy quite a few Lizards when they came out.



Phil

[toxicpixie]

My Warmaster is all Pendraken

Which has reminded me, as a gateway to Aztecs I should have gotten *Dragon* not Lion Rampant, I could have straight tontable with that. And then miffic Aztecs with feathered serpents and wierd "eyes where the nostrils should be" monkey-puma things and flying Eagle Knights!

[Terry37]

Phil, I will indeed let you know how the figure works, but you're right - at a 28 MM size figure he makes for a great dragon in 15 MM. The allowed base size for a Dragon in HOTT is a 40 x 60 MM and he looks like he'll fit that fine. I also plan to use that paint job as the reference for painting him because I agree, it looks the part!

It's already been shipped, so I hope to have it this coming week and ill take a picture for you all to see.

Terry

[Terry37]

Darn this thread !!!    Now I have a whole new army to paint! I have finished working up my army list and have sorted through all of my left over Mesoamericans and have come up with the following army.


1 x Blade – General @ 2 AP                                                          2 pts
1 x Flyer – Eagle Warriors @ 2 AP                                       2 pts
1 x Beast – Jaguar Warriors @ 2 AP                            2 pts
2 x Blades – Suit Warriors @ 2 AP                                                4 pts
2 x Warband – Cuachiqueh and Otomi @ 2 AP                          4 pts
2 x Shooter – Bow/ Atlatl/ Slingers @ 2 AP                                4 pts
2 x Horde – 0 to 1 Captive Warriors @ 1 AP                               2 pts
1 x Dragon – Quetzalcoatl @ 4 AP                                                4 pts
Total                                                                                                  24 pts

I had everything but the figure for Quetzalcoatl, and Phil solved that one for me - THANKS Phil! I have received the figure, but it will be difficult to photograph him until I go to put him together . I tried setting him up for a picture but could not make the wings or the head stay in place, so will have to do it after I start working on the army. I will say it is a very nice figure and quite detailed. The metal is hard and stiff so allows for little modification, but he looks great the way he comes, and fits the base perfectly but I will have to modify the basing from the one supplied to make him fit lower on the base.

Terry