ECW project using For King and Parliament

[paulr]

Our order has been cast and cut

It will soon be winging its way to the antipodes 

[paulr]

Our order has been collected by the courier 

From their tracking site, "We have your parcel and it's on its way to you"

[Bunny]

I've finally settled on version 10 of the orders of battle

I've made good progress on coat colours and some progress on researching flags

Would you be soi kind as to share the uniform and, if possible, the flags 

Thank you

[pierre the shy]

Paul might have some specific information about Cheriton (the action he is basing his forces on) but the BCW project wiki is a very good starting point for ECW uniforms and flags:
http://wiki.bcw-project.org/

For a detailed description of English and Scots ECW era flags try the PDF download in the first post in this thread:   
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,16141.0.html

Cheers
Peter

[paulr]

Once I've pulled all the various bits of 'progress' together I'll happily share
That may unfortunately take a while...

[Techno]

Come on.....You haven't posted any photo's for at least two days, now. 

Cheers - Phil

[paulr]

Finishing off my AWI project, hopefully in time for a show in August, Call to Arms

Preparing a WWI scenario to mark the centenary next month of the "Affair of Abu Tellul" in the Jordon Valley

WWII Merchant ships in the painting queue, will have to check with Pierre the Shy how many I need to do for a show in August, Call to Arms

Researching ECW uniforms and flags

Waiting patiently for our ECW order
It has been "30 May 2018 07:32    Warrington    Your parcel has been collected from our Appleton depot and signed for by SLOUGH" for some time now
It is interesting how expectations have changed, it used to take months for surface mail from the UK to NZ, now a few days delay in tracking updates is

Plotting the future of the Osmanli Empire of Malsama, 1689

Finding time to do an AAR of our last AWI game

Apart from that, I'll get right onto more pictures Phil

Really enjoying our multifaceted hobby

[pierre the shy]

WWII Merchant ships in the painting queue, will have to check with Pierre the Shy how many I need to do for a show in August, Call to Arms :-

You don't need any for CTA, already working on the convoy stuff 

[paulr]

  That's one thing that can move down my To Do list a little then

I'm still looking forward to painting them

[paulr]

My 'uniform' research for this project continues

Probably the biggest area of challenge is coat colours for units of Horse
Apart from a few well known exceptions there appears to be no information on coat colours

I have seen a couple of comments to the effect that unit coat colours were less common / obvious for Horse units due to troops who can afford to provide a horse providing their own clothes / the ubiquitous buff coat covering most of the coat. Any thoughts or feedback

I also have a few specific questions about the Royalists at Cheriton (Parliament's questions after I've waded through the information I have for them)

Foot
Sir Thomas Blackwall - design on the flag
Colonel Stephen Hawkins / Sir Ralph Dutton - Flag colour & designs (White coats)
Colonel Matthew Appleyard /Sir Charles Vavasour - Flag colour & designs (Yellow coats)

One option for foot units where I don't know the flag design is to use the Colonel's (plain colour) and Lt-Colonel's (plain colour with cross of St George) but I would prefer to have 'busier' flags as they look more interesting

Horse
Coat, flag colour & design
 Colonel Richard Manning / Colonel Charles Finch
 Sir Henry Bard
 Colonel Andrew Lindsey / Lyndsey
 Sir Edmond Pierce
 The Marquis of Hertford / William Seymour
 Sir Allan Apsley
 Sir Edward Ford

Coat & flag design
 Colonel Thomas Howard (green flag) / Lord Andover
 Sir Humphrey Bennet (red flag)
 Sir Edward Waldegrave (white flag) / Colonel Nathaniel Heveningham
 Colonel Gunter (black flag)
 Sir Edward Stawell (white flag)
 Sir William Clerke (yellow flag)
 Colonel Dutton Fleetwood (red flag) / Sir William Campion

Coat colour
 Colonel Richard Neville (red flag) / Earl of Caernarvon
 Sir George Vaughan (blue flag)
 Lord Hopton (red flag)
 Lord John Stuart (red flag) / Earl of Cleveland
 Sir Nicholas Crispe (white flag)

Any information appreciated

[d_Guy]

Hi Paul,

Doubt I can add anything, particularly since I don't do much south of the border. Maybe I can get the ball rolling however.

I use very generic harquibusers for much of the cavalry, always in full sleeved buff coats (various shades), lobster tailed pot helms (black or steel), many with front plates (usually steel to show up), a few with back plates (steel, ibid). These can be any unit, on any side, any time. Their cornets are highly generic but with various two-color hashed borders to give a period look.

I have been all over the place with infantry flags but for English and Anglo/Irish I use the Lt. Col.  color  (St. George cross in the canton) and then one of the captain's colors (same as Lt. Col. but with various numbers of devices - balls, stars, lozenges, etc).

Unless a unit is famous for its coats (Newcastle's whitecoats comes to mind) I don't worry over much. I do think that most men in a foot unit had the same color coat (blue, green, red) so similarity is good (realizing one year they might wear blue and the next, red). I also think, particularly early war, mufti is your friend. 😀

I figure Mollinary, et. al. will be along with more specific info on Cheriton.

[mollinary]

Cannot help, unfortunately. Info on these subjects is notoriously patchy during the ECW, and this campaign is particularly obscure. As d'Guy says, going with full sleeved buff coats, of various hues, is a pretty good route to go down for horse regiments. So, I would go with whatever colours you think look good!

[paulr]

Thanks d_Guy & Mollinary, I suspected there wouldn't be much more information available but "no harm in asking"

It looks like Hawkins will have white flags and Appleyard yellow. They and Blackwall will have the Colonels and Lt-Colonels colours

Buff coats it will be for the Horse with generic hash bordered cornets, at least I know the colour for a reasonable number of the regiments and devices for some

If anyone does happen to have any information on any of the units above it will be gratefully received

[Subedai]

My 'uniform' research for this project continues

Probably the biggest area of challenge is coat colours for units of Horse
Apart from a few well known exceptions there appears to be no information on coat colours

I have seen a couple of comments to the effect that unit coat colours were less common / obvious for Horse units due to troops who can afford to provide a horse providing their own clothes / the ubiquitous buff coat covering most of the coat. Any thoughts or feedback :-

I also have a few specific questions about the Royalists at Cheriton (Parliament's questions after I've waded through the information I have for them)

Foot
Sir Thomas Blackwall - design on the flag
Colonel Stephen Hawkins / Sir Ralph Dutton - Flag colour & designs (White coats)
Colonel Matthew Appleyard /Sir Charles Vavasour - Flag colour & designs (Yellow coats)

One option for foot units where I don't know the flag design is to use the Colonel's (plain colour) and Lt-Colonel's (plain colour with cross of St George) but I would prefer to have 'busier' flags as they look more interesting

Horse
Coat, flag colour & design
 Colonel Richard Manning / Colonel Charles Finch
 Sir Henry Bard
 Colonel Andrew Lindsey / Lyndsey
 Sir Edmond Pierce
 The Marquis of Hertford / William Seymour
 Sir Allan Apsley
 Sir Edward Ford

Coat & flag design
 Colonel Thomas Howard (green flag) / Lord Andover
 Sir Humphrey Bennet (red flag)
 Sir Edward Waldegrave (white flag) / Colonel Nathaniel Heveningham
 Colonel Gunter (black flag)
 Sir Edward Stawell (white flag)
 Sir William Clerke (yellow flag)
 Colonel Dutton Fleetwood (red flag) / Sir William Campion

Coat colour
 Colonel Richard Neville (red flag) / Earl of Caernarvon
 Sir George Vaughan (blue flag)
 Lord Hopton (red flag)
 Lord John Stuart (red flag) / Earl of Cleveland
 Sir Nicholas Crispe (white flag)

Any information appreciated

Don't know whether you have seen this but I Googled Sir Allan Apsleys standard and this came up.

http://wiki.bcw-project.org/start

It seems to have most units covered including a lot I have never heard of.

[paulr]

Thanks, BCW is one of the sources I've used (Thanks d_Guy) It has a lot of useful information

Their information for Sir Allan Apsley's Horse is
Flag Colour    Unknown
Flag Design    Unknown

They don't even mention coat colour for most Horse regiments