German Army, Eastern Front 41-45 & Soviets

[vonlacy]

Please could you look at adding:

Combat Pioneers: AP 4/10 AT 2/10 Fierce and relentless

Volksgrenadier: AP 2/30 AT 6/10 Fragile

Pz 747

Souma S35

Just a note KV1 is marked as lumbering in the Soviet lists but not on the Finish lists. Can we get rid of the lumbering status?

Missing off the soviet list 1941-1944 are:

KV1E

KV8 Flamethrower

OT-34

Lend lease Shermans

[sediment]

Interesting suggestions.

Couple of questions.

Pz 747 - any reason why this would be different to the T34-76 stats in the Russian lists or is it just to add for completeness?

Similarly, the S35, is it any different to an S35 in French service.  I wasn't aware of the Germans up-armouring or re-gunning them.

Cheers, Andy

[vonlacy]

Just adding them for completeness as we tend to have a list for the German players and a list for the Soviet players, without having to find items in other lists.

[barbarian]

I really really don't like the special rules. I feel they are useless.

[vonlacy]

Forgot to add CA.

Combat Pioneers: AP 4/10 AT 2/10 CA 6 Fierce and relentless

Volksgrenadier: AP 2/30 AT 6/10 CA 2 Fragile

Like you Barbarian I feel the special rules can be built into the lists i.e. Volksgrenadier 4 hits.

[barbarian]

Is there an option for Goliath use for the engineers ? Something like a unique action with a huge boom.

[ronan]

Is there an option for Goliath use for the engineers ? Something like a unique action with a huge boom.

Was it really efficient ? I've read they were not very reliable.

[sediment]

In BKC2 there was a whole section on remote demolition vehicles ranging from the Goliath through to Tiger Is.

Cheers, Andy

[ronan]

yes, you're right ! I totally forgot these   
( and a simple table ask for a die to check the result. It's a specific rule, but it's not commonly used, so it's ok for me)

[Ithoriel]

I use Goliaths regularly in my BKC games.

So far I only have Sdkfz251's as "motherships" but I have a StuG and a Tiger I waiting to be painted.

To be fair they are usually more useful as a threat than in use!

[petercooman]

Is there an option for Goliath use for the engineers ? Something like a unique action with a huge boom.

p111 of the eastern front list states that you can buy remote controlled equipment for your engineers.

p 51 at the bottom explains the remote controlled equpment.

Once per battle they can send it against the closest enemy unit (must be within tactical doctrine range), 12 attack dice but hits on a 6 only.

[Ithoriel]

p111 of the eastern front list states that you can buy remote controlled equipment for your engineers.

p 51 at the bottom explains the remote controlled equipment.

Once per battle they can send it against the closest enemy unit (must be within tactical doctrine range), 12 attack dice but hits on a 6 only.

Which seems bizarre to me.

The thing is vulnerable to enemy fire and not always reliable in detonation but if it gets to the target it is likely to be devastating. An average of 2 hits per explosion sounds a little underwhelming.

Also, known maximum range is approx. 650 metres (the length of the control wires) what has tactical doctrine got to do with it?.

Why a single attack? The engineers would have several vehicles.

[barbarian]

We need to think about its tactical use : against fortified position.

Maybe only useable against defended position ? against occupied BUA ?

[Ithoriel]

They were used against fortifications, AT gun nests, infantry concentrations, individual tanks and minefields, at least.

There should probably be a limited number of uses but one-off seems a little harsh. How about you can either have 3 uses or D6 uses - "Do you feel lucky? Well, do ya , punk?"

[petercooman]

Which seems bizarre to me.

The thing is vulnerable to enemy fire and not always reliable in detonation but if it gets to the target it is likely to be devastating. An average of 2 hits per explosion sounds a little underwhelming.

Also, known maximum range is approx. 650 metres (the length of the control wires) what has tactical doctrine got to do with it?.

Why a single attack? The engineers would have several vehicles.

They van use it the entire battle to do engineering actions without being in base contact. So remote demolitions. They van only use it once per battle to Attack enemy troops.

Maybe tactics doctrine represents flexible troops sending some personnel ahead to operate, and rigid means everyone goes together?